@Pat_Mustard and @Physiocrat stop being so damn cordial, otherwise Edgar will think we've gone soft.
The Americas Draft
- Thread starter Chesterlestreet
- Start date
I reckon Ronaldo is in worse health than Hilary Clinton. I won't need Valderrama to help me throw this match. Guaranteed thrashing
Usually Sharemytactics.
Aye, it's almost a shame that no subs are allowed here as it prevents being able to test out a wider range of players.
HECTOR SCARONE (EL MAGO)
Uruguay is linked to football by a deep and indissoluble bond. A relationship of deep passion started strongly in the early twentieth century. This love for fútbol so genuine and innocent as can also be seen in the national culture and language.The expression "Tu ya Hector" - perhaps the most original of the Uruguayan catchphrases - dates back to a football game played many years ago . It's June 13, 1928, Uruguay are in Amsterdam in the final of the football tournament of the Olympic Games. It's like a World Cup final since then the World Cup was assigned to the inside of the Olympics. Uruguay is in his best footballing moment: four years earlier they had surprised everyone by triumphing in Paris and giving football lessons with great humility.
Standing at 170 centimeters tall, his thin legs did not encourage him to be a predator in the area. Lacking the physicality he was rejected from club Nacional at the age of 15. Instead of letting this cause doubts about his abilities for sport, the Uruguayan footballer used this as an extra motivation to achieve his dreams. He became obsessed with improving those physical weaknesses and, a year later, he again presented himself to the technicians of the lower categories of Nacional. The Uruguayan club this time deemed him fit ti be a player, but only for the second team. Only five games were enough to make the leap for Scarone. It was 1917 and, at 19 years, the 'magician' became part of the first team of Nacional.
Hector far exceeded the expected level from him at Nacional. His dribbling skills, ability to run on flanks using both legs and spectacular header despite his short stature, he became the prototype of Uruguayan striker. At the age of 19 Scarone helped Uruguay wining second Copa America with an accurate header and thus was born the legendary career of Hector the 'magician' Scarone.
Barca sacrifice
In 1924, Uruguay goes to the Olympic Games in Paris and shows superiority over rivals never seen before.The 'Celeste' win every game by at least three goals difference and Scarone finishes the tournament with five goals. Scarone becomes a dominating player who collects titles at club level and Internationals. Keeps winning leagues and cups with both National team and club a scary superiority. He broke quite a few records which stood unbroken for many decades. At Copa America in 1926 he becomes the Uruguayan to score most goals in an official match after scoring five goals in a rout of Bolivia.
But the reputation of Scarone did not crossed the ocean until Nacional begins a tour of Europe in the mid-30s in a friendly against Barcelona of Samitier in Las Corts. Scarone dazzles Barca fans with its breadth of technical resources and lethal eye for goal and Barcelona will not let him escape.The 'magician' becomes the first major international signing in Barcelona's history. In his only at Barca he won a Copa del Rey and scored nine goals in 18 games. Barca offers a professional contract but Scarone rejects the offer to contest the 1928 Olympics because at that time they could only amateur could participate in an Olympic event "I thought of my country, that soon would come the Olympics and I should wear the blue shirt. I thought Nacional, my club at heart, and decided not to sign ".
The first world champion
In another display, Uruguay kept the title in the Olympic Games as Scarone emerges as the great Hero. The 'magician' scored the decisive goal against Argentina in the final (2-1) and completed his participation in the Games with seven goals in two Olympics. The big names in football begin to surrender to his charms. The legendary Zamora describes him as"the symbol of football" and the historic Giuseppe Meazza could not help qualify the Uruguayan as"the most fantastic player" who he ever saw.
Despite not standing out as usual in the side in goals, Scarone proclaimed world champion with Uruguay in 1930 and again try his luck in Europe. Inter Milan and Palermo made the latest attempt to win him away from his country. He returned in 1934 to start his third stint in Nacional, with the club of his life he scored 301 goals in 369 games.With the country of his birth, the figures rise to 31 goals in 52 official matches. Hector the 'magician' Scarone was, there is little doubt about it, the first great Forward in the history of professional football.
Soccer in Sun and Shadow said:
Yes, I thought about the same thing earlier on.
The problem with subs remains the same, though: They're not considered as actual subs (but do-overs) by the neutrals/voters.
We need to implement some kind of match clock format which the voters actually acknowledge first – if that can be done, subs will make sense.
In this draft the 12-14 players do make a difference, even if they aren't used, because they make the selections less predictable – so even if they aren't properly showcased in the match thread, they have their part to play.
Maybe allow subs but don't change the OP? In this case if you are to see the actual sub - you have to follow the discussion, so it kinda replicates a match clock.
Antonio Sastre
Angels with Dirty faces said:
With his tacit leadership, he was responsible for moving the threads of the team, put rhythm with his runs and add breaks with his dribbling. He also became a villain when he was designated to mark the rival figure. It was his willful talent that soon transformed into the idol of the fans of the Red, and he rewarded them the affection with bicampeonato 1938 and 1939. Independiente won both Championship First Division with scoring record that was not surpassed: turned 115 goals in 32 games the first year, while the second was 103 at 34. of course, the performers were unbeatable on that front formed by Vicente De La Mata, Antonio Sastre, José Vilariño, Arsenio Erico and Jose Zorrilla.
During his best years he was also polyfunctional off the court, because while playing in Independiente he worked in a bakery. Many times to save the tram ticket to his home in Avellaneda, he would sleep in the kitchen, and arming his bed on bags of flour and heat the oven. However, he had to cut the habit in 1937, when word spread that he could be found there and the place became a place of worship that fans approached to see him and ask for advice. In that year, Sastrín, as he was known, had been one of the prominent figures of the Argentina team in the South American cup of Buenos Aires, the Albiceleste had won after defeating Brazil 2-0 in the final. Curiously Satre played in that tournament on the right wing, and was tasked against legendary left wing of Brazil composed by Tim and Patesko.
"I did not like to lose the ball because you must fight for it and when someone takes it that means you lost the fight. Those who lose and remain with folded arms should not play. " Sastre repeated, as if it were a declaration of non-negotiable principles.
In 1941 he again won the title of the Sudamericano, in a special edition developed in Santiago de Chile. The reason was the commemoration of the fourth centenary of the founding of the city. Argentina won the tournament with four wins in four games.
A year later he completed his glorious stay at Independiente. On October 4, 1942, in a 2-2 draw against Platense, he made the last of his 112 goals in the red, and two weeks later a draw 1-1 with Boca, marked his farewell to his party number 340. He received a mountain of praise was for his ability to adapt to any function within a football field. By then he had already played striker, central playmaker, and even goalkeeper twice, replacing Fernando Bello. The first time was against San Lorenzo, the Argentine Championship, and the second against Penarol, in a friendly. How did it go? Nobody could score any goals.
His next adventure took him to Sao Paulo of Brazil, who contacted him at the express request of coach Vicente Feola, the same who led the Brazilian team in the World Cup in Sweden in 1958 and that would lead to Boca in early sixties - "We had a good team, but we needed a player who could equilibrate our tactical system. Sastre came and did that. With him, we were champions three times in four years. I tell the many who saw him play he had the same importance for us as Zizinho first and Gerson later, players who lived to give tranquility to the team on the court, "he recalled about the paulista technician.
Sastre came to a Brazilian football which was just beginning to open up to the black players, because until then it was an exclusive sport of European immigrants. Decentralized state tournaments were just Paulista Championship and it was dominated by Corinthians and Palmeiras. Sao Paulo known as tricolors have not won the title since 1931, they stoically endured the taunts of their rivals. A popular mockery said the Tricolor would leave champion the day when a coin is tossed in the air and it lands on edge and stop there. Sastre, then, was instructed to put the coin on edge.
Sastrín soon stood out as a versatile player and, as he had done in his time with the Paraguayan Erico at Independiente, became a star co-star in charge of supplying Leonidas, the Black Diamond, the redoubtable Brazilian striker who was scorer in France World Cup 1938. the first year, Sastre arrived on loan in exchange for 10,000 pesos, and finally three more seasons was when Paulo bought his contract for 30,000 pesos.
With the Tricolor was Paulista champion in 1943, 1945 and 1946, and runner-up in 1944 (the title was in the hands of Palmeiras). His football was the seed that germinated later on the floor of Brazil, to turn it into the land of jogo bonito. "Argentines want to copy us Brazilians, but they forget that an Argentine wine to Brazil twenty years ago to teach us football. His name was Antonio Sastre, " said Osvaldo Brandao coach Juvenal to a journalist in 1967.
Sastre decided to retire in 1946 and despite the insistence,Sao Paulo could not convince him to continue. As a tribute, he was dedicated a statue at Morumbi stadium and organized a farewell match against River, the Tricolor lost 2-1. The goal was scored by Sastre and while changing in the locker room he was visited by River's president. "I do not know when do you return to our country, but just consider yourself a River Plate player with any figures of the contract that you set. "said River Plate, the millionaire president. Sastre welcomed the proposal, but rejected it.
After retirement he earned life riding a distributor of newspapers and was also owned an insurance company. However, the Konex Foundation rescued him from oblivion and in 1980 he was awarded the Diploma of Merit as one of the top five players in Argentina's history (the other four were Pedernera, Di Stefano, Maradona and Charro Moreno). On November 23, 1987, at age 76, he died of a stroke at his home in Avellaneda.
The end is a line of unique pen Juvenal, who thus fired Sastre in the edition 3556 of Figure: "It is a must, an unavoidable milestone, a fundamental point of reference to know that today the Argentine football is like because there was someone named Antonio Sastre. Independiente is to understand that it is because someone named Antonio Sastre gave his style, his vocation and his footballing philosophy. (...) No shouting, no gestures, never give the feeling of commanding and ordered all his companions. In the middle of these two extremes'inventó' modern football. The polyfunctional. The man full court and all functions. The illustrious ancestor of Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cruyff. The creator of total football in Argentina. (...) Is worth repeating because it is always said that ours is a football story. We are as we are, Independiente is as it is, because back in the thirties there was someone named Antonio Sastre ".
Aye fair enough. It works both ways too. Often you might want to bring on a sub to make a defensive change to shut the door when winning the voting, but then you might get a voter who rocks up and thinks that's the way it's played out for the whole game.
I'm big on a match clock if we can get that properly adopted - stick it in bold capitals and/or threadmarked. Translate the 24-hour voting period into a 90-minute match. Keep a list of the changes in the OP.
Well, I'm skeptical.
If you do it like that, the scan voters won't know that a sub has taken place at all - which is arguably problematic in itself if we're aiming for realism.
And those who follow the discussion won't necessarily treat the subs as subs - in fact, what usually happens in match threads would indicate that they will not treat them as such:
"I like this much better - so, yeah, I'll vote for that."
That's the standard response - and it doesn't factor in a "match clock" at all in most cases. Whether you make the sub after 2 hours or 20 hours makes no difference as long as you manage to catch the voters in time, as it were.
People have to alter their voting habits - and start reasoning like this:
"Yeah, I like that much better - but the fact is that you only have 12 minutes left on the clock, and you won't catch up - so I have to vote for the other guy."
The latter isn't done - and you can't force people to think like that either. It has to be a natural thing.
But by all means, if the majority of the managers want subs - who am I to argue? I think it's a bit late, though - everyone had the chance to question the rules when they were posted.
I think the sensible solution here would be to leave it as it is unless an actual majority voice their opinion in this thread - and do so fairly quickly. If not, it's better left as a debate to be had before the next draft.
Have you picked your last player?
I can see the dilemma. If you want to make the draft more tactical, then there's a case for opening up different tactical and personnel approaches in the same game. And enabling the tactical back-and-fore - make a change, then a counter-change, etc - a draft version of Guardiola and Mourinho's contest yesterday. There's certainly an argument though to make the draft more tactical by forcing managers to get their initial selection right. The worst case scenario that has played out before is getting it wrong, the committee correcting it, and then switching it right - without any major impact on the voting. Whereas in reality starting off on the wrong foot is usually fatal. That said, I thought the 'no changes in the first 45' rule should counter that. It's mostly about embracing those match dynamics and changing voter behaviour. I think we can underestimate the voters though. The dreaded scan-voters haven't had a big influence on the drafts in some time IMO and have largely been overcome by nerds like ourselves.*
* Please note I may revise this opinion should I make an early exit with my 1930s stars not getting their full dues.
* Please note I may revise this opinion should I make an early exit with my 1930s stars not getting their full dues.
I was generally on board with Enigma's idea but the bolded bit is a great point. There's been many match threads were a neutral has basically prescribed certain substitutions to a manager and voted for them when they made said changes. I imagine that these matches will generally be fairly low-voting affairs as few of us are genuinely familiar with the player pool, so that sort of management by committee could have an unreasonable effect on the outcomes. I'm in agreement that we should bin subs entirely for this draft, and reassess afterwards.
PLAYER PROFILES:
Oscar Cordoba:
Around the turn of the century there was no better goalkeeper from South America. Selected in the South American Team of the Year in 2000 and 2001 and ranked the IFFHS 2nd best ‘Keeper in the world in 2000. Agile and with lightning reflexes, Cordoba led Colombia to the 2001 Copa America without conceding a single goal.
Alberto Tarantini:
A quick, aggressive and technically adept defender. More at home with a defensive role in his early career but was also capable of playing a more attacking role. His persistency and stamina made him a difficult obstacle for the opposition and later in his career an asset going forward as a LWB.
Maicon:
An outstanding physical specimen, Maicon’s athleticism and technical skills, combined with his work-rate and immense stamina, made him the ideal modern wingback, capable of aiding his team both offensively and defensively.
Ricardo Gomes:
Regarded as one of the best defenders in the world during his time at Benfica, Ricardo Gomes was a calm and composed central defender with great anticipation and a strong tackle. Played for Brazil at the 1990 WC but missed out on their victorious 94’ campaign through injury.
His outstanding aerial ability helped him to score 28 goals in 158 games for Benfica.
Rafa Marquez:
One of Mexico’s finest ever players, Marquez was adept in central defence and as a defensive midfielder. His technique and passing ability allied with his positioning, tackling and anticipation made him a key player for Barcelona and Mexico during his peak.
Pep Guardiola on Marquez: "There are maybe two or three players in the world that have that capability to make their central midfielders better through passes in the first phase (out of defense)."
Roberto Sensini:
An intelligent, versatile and consistent player, able to play across the defence or even in midfield thanks to his good technique. But it was his positioning and tackling ability as a central defender that made him a key asset to his club sides and Argentina, with whom he played in 3 World Cups.
Fernando Redondo:
One of the best midfielders of modern times, Redondo was comfortable sitting back and stifling the opposition or pushing forward to support the attack. His technique, dribbling, passing and vision made him one of the best midfielders in the world and the jewel in Real Madrid’s crown in the late 1990’s.
Jose Velasquez:
One of Peru’s most celebrated players, Velasquez was a key component of Peru’s ‘golden generation’. A powerful box-to-box midfield with a strong tackle and a crisp short passing game, his surging forward runs and quick passing, allied with his immense stamina and work-rate meant Velasquez was the perfect foil for the more creative and technical players in the national team setup.
Cesar Cueto:
The left footed poet was another key member of Peru’s golden generation and arguably their best player of all time. Blessed with superb agility, close control and incredible passing ability, Cesar Cueto was a gifted playmaker capable of slotting in behind the strikers as a #10 or in a more free-roaming role in midfield.
Juan Carlos Oblitas:
El Ciego (The Blind One) represented Peru at two World Cups and was part of the side who won the Copa America in 1975. An agile left winger with terrific dribbling skills and the ability to score some truly spectacular goals.
Hugo Sotil:
Capable of playing in a variety of attacking positions, Hugo Sotil is another of Peru’s most renowned players. A great dribbler and accurate passer as well as a regular goal scorer, Sotil scored the winning goal in the final game of Peru’s victorious 1975 Copa America tournament.
Omar Corbatta:
The Argentinian Garrincha. Regarded as one of the best wingers Argentina has produced. An outstanding dribbler, he was also player with fabulous close control and a penchant for the spectacular. Sadly his life paralleled Garrincha in more ways than one and he struggled with alcoholism.
Omar Sivori:
“The Maradona of the 60’s.” Ballon d’or winner ‘El Cabezon’ Omar Sivori mesmerized fans in Italy with his skills. A superb dribbler fond of nutmegs, the tenacious Sivori was also a prolific goalscorer and quality passer who formed a terrific partnership with John Charles up front for Juventus.
Luis Suarez:
Technically excellent and a clinical finisher. These attributes combined with his unselfishness, work-rate and versatility make him the complete package and one of the best players in the world today.
Oscar Cordoba:
Around the turn of the century there was no better goalkeeper from South America. Selected in the South American Team of the Year in 2000 and 2001 and ranked the IFFHS 2nd best ‘Keeper in the world in 2000. Agile and with lightning reflexes, Cordoba led Colombia to the 2001 Copa America without conceding a single goal.
Alberto Tarantini:
A quick, aggressive and technically adept defender. More at home with a defensive role in his early career but was also capable of playing a more attacking role. His persistency and stamina made him a difficult obstacle for the opposition and later in his career an asset going forward as a LWB.
Maicon:
An outstanding physical specimen, Maicon’s athleticism and technical skills, combined with his work-rate and immense stamina, made him the ideal modern wingback, capable of aiding his team both offensively and defensively.
Ricardo Gomes:
Regarded as one of the best defenders in the world during his time at Benfica, Ricardo Gomes was a calm and composed central defender with great anticipation and a strong tackle. Played for Brazil at the 1990 WC but missed out on their victorious 94’ campaign through injury.
His outstanding aerial ability helped him to score 28 goals in 158 games for Benfica.
Rafa Marquez:
One of Mexico’s finest ever players, Marquez was adept in central defence and as a defensive midfielder. His technique and passing ability allied with his positioning, tackling and anticipation made him a key player for Barcelona and Mexico during his peak.
Pep Guardiola on Marquez: "There are maybe two or three players in the world that have that capability to make their central midfielders better through passes in the first phase (out of defense)."
Roberto Sensini:
An intelligent, versatile and consistent player, able to play across the defence or even in midfield thanks to his good technique. But it was his positioning and tackling ability as a central defender that made him a key asset to his club sides and Argentina, with whom he played in 3 World Cups.
Fernando Redondo:
One of the best midfielders of modern times, Redondo was comfortable sitting back and stifling the opposition or pushing forward to support the attack. His technique, dribbling, passing and vision made him one of the best midfielders in the world and the jewel in Real Madrid’s crown in the late 1990’s.
Jose Velasquez:
One of Peru’s most celebrated players, Velasquez was a key component of Peru’s ‘golden generation’. A powerful box-to-box midfield with a strong tackle and a crisp short passing game, his surging forward runs and quick passing, allied with his immense stamina and work-rate meant Velasquez was the perfect foil for the more creative and technical players in the national team setup.
Cesar Cueto:
The left footed poet was another key member of Peru’s golden generation and arguably their best player of all time. Blessed with superb agility, close control and incredible passing ability, Cesar Cueto was a gifted playmaker capable of slotting in behind the strikers as a #10 or in a more free-roaming role in midfield.
Juan Carlos Oblitas:
El Ciego (The Blind One) represented Peru at two World Cups and was part of the side who won the Copa America in 1975. An agile left winger with terrific dribbling skills and the ability to score some truly spectacular goals.
Hugo Sotil:
Capable of playing in a variety of attacking positions, Hugo Sotil is another of Peru’s most renowned players. A great dribbler and accurate passer as well as a regular goal scorer, Sotil scored the winning goal in the final game of Peru’s victorious 1975 Copa America tournament.
Omar Corbatta:
The Argentinian Garrincha. Regarded as one of the best wingers Argentina has produced. An outstanding dribbler, he was also player with fabulous close control and a penchant for the spectacular. Sadly his life paralleled Garrincha in more ways than one and he struggled with alcoholism.
Omar Sivori:
“The Maradona of the 60’s.” Ballon d’or winner ‘El Cabezon’ Omar Sivori mesmerized fans in Italy with his skills. A superb dribbler fond of nutmegs, the tenacious Sivori was also a prolific goalscorer and quality passer who formed a terrific partnership with John Charles up front for Juventus.
Luis Suarez:
Technically excellent and a clinical finisher. These attributes combined with his unselfishness, work-rate and versatility make him the complete package and one of the best players in the world today.
Sending my team to Chester shortly then probably off to bed. I'll check in again in the morning.
No, there's a post by @Chesterlestreet explaining the terms and conditions on that. I pick just before the match and my opponent gets a chance to veto my pick. It's actually quite fair.
Heh - I got the fixtures mixed up here: Thought Jayvin-Tuppet was scheduled for tomorrow. Sorry about that - will start the match presently.
Up now.
Stupid question: why 'just before the match'? Magical surprise effect?
I won't start the match until Mounchester has officially approved of Goodman's pick, so there won't be any surprise effect.
@Mciahel Goodman I suggest you pick as soon as possible, to finalize your roster in good time before the match (scheduled for Wednesday).
Meanwhile, everyone can go ahead and post unpicked XIs and whatnot - the "no unnamed players" rule is no longer in effect.
Will pick by tonight, or tomorrow morning.
Excellent - just tag Mounchester and get his official go-ahead.
Thanks, will do.
Good, let's go. I will start with Peru
One of the forgotten players is...
Teodoro 'Lolo' Fernandez (Peru) - "El Cañonero" ("The Cannoneer") - deserves a mention.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teodoro_Fernández
Individual awards
- Peruvian League: Top Scorer 1932, 1933, 1934, 1939, 1940, 1942, 1945[12]
- Copa America 1939: Best Player
- Copa America 1939: Top Scorer
- 3rd place of All-Time Copa America goal scorers, 15 goals.[13]
- All-time top scorer of the Peruvian Super Classic, 29 goals.
- Peruvian league top-scorer for a record seven times.
- Highest individual scoring rate per Olympic match, 5 goals.[14]
- Most capped Peruvian player in the history of the Copa America, 24 matches[15]
- Top goalscorer in Universitario de Deportes's history, 156 goals.
Fernández was part of the "Combinado del Pacífico" (Peru-Chile XI) a squad of Peruvian and Chilean footballers of Alianza Lima, Atlético Chalaco, Colo-Colo and Universitario de Deportes that played 39 friendly matches in Europe between September 1933 and March 1934 against teams such as FC Barcelona, Celtic FC, Hearts FC, Newcastle United FC, West Ham United FC and FC Bayern Munich. With 48 goals, Fernández was the team´s main goalscorer during the European tour.[11]
ALL-TIME PERU: some illustrations
CHILE
1. Sergio Livingstone: GK
Date Of Birth : 26 March 1920
Position : Goalkeeper
Height : 176 cm
Major Club : Universidad Catolica
Caps : 52 Games
World Cup Participation : 1950 (3 Games)
Club Honours : 2 Times Chilean League
International Honours : None
Individual Achievement : 1941 Copa America Best Player
Universidad De Catolica Greatest Player Ever
IFFHS Chile Greatest Goalkeeper Ever
Otherwise, no Chilean left-back picked.
2. Lizardo Garrido
Date Of Birth : 14 August 1931
Position : Right or left-Back
Height : 182 cm
Major Club : Colo-Colo
Caps : 44 Games
World Cup Participation : 1982 ( Games)
Club Honours : 6 Times Chilean League
6 Times Copa Chile
1991 Copa Libertadores Cup
International Honours : 1962 FIFA World Cup Third Place
Individual Achievement : 1984 Chilean Footballer of The Year
Class : Prince Silver
Another LB has a good reputation: Antonio ARIAS
Some illustrations - CHILE XI
1. Sergio Livingstone: GK
Date Of Birth : 26 March 1920
Position : Goalkeeper
Height : 176 cm
Major Club : Universidad Catolica
Caps : 52 Games
World Cup Participation : 1950 (3 Games)
Club Honours : 2 Times Chilean League
International Honours : None
Individual Achievement : 1941 Copa America Best Player
Universidad De Catolica Greatest Player Ever
IFFHS Chile Greatest Goalkeeper Ever
Otherwise, no Chilean left-back picked.
2. Lizardo Garrido
Date Of Birth : 14 August 1931
Position : Right or left-Back
Height : 182 cm
Major Club : Colo-Colo
Caps : 44 Games
World Cup Participation : 1982 ( Games)
Club Honours : 6 Times Chilean League
6 Times Copa Chile
1991 Copa Libertadores Cup
International Honours : 1962 FIFA World Cup Third Place
Individual Achievement : 1984 Chilean Footballer of The Year
Class : Prince Silver
Another LB has a good reputation: Antonio ARIAS
Some illustrations - CHILE XI
Brazil, I like Rai - the brother of Socrates
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I was hoping Dirceu might get picked. Looked an interesting player from what I've seen.
Not just him, though. I found several more interesting players that I was interested in picking but couldn't because I discovered them too late. I was particularly interested in Albrecht after seeing him perform for Argentina in the 1966 World Cup.
I thought sjor and EAP's last pick would be Mauro Camoranesi, sjor had him in practically all his last few draft games and he fit the profile of dual nationality player they talked about. Not that he can hold the candle to the awesomeness of Anderson.
While doing research on Scarone I came across this excerpt -
Reminded me of antohan
Soccer In Sun and Shadow said:
Reminded me of antohan
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Reinaldo
In the May 20, 1977 issue of Placar, Robert Drumond said, "Reinaldo was not a tostao but he thought like him, he was not Ademir de guia but had his elegance, he was not a gerson but had his class, he was not Dada but scored as many goals. Reinaldo is Reinaldo"
Holder of the Brazilian single season record for goals per game with 1.55 for Atlético Mineiro. Considered Brazil's most talented player back in 1977 before injuries crippled him. Had something like 8 knee operations in the late 70s and early 80s. Even then he could/should have played in Espana'82 but Tele Santana's homophobia kept Reinaldo out of the side. Reinaldo was apparently friends with an openly gay broadcaster. When asked if it was partying that kept Reinaldo out of the '82 selection Socrates laughed and said "I drink more in a day than Reinaldo does in a year. It was pure homophobia".
With over 250 goals for Atlético Mineiro, if he wasn't de-selected due to homophobia he could have been a Ronaldo-esque 2002 vintage figure and lead Brazil to 1982 victory
In the May 20, 1977 issue of Placar, Robert Drumond said, "Reinaldo was not a tostao but he thought like him, he was not Ademir de guia but had his elegance, he was not a gerson but had his class, he was not Dada but scored as many goals. Reinaldo is Reinaldo"
Holder of the Brazilian single season record for goals per game with 1.55 for Atlético Mineiro. Considered Brazil's most talented player back in 1977 before injuries crippled him. Had something like 8 knee operations in the late 70s and early 80s. Even then he could/should have played in Espana'82 but Tele Santana's homophobia kept Reinaldo out of the side. Reinaldo was apparently friends with an openly gay broadcaster. When asked if it was partying that kept Reinaldo out of the '82 selection Socrates laughed and said "I drink more in a day than Reinaldo does in a year. It was pure homophobia".
With over 250 goals for Atlético Mineiro, if he wasn't de-selected due to homophobia he could have been a Ronaldo-esque 2002 vintage figure and lead Brazil to 1982 victory
Oh! And antohan was a big fan of the Uruguyan Abaddie
http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/33704/Julio_Abbadie.html
Damn it, I picked someone who I thought everyone had missed. I'll make another pick. 
@Chesterlestreet or any other neutral
We are ready to get our match started against @Aldo. Let us know when we need to submit our write-up and formation pic.
We are ready to get our match started against @Aldo. Let us know when we need to submit our write-up and formation pic.
Send it over. I have Aldo's stuff, will start both today's matches shortly.
Both matches are up.
Final pick is Gary Medel @MounchesterUtd
Not sure if it has been asked elsewhere, but do we need to play all the Pool 2 players?
Also, what site do you make the formations at?
All good with me
You need to play at least 4 outfield Pool 2 players. I generally use sharemytactics.com