Fully agreed. Top post.
The “Ole In” Brigade
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Not at all. First, there is little chance we will lose 3-0 because both teams will be pretty conservative with an eye on Chelsea vs Wolves. Two, you don't judge a manager on one match. Ole has made very good progress this year and I see no reason to think the progress will not continue next season.
If we make top 4 I would give him an extension.
I think all pro-Ole posters think this too. Pretty obvious.
I like Olé a hell of a lot like most fans.
In fairness he's an easy guy to like.
I believe he's making progress.
I really hope his players put a shift in for him next Sunday.
In fairness he's an easy guy to like.
I believe he's making progress.
I really hope his players put a shift in for him next Sunday.
I share the same sentiments. If come next season we are still fighting for top 4 even after adding the likes of sancho then we have to look for other options. Right now it is very important we do the job against Leicester.
Excellent summary. Had he not made the push like he did (and how many people believed, prior to the start of the season, that we'd be in third place with one match to go?) and tried rotation, we'd have failed and the moaning here would have been out of control going into the next season. Your observation that he got spooked with the Norwich game is spot-on, too.
I think part of the problem is that the Bruno-Pogba combination works with a certain style of play that the McTominay-Fred combination does not, and Ole's going to have to iron out the differences so he can rotate people in and out and shift tactics from game-to-game and in-game as needed for rotation and opponents (as long as Lingard and Mata are not on the pitch simultaneously, which is disastrous every time). With the games coming so hard and heavy, I don't know that he's had time to work on that in training. Unfortunately, with the short break and Europa league finishing up, he may not get the luxury, but at least the fixture congestion should slow and give them a bit more time to work (and recover).
For me that depends on what players we get in the summer - if we get a Grealish and a Sancho - yes there is no excuse for not being a lot closer to the top
I think at this point there's not any excuse to have a squad filled with holes after this summer. He plays his part in pushing for signings, so we have to do whats needed otherwise we'll fall further behind.
I remember watching the league last season when Liverpool and City were going at it. Int he first half of the season, you would see Pep do what he does and make changes, Liverpool too but to a lesser extent.
However; come March, you would see the same team put out by both week in week out, when you have an objective, you put your best team out.
If Ole rotates too much, you will see comments like, "Ole doesn't even know his best 11"
Yep, his critics are always wise after the fact.
Can we have a word about Lampard here? The Ole-outers jump on every misstep and hammer him for it, but Lampard seems to get praised to the hilt for his apparent style of play - the style of play that has seen them get absolutely hammered in some games this year. We beat them 3 times this year - twice in the league with a score of 6-0 over the two games. Sheffield U beat them 3-0, they just conceded 5 to Liverpool, lost at home to Bournemouth, West Ham and Southampton and have been utterly shambolic at times. We're a much bigger club, so I guess that must be the reason, but every mistake is scrutinized when Ole is involved. Lamps gets a free pass.
I also think that Ole has achieved more this year. We are now above them in the league and honestly, I think Chelsea have a better squad. We might have a stronger 11, but they have superior options off the bench.
I think we'll get top 4, hopefully more investment this summer in the squad and we'll be a lot closer to City and Liverpool next year.
I also think that Ole has achieved more this year. We are now above them in the league and honestly, I think Chelsea have a better squad. We might have a stronger 11, but they have superior options off the bench.
I think we'll get top 4, hopefully more investment this summer in the squad and we'll be a lot closer to City and Liverpool next year.
Without thinking Ole will be a good as Klopp its worth looking back on how it started for him with Liverpool.
Arrived October 2015 and finished season in 8th
Klopps first full season they finished 4th 1 point ahead of Arsenal in 5th.
His 2nd full season was 4th again but that time finished 5 points ahead of 5th place Chelsea.
The signings they have made has allowed them to transform into the team they are now compared to 2015, 2016 and 2017.
Long story short I can't predict what's to come or will Ole will still be manager of United in the years ahead but the expectations among United supporters for next season should be 4th at least and secured CL football before the final day of the season.
So yeah. Took a lot of flak in this thread - interestingly some of them have not been seen for a while but I was probably mostly right.
Hey guys, just IMAGINE if LASK beat us 6-0 in the return leg? I just did!
Surely after that there is no coming back for Ole. Checkmate!
Not sure if this has been posted..
Lamps is Ole in.
Always liked frank
Ole, is and every UTD manager under the spotlight, no matter if they do well or dont, after SAF. It's been 7 yrs since hes gone , and it's been ups and downs. This season is still a rebuild in terms of players in and out, also performances have been inconsistent, but it's not only UTD who are inconsistent lots of clubs are. Ole will be here till end of season no matter how he does. There is improvement it can be seen, it's now confidence the players need to push on, everybody is looking at the cup half empty, instead of half full.
No, he won't be here no matter what he does. He will be here if the current trajectory is the way we go forward. If he starts to lose a lot of matches and we start to struggle and get to the bottom half he will get sacked.
For me, it's undeniable that this is the closest we are to the title since SAF. Jose finished 2nd but for most of the season, we are not challenging City. LVG maybe still in the race in April in his first season but he's never close, performance-wise or point-wise.
We're just 13-14 games in the league and we're already talking about winning the title. That despite having our arse handled to us by tiny Istanbul whatever and Leipzig. We really became small time.
If we're talking about finishing fourth, you will be saying "Lowering expectations, what have we become".
Same shyte, really.
I think 4th is the best we can get given our circumstances (shit defence, unexperienced manager + coaching staff etc). Irrespective of that it's still 14 games in the league. There plenty of games coming through and every man and his dog knows that we're ridiculously flawed. Luck will carry us so far.
However don't let me stop you celebrating the league title in Christmas mate. I didn't stop Liverpool fans during the Houllier/Benitez doing that, let alone fellow fans.
I don't think we're shit, far from it.
The squad age average is younger than any title contenders, they are learning and clicking to form.
Everybody talking about January signings, I'm just here believing the defense and attack can kick it up a notch. I'm sure they will.
When that happens, we'll see how far we can go.
Not that I'm comparing ole to saf in any way, but for the longest time we were very slow starters under fergie we regularly didn't hit our stride till after Christmas and ground out results in the first half of the season. And fergies also had his share of getting his ass handed to him by smaller clubs, this is a topsy turvey crazy season, and anything and everything is possible. With the confidence from sunday we could very well go on a storming run now. Whatever happens, its going to be a fun ride.
Please read again. I said shit defence, not shit team. Midfield and forward line are relatively fine. The problem lie in the defence unit which is incredibly error prone even when it gets all the protection it can get. Better coaching and better tactics can help, however they won't make Maguire/Lindelof fast (or intelligent) or push DDG to leave the comfort of his goal line. I still can't figure it out how on earth did we spent 80m on such average CB. He's got no pace, no leadership, little positioning and he constantly need to be nannied. Prime Wes, Johnsen, Bruce and Evans were better then him let alone Rio, Vidic, Pally and Stam.
I wish I could share your confidence.
I've yet to see anyone win a league title with a shit defence. That include the great Sir Alex Ferguson himself. Our results are inconsistent and we've yet to find a way to break tough defences that drop deep.
All good points mate, but on the flip side you have also never seen weekends where utd and Liverpool lost by 6 and 7 goals in the same weekend, then in the same season both won by 6 and 7 goals in the same weekend, anything is possible
All good points mate, but on the flip side you have also never seen weekends where utd and Liverpool lost by 6 and 7 goals in the same weekend, then in the same season both won by 6 and 7 goals in the same weekend, anything is possible
Well let's see.
I am not completely Ole out. I've said it many times that I'd wish the guy got proper help. That doesn't mean a blank cheque to buy every British talent he sets his eye upon but more in terms of experienced coaches, a top DOF, a technical director etc. When you consider our structure (inexperienced CEO, inexperienced head of recruitment, inexperienced manager, inexperienced coaches etc), we're lucky we're not lingering in the bottom half of the EPL table. That's the sort of progress I'd like to see this season and not this rollercoaster.
Having said that there's plenty of games that will need to be played and that defence is diabolical.
Yes what a disgrace that we are talking about possibly winning a title when we have got ourselves into a position to possibly challenge for a title I mean that would be as silly as writing the season off because of one or two bad results away from home in Europe, because big clubs never lose away in europe? Right?
Honestly let us enjoy the relative success of the season so far, I dont think anyone genuinely believes that we are gonna go on and win the title from this position but there's nothing wrong with talking about the possibility of it and in this season you just never know.
I mean I'm sure you will the one of the first to start up the doom wagon the next time we have the audacity to have a bad day and lose a game of football, but it wouldn't be contradictory of you to complain about other fans enjoying some positivity by getting carried away with some negativity would it?
I don't think people are getting carried away. Some of us are just positive and there is nothing wrong with that. What is the alternative really ? Give up since we won't win the league? Or give up since our arse was handled by tiny Istanbul and Leipzig ?
I am sticking to facts mate ie the CL. We won't be in it due to defeats against 2 clubs with o e 10th of our budget. Now as said before. If you wish to celebrate the league title 13 games into the league then be my guest. I can't see us winning the league with that leaky defence (that Ole spent 145m on btw).aybe the EPL should issue a 3rd by Christmas trophy. God only knows how Ole needs a trophy
One match means absolutely nothing during a season. I am not saying we will beat Liverpool this season, I still think we lack a few players. But even Ferguson had 1-2 matches almost every single season where we got hammered - but with that team you knew they would bounce back the next match.
Its actually 2 games and it costed us CL qualification. Oh well
His last title defence our defence was poor for huge chunks of the season. Our ability to score goals bailed us out, RVP I remember at the start of the season.
We still had big hitters but was slow bedding into the season was plenty of goals leaked lot of players in the down turn
How are we lucky we're not in the bottom half of the table?
The pessimism is off the scale with you.
Yes our defence needs to improve but it's more from individual errors that we are out of the CL. I think we can shore things up at the back as the season progresses. We had one of the best defensive records in the league last year but we definitely need to strengthen that are as it doesn't appear that either of our pact CB can stay fit.
Regardless of our defensive issues, I honestly don't see how you can look around the league and say that there are three teams who will do better than us this year; Man City, Chelsea, Spurs all have their issues and have been worse than us so far.
The CL exit was disappointing but there's every reason to be optimistic about this season as this is our highest league position at this stage in years. It's certainly better than last season so there's undeniably progress and we've a much better squad.
A team doesn't pick up the most points or close to the most pts in a calendar year through luck.
what’s the % of British players he’s bought? How many foreign players has he bought since the last British player?
you need to change the record.
It wont the defence that let's us down, it will be our habit of missing very good chances, it's the reason were no longer in the CL aswell.
Christmas is always a good point to see where the team is and then talk about what's its capable off, we are in the title race we might not be come March, but at the moment we are there are just about enough encouraging signs to suggest the team has a chance of mounting a title challenge but there also enough signs to suggest that we wont and will fall away. Noone is celebrating anything yet but I dont think I'm alone in saying I'm enjoying this season more than any of the previous 7, and its the first time since SAF left that at christmas its felt like we could be in contention for a title. We more than likely wont win it, but its nice to actually have a chance of it.
Small time to discuss a league challenge, when challenging for the top at xmas time? I feel sorry for people who can't even allow themselves to enjoy the football when we are playing fairly well. Must be such a miserable existence.