The comprehensive Ronaldo thread

Glorio said:
Wow ... I thought they worshipped him unconditionally there :eek:
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At the end of the day, they want the world cup more than want Ronaldo. He's holding them back. He also becomes petulant every time he can't perform, trying to divert attention.
 
Even Portugal manager hitting out saying he didn’t like Ronaldo’s reaction to being substituted. Ronaldo really does want the world to hate him. :lol:
 
Santoryo said:
Exactly. Ronaldo is one of the greatest goal scorer of all time but conversation for greatest footballer of all time? Nah, he's not in that space, those are conversations Messi belongs in not Ronaldo.

People have been conflating greatest goal scorer and footballer which the former is what Ronaldo is.
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Objectively speaking, anyone who won 5 Ballon D’ors (+ another 6 times as runners up) will be in conversation.
 
genardk said:
Ronaldo should have at least one less with FIFA extending the voting deadline (the one and only time in Ballon D'or's history) due to Ronaldo scoring a hat-trick against Sweden.. Daylight robbery.. The guy did not even win a single cup that year with Real..

"'The decision has been viewed in Spain as a ploy to favour Cristiano Ronaldo over other leading contenders such as Lionel Messi, Franck Ribery..."
" You do not need to be a genius to see that this decision to extend the voting period for the FIFA Ballon d'Or benefits CR7."

www.espn.com/soccer/news/story/_/id/1621866/fifa-extend-ballon-dor-voting-deadline-%E2%80%93-report
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The timing of voting was indeed abit controversial, but individually he did score more goals than Messi+Ribery combined over that year though, even though they are all playing as wing forward.

2013
Ronaldo: 69 goals + 15 assists
Messi: 45 goals + 16 assists
Ribery: 22 goals + 18 assists
 
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Glorio said:
I'd choose the United version of Ronaldo over the Madrid version any day.
I remember watching some video of some of his performances and memories came rushing back. Personally I think he'd have ended up a better, more rounded human being if he stayed at United

Edit: Obviously I'm talking about the first stint. The second stint was a massive mistake
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His first 2/3 seasons at Madrid were actually quite similar to the Ronaldo at United, it wasn't till the first UCL win under Ancelotti that he became Ronaldo the machine.
 
I expect him to score today (in a 3-1 loss) and be proclaimed the comeback king on social media
 
Jeppers7 said:
Ridiculously selective, you’ve struggled to mention any individual more than once, with Rooney making it twice due to a hat trick v Fenerbache in a CL group game and a league game against Arsenal. I’d add Rooneys goals against Newcastle and City by the way, with the City one probably the best united goal I’ve seen. However, and this is the big problem….other than the league cup I can’t think of a single trophy that Rooney was the key player in us winning, ala Hughes or Bruce’s headers, Keane v Juve…that legitimately were crucial to the eventual winning of a major trophy. Whereas Cantona and Ronaldo not only won us individual games but did it with such regularity and with enough moments of individual brilliance that they were THE key player in those successes.

I’ve took a few moments from each season, if some of these don’t match a goal against Arsenal in October or two headers v Sheffield weds then I think that’s on you :-


03/04 fa cup run 2 goals 3 assists in 5 games, goal at home to city in cup. Opener in final. Outstanding in semi final and final. MOTM and player of the season.

04/05 Arsenal 4 2 game 2 goals. FA Cup run 6 games 4 goals 3 assists. Outstanding in final.

05/06 goal in league cup final

06/07 Reading goal 1-0 down. Dragged us back into the game. Form from nov to march 13 league goals 5 assists, Xmas period where scored 2 goals in 3 consecutive league games where we were struggling 5/6 MOTM awards and player of the month. Fulham away winner. City away winner the goal that ultimately won the league. Ronaldo’s outstanding form throughout the season the catalyst

07/08 CL group stages 5 goals, winning goal v Lyon, opener away to Roma unbelievable header, only goal in final. 2 goals at home to Blackburn in 2-0 win, 2 goals at home to Fulham in 2-0 win, 2 goals at home to Everton in 2-1 win, Portsmouth home 2 goals in 2-0 win including THAT free kick, Derby away only goal in 1-0 win, Bolton 2 goals in 2-0 win, Villa home genius goal Cruyff flick and 3 assists in 4-0 win, Arsenal 2-1 equaliser from spot. Pressure kick had to take it twice. West Ham home crucial game put us 2-0 up with 2 goals in first 20 mins to kill game. Won 4-0. Reading crucial penalty at 0-0 to win us the league.

08/09 That goal at Porto, Those two goals away at Arsenal in semi, 2 goals in that Villa game, equaliser got us back in before Macheda winner, 2 goals in ten mins v spurs to get one back then put us ahead
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Read my post again…it’s my opinion…I’m entitled to be selective and to subjectively think certain moments were my greatest United memories and certain other moments were not….

Your post only points out that he was, in parts, very important and excellent for us…which I have not doubted or disagreed with at all.

what I do think is that due to his stature and career and achievements away from Utd, some fans remember his time with us with more weight than they did the first time round. The guy was amazing, scoring for fun and yes, coming up with important goals. The topic was “greatest Utd memories” which some other guy mentioned in his post…I personally have very few great memories involving Ronaldo. Where’s the controversy?

With regard to a list of players providing the most “great moments” all I said was that it would make a good thread…and that perhaps Ronaldo would not feature as prominently as his reputation among some Utd fans might suggest he should (GOAT and all that). I didn’t compare his record to anyone else’s - so not sure why you’re responding with such energy to something I wasn’t talking about.

when I have time I’ll do a list for a few other players and actually see where Ronny fits for me. Until then, just wanted to make sure you weren’t taking my silence as an acceptance that you actually made a valid point.
 
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captaincantona said:
Read my post again…it’s my opinion…I’m entitled to be selective and to subjectively think certain moments were my greatest United memories and certain other moments were not….

Your post only points out that he was, in parts, very important and excellent for us…which I have not doubted or disagreed with at all.

what I do think is that due to his stature and career and achievements away from Utd, some fans remember his time with us with more weight than they did the first time round. The guy was amazing, scoring for fun and yes, coming up with important goals. The topic was “greatest Utd memories” which some other guy mentioned in his post…I personally have very few great memories involving Ronaldo. Where’s the controversy?

With regard to a list of players providing the most “great moments”
…and that perhaps Ronaldo would not feature as prominently as his reputation among some Utd fans might suggest he should (GOAT and all that). I didn’t compare his record to anyone else’s - so not sure why you’re responding with such energy to something I wasn’t talking about.

when I have time I’ll do a list for a few other players and actually see where Ronny fits for me. Until then, just wanted to make sure you weren’t taking my silence as an acceptance that you actually made a valid point.
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captaincantona said:
I would definitely say he is a footnote in our history… a bloody good footnote to have but I am 40 years old…and hand on heart…very few or any of my greatest Utd moments involve Ronaldo. That’s ok isn’t it? When asked honestly to provide a list of really great Ronny moments people struggled to get past 5 or six and those included a couple of goals that were exceptional but surely would not make it into your top greatest utd moments.

for me for example sparky winning us the cup winners agains Barca, Bruce’s header…Eric’s volley to win the FA cup against the scouse…Turin…the Camp Nou…Jesus our comeback when 3-0 down to spurs…lads it’s spurs…winning the league 3 times in a row…Rooneys debut and the feeling that he was gonna score every time he touched the ball…beating the invincibles -Wayne Rooney again!…winning the double with youth players…Roy Keane being Roy Keane every single fuking game…some of the more recent wins against City and Pool even.

are they legitimately great Utd moments? If so what’s the problem? None of them were down to Ronny. Why is that “odd”?

for me he has the screamer in Porto…the really important one against Fulham was a cometh the hour kind of goal…and his header in the final is kinda cancelled out for me by his penalty miss.

I struggle after that. I sometimes think people mix up his incredible and unparalleled ability and career in general with his time with Utd. His time with Utd was very frustrating at least 50% of the time…then he did his thing and fuked off. Nothing there for me and I think I’ve made my case quite convincingly tbh.
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A few points…..

firstly you said it’s your opinion and then stated ‘When asked honestly to provide a list of really great Ronny moments people struggled to get past 5 or six’. Well that’s other peoples opinions that you’re bringing in there isn’t it? So then it’s not your subjective opinion is it.

Secondly picking some random moments that didn’t include Ronaldo doesn’t mean that Steve Bruce headers, winning the FA Cup or Wayne Rooney diving for a pen and scoring a tap in were more ‘united moments’ than Ronaldo scoring crucial goals to win us leagues away at City and Wigan, scoring the first and putting on a Masterclass in an FA Cup final win as a teenager, being majestic in CL games such as away in Roma or Porto, or that destroying Arsenal away from home in a CL semi isn’t far more a ‘united moment’ than beating them at home in a league game in October. You mention comebacks but no mention of epic comebacks that Ronaldo led….lads it’s Spurs, Villa, Arsenal. Roy Keane every fecking game? How about Ronaldo every fecking game in 07/08…42 goals, his league goals won us 21 points on there own, won us the league and he scored the only goal in the CL final for us, but of course that doesn’t count because he missed a penalty, funnily enough for you key penalties he scored that won us leagues don’t count either. Individually he won the golden boot, player of the league, our player of the year and is one of only four united players to win the balon dor. In addition to that season, the season before and after he was also crucial in us winning the league three times in a row, but perhaps that time we won three in a row wasn’t memorable for you? Perhaps it was more memorable the three seasons after he left where we won one league title and a league cup and not three league titles, the CL, the world club cup and a league cup?

Thirdly, what case did you feel you’d made quite convincingly then? The case that you don’t remember any Ronaldo ‘united moments’ as highly as some random league wins against Liverpool or City in mediocre seasons for united? Great point well made.

(Good luck finding any player with a list of more standout moments and crucial goals that gave United fans successful moments to enjoy than Ronaldo, I’ll keep waiting for you to invalidate my point)
 
When it comes to being talked about decades after you finish playing it’s as much about how loved you were as to how many people will back you as the greatest…tiger prob won’t beat jacks record and yet he’s liked enough (and good enough) to always be in the chat by the majority who don’t really know the stats….Tyson doesn’t have the love that Ali had and it defo hurts him in those discussions…legacy isn’t just stats and ronaldo for me played so many cards wrong away from the pitch it’s just abit of a shame for me…far fewer will be so eager to throw his name about long after he’s retired.
 
Would be a big balls move from Santos to actually bench Ronaldo, one that might make me revisit my opinion on their chances this world cup... If Santos actually does that, then I think they can go all the way. Though a lot would depend on Ronaldo also just not wreaking havoc being benched, and we all know how that goes..
 
Dropped for club and now country. The beginning of the end. I'd feel bad if he wasn't such a delusional cnut.
 
Even though he was awful in the previous game, he’d probably have retained his place if he’d accepted being substituted. This is quite a sad end to his career.
 
Holy shit I didn't see that coming. Alright Portugal has shot up my favourites to win now.
 
Jeppers7 said:
A few points…..

firstly you said it’s your opinion and then stated ‘When asked honestly to provide a list of really great Ronny moments people struggled to get past 5 or six’. Well that’s other peoples opinions that you’re bringing in there isn’t it? So then it’s not your subjective opinion is it.

Secondly picking some random moments that didn’t include Ronaldo doesn’t mean that Steve Bruce headers, winning the FA Cup or Wayne Rooney diving for a pen and scoring a tap in were more ‘united moments’ than Ronaldo scoring crucial goals to win us leagues away at City and Wigan, scoring the first and putting on a Masterclass in an FA Cup final win as a teenager, being majestic in CL games such as away in Roma or Porto, or that destroying Arsenal away from home in a CL semi isn’t far more a ‘united moment’ than beating them at home in a league game in October. You mention comebacks but no mention of epic comebacks that Ronaldo led….lads it’s Spurs, Villa, Arsenal. Roy Keane every fecking game? How about Ronaldo every fecking game in 07/08…42 goals, his league goals won us 21 points on there own, won us the league and he scored the only goal in the CL final for us, but of course that doesn’t count because he missed a penalty, funnily enough for you key penalties he scored that won us leagues don’t count either. Individually he won the golden boot, player of the league, our player of the year and is one of only four united players to win the balon dor. In addition to that season, the season before and after he was also crucial in us winning the league three times in a row, but perhaps that time we won three in a row wasn’t memorable for you? Perhaps it was more memorable the three seasons after he left where we won one league title and a league cup and not three league titles, the CL, the world club cup and a league cup?

Thirdly, what case did you feel you’d made quite convincingly then? The case that you don’t remember any Ronaldo ‘united moments’ as highly as some random league wins against Liverpool or City in mediocre seasons for united? Great point well made.

(Good luck finding any player with a list of more standout moments and crucial goals that gave United fans successful moments to enjoy than Ronaldo, I’ll keep waiting for you to invalidate my point)
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Well Jeppers…that’s the point…you don’t seem to accept that I have a different opinion…as usual. I gave my opinion based on a number of posters saying he was responsible for some of their greatest Utd memories….I genuinely have different great memories and questioned whether - aside from the ones I agreed with, if there were many more. And the response just named the same few….now you have tried to expand on that but only succeeded - as I said before - in recounting the fact he was great for us for a few seasons. A point I never disputed.

look man, Keep getting energised by people who legitimately don’t agree with you. I’ll get back to you …but not to invalidate your point…just to show you that you took me up wrong and as usual are on a crusade.
 
Anyway, will be interesting to see his reaction if Portugal score…I know he has an ego but surely seeing your country progress in a World Cup is more important than him starting having just played almost a full game just days ago. If he doesn’t join in with any celebrations that might occur…well he really is doing some lasting damage to his legacy.
 
Santos knows he has nothing to lose now. Ronaldo is done after this tournament so who cares, no more pandering to his antics. He’s a burden.
 
Why has Ronaldo been benched??

I saw the thing about him shushing an opposition player but these things happen every match… what am I missing
 
Surprised he isn't already on his private jet flying home in a tantrum. But I guess he's still hoping he can leach a world cup medal.
 
Thoughts with Piers at this difficult time
 
I’m worried. This is the day that Santos gave Ronaldo a chance of winning the World Cup.
 
Can't wait for the interview. Can't believe they've disrespected him like this. He was so good like what, 3 or4 years ago? Disgusting.

Good job he's got loads of clubs lining up to sign him as a free agent to console him.
 
This guy just doesn't understand and its hard for him to accept that he's not "that guy" anymore and right now he's in a complete denial.
 
It's petty but I'm now tempted to tune in for kick off just to see his face
 
Get ready for what will probably be the best player-manager performance of all times. Or at least since that 2016 EURO final game in which he also pretended to lead the team from the sidelines.
 
Interview with Piers Morgan being conducted on Zoom as we speak. "Santos has disrespected me."
 
This isn't going to sit well with Piers.

If Santos won't even start him for a knockout game, there isn't a good team out there that will take him on with his expectation to start. Needs to take the 200 mil a season and enjoy a life he has earned.
 
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