The “Ole In” Brigade

b82REZ said:
Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...
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Apparently if you played under a world class manager you automatically become one.

The whole post is laughable at best. Some of the newbies have hit the same levels as Ole's managerial acumen...
 
TRUERED89 said:
A bit? 7 bloody years. Would other fan bases from elite clubs accept this? We've all seen mostly success, does that mean we drop standards and become irrelevant like AC Milan? We've already become a top 4 trophy club like Arsenal, what next? A 30 year barren run without a PL like the scouse ?
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Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.
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b82REZ said:
Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.
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Why? Perhaps because the above is an indisputable fact that does not go along with your narrative!
 
b82REZ said:
Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...
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Bruce has done pretty well. Not good enough for us, but still a solid job. Hughes has been mixed and I don't rate him highly tactically. Although he did better than I expected at Stoke. The rest not so much.
Ole did well in Norway.
 
patty123 said:
Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.
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We came 2 points off the title under Sexton in 79/80 when Liverpool were reigning two times EC champions.
Lost the league to Leeds in the final weeks just before PL was established. 2nd in 87/88.

Before Klopp joined Pool and in PL era they had 3 2nd places.

Apart from 1 CL to show for how did we play far worse?
 
jackal&hyde said:
LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.
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I've said since summer and how weak our rivals are if Solskjaer doesn't get top four then he deserves the door. People need to realise we don't have Klopp / SAF in charge, Ole needs to earn his stay.
 
patty123 said:
Wow I bet if you were of age in 89 you be one with a placard with " ta ra fergie" on it. You mention liverpools 30 yrs, you do remember we went 26 and played far worse then they did in their missing yrs with so called better players back then, but then again, our players were more interested in pints not points back then.
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So because we went 26 years without a title, we just sit back and say its fine, we've won before? Imagine SAF had that attitude when Jose arrived in England the first time! We're actually finished, everything SMB and SAF worked relentlessly on to establish has been p!ssed on and set on fire! Thank you Ed!
 
No we would not be above City or Liverpool but we will be above Leicester and Chelsea.
 
passing-wind said:
I've said since summer and how weak our rivals are if Solskjaer doesn't get top four then he deserves the door. People need to realise we don't have Klopp / SAF in charge, Ole needs to earn his stay.
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Does that mean he has to perform better and faster then Klopp did at Pool? 8th and 4th was what he did his first 2 seasons and we know he is WC. We should expect more from Ole because he is not World Class? I'm confused.
 
TRUERED89 said:
So because we went 26 years without a title, we just sit back and say its fine, we've won before? Imagine SAF had that attitude when Jose arrived in England the first time! We're actually finished, everything SMB and SAF worked relentlessly on to establish has been p!ssed on and set on fire! Thank you Ed!
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No one is saying we went 26 years before so it is fine, just saying that it may not happen over night
 
Trying not to sound deluded but it seems like what the Ole Out crowd cares about which is the bad tactics and style of play is not the cup of tea of the Ole In crowd and maybe even the board.

We've all concluded that the best thing for this club, a DOF is not going to happen. A DOF has been what we've needed since Ferguson left. The club has now become such a mess under this management that they've made it hard for the best coaches to fix it. What is needed still to get back to glory is a DOF, someone that has a long term vision, someone that wants to rebuild and someone that has the club's best interest at heart. But that's not going to happen with Ed, so what's the alternative.

Ole so far has shown he has a long term vision of the club, he has stated that the club is undergoing a rebuild and everything he is doing is for the club's best interest. Asides from the performances on the pitch, the club is in such a mess internally and Ole wants to fix that. In essence, tactics and style of play is not important compared to fixing the club structure which Ole is trying to do. If we sack Ole and bring in Klopp or Guardiola or Rose or Pochettino or Bielsa while all are far superior to Ole in tactics and style of play, they are not going to fix the structure of the club. Any of these coaches can come in and have us playing better but in the long run, the teribble club structure would remain the same since we don't have a DOF.

So based on the thinking of the Ole In crowd, the club structure needs to be fixed. Ole may be tactically inept but what's important now is fixing the club structure and he's the only one that can do this since we wouldnt be getting a DOF. Bringing in Guardiola won't do this, bringing in Nagelsmann wouldn't do this.

Ole may not be the man to win us titles and may not be good enough tactically to get us to play anything asides counter attacks but he can be the man to bring back direction to this club which is the most important thing we need right now.

Just my two cents on the perspective of those that support Ole
 
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matt10000 said:
If you a professional swimmer who has worked under Michael Phelps guidance then maybe you can.
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So, for example if you have played under Rehhagel, Lattek, Trap, Hitzfeld and Heynckes you should be a fantastic manager right?

Wonder why it didn't work out for Matthäus then?
 
matt10000 said:
Why? Perhaps because the above is an indisputable fact that does not go along with your narrative!
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Buzz if you know who had already taken that team from 21st to 2nd in his first 1.5 seasons before then.

Come on @matt10000 this is a fun game.

Making the same mistake as many in thinking SAF won patience at United because of the incredible job he did at Aberdeen is showing how clueless one is.

SAF earned patience and trust by the incredible job he was already doing at United.

How the funk has Ole earned any patience or trust during his spells at Molde, Cardiff or United ??
 
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b82REZ said:
Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...
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The point being made was Solskjær has taken Utd to their lowest point tally at this stage of the season in over 30 years. I was showing this wasn't the case. Re: Assuming that he'll be a good manager because he played under Sir Alex. Isn't this place fuelled on assumptions?
 
matt10000 said:
If you a professional swimmer who has worked under Michael Phelps guidance then maybe you can.
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Maybe, believe, perhaps... What if I swam like a dog? And I thought that this type of swimming was faster than any other type and would surely win me a gold medal 4 years from now, despite comparing times to the best showed a vast difference in time? Should I continue swimming like a dog? Hoping/believing/Wishing that something will happen if I just swam more like a dog?
 
jackal&hyde said:
Does that mean he has to perform better and faster then Klopp did at Pool? 8th and 4th was what he did his first 2 seasons and we know he is WC. We should expect more from Ole because he is not World Class? I'm confused.
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I'm not even sure what Klopp's involvement with my above comment has to do with anything he's done in his infancy at Liverpool but I'll entertain this notion. Depends how you want to go about dissecting a managers capabilities, let's just ignore everything that Klopp already did with Dortmund, his coaching philosophy and ethos as a manager long before stepping into Liverpool to the degree our own Sir Alex predicted he'd win the league on the premise of what he had seen outside of England.

Considering Klopp took over in October and Ole not too dissimilar a period under Jose, Solskjaer finished 6th so we will consider that his first season if it's also considered the same for Klopps. Jürgen was also able to reach the Europa League finals and a league cup final in that period. That means he has context to his résumé, he didn't win those competitions but there's enough of a platform to see how Liverpool could improve under his management he's already earning his time.

Solskjaer has finished 6th, it would be inconsequential to give him time without a top 4 finish for a variety of reasons namingly recruitment, the perceived direction of the club and after spending 140 million, to not have any viable domestic progression will render us in a position of decline since appointing him.

There is no comparison between Klopp's infancy at Liverpool and Solskjaer's because Klopp's managerial career didn't start in England it began in the Germany. He already had a reputation from his prior success which gained him notability around Europe. Klopp becoming who he has (the best manager in the world) means he has fulfilled his potential as a manager. Potential means your showing signs of something great but it's not quite manifested itself at oresent. In Solskjaer's 10 year career he hasn't shown the potential to do anything remotely noteworthy in world football.

The analogy I can use best to define this ridiculous comparison is like assessing the fastest driver on bumper cars and comparing them to Michael Schumacher.
 
Lentwood said:
Do you think Jose was doing what was best for the club? I'm not 100% sure about that to be honest. I think Jose was looking out for Jose, certainly in that final season.
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Of course he was. Same as Ole is now.

Mourinho got a new deal in January and was told to continue to improve results. And after not beeing backed in the summer he knew that he is not going to improve. So he starts making push on woodward because he was in very good position.
Either Woodward is going to realise he should listen to him, buy him players and then would mourinho improve or he is going to sack him and pay him big time. Which would not matter because he is big name manager and can attract big clubs. Thats why he end up in last year champions league finalist. So it was win win situation for him personally.


How about solskjaer doing it now too?

Well he is nowhere near Mourinho's level of manager. And never will be. This is his top of the mountain and after this his level of clubs interest is going to be much much lower. Maybe they are going to take him back in Norway but in England? Nobody would want him.

So he is sitting by woodward and listening to him because he showed him already that what happen when manager is not listening him with Jose and LVG sacking.


And thats a win for woodward. Because most of the hate and arguing between fans is about Ole and not cheap owners.

Thats why I dont buy that bullsiht talk about 'right players' and 'united way' because everybody knows that our squad is thin and we needs players. And there is bunch of players. You just need to pay. But thats another story.....
 
passing-wind said:
I'm not even sure what Klopp's involvement with my above comment has to do with anything he's done in his infancy at Liverpool but I'll entertain this notion. Depends how you want to go about dissecting a managers capabilities, let's just ignore everything that Klopp already did with Dortmund, his coaching philosophy and ethos as a manager long before stepping into Liverpool to the degree our own Sir Alex predicted he'd win the league on the premise of what he had seen outside of England.

Considering Klopp took over in October and Ole not too dissimilar a period under Jose, Solskjaer finished 6th so we will consider that his first season if it's also considered the same for Klopps. Jürgen was also able to reach the Europa League finals and a league cup final in that period. That means he has context to his résumé, he didn't win those competitions but there's enough of a platform to see how Liverpool could improve under his management he's already earning his time.

Solskjaer has finished 6th, it would be inconsequential to give him time without a top 4 finish for a variety of reasons namingly recruitment, the perceived direction of the club and after spending 140 million, to not have any viable domestic progression will render us in a position of decline since appointing him.

There is no comparison between Klopp's infancy at Liverpool and Solskjaer's because Klopp's managerial career didn't start in England it began in the Germany. He already had a reputation from his prior success which gained him notability around Europe. Klopp becoming who he has (the best manager in the world) means he has fulfilled his potential as a manager. Potential means your showing signs of something great but it's not quite manifested itself at oresent. In Solskjaer's 10 year career he hasn't shown the potential to do anything remotely noteworthy in world football.

The analogy I can use best to define this ridiculous comparison is like assessing the fastest driver on bumper cars and comparing them to Michael Schumacher.
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If we make the CL, would Ole have earned his time? Top 4 or Europa League winners, doesn't matter.
 
mirdo said:
How about solskjaer doing it now too?

Well he is nowhere near Mourinho's level of manager. And never will be. This is his top of the mountain and after this his level of clubs interest is going to be much much lower. Maybe they are going to take him back in Norway but in England? Nobody would want him.

So he is sitting by woodward and listening to him because he showed him already that what happen when manager is not listening him with Jose and LVG sacking.


And thats a win for woodward. Because most of the hate and arguing between fans is about Ole and not cheap owners.

Thats why I dont buy that bullsiht talk about 'right players' and 'united way' because everybody knows that our squad is thin and we needs players. And there is bunch of players. You just need to pay. But thats another story.....
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OK, so let's run with this accusation that Ole, for some reason, doesn't want to spend the club's money and is perfectly happy with the likes of Mata, Pereira, Lingard etc....

Summer 2019 - We spent £145m and recouped about £90m...so I'd estimate net spend to be about £55m

My question to you is, how much money do you think Manchester United had (or should have had) available for transfers in the Summer of 2019?
 
Lentwood said:
OK, so let's run with this accusation that Ole, for some reason, doesn't want to spend the club's money and is perfectly happy with the likes of Mata, Pereira, Lingard etc....

Summer 2019 - We spent £145m and recouped about £90m...so I'd estimate net spend to be about £55m

My question to you is, how much money do you think Manchester United had (or should have had) available for transfers in the Summer of 2019?
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20m for James, 50 for AWB and 80 for Maguire alongside 10m for Mejbri makes it roughly 160m spent.

We received roughly 75m pounds for Lukaku and you can probably add up to 80m pounds with deals for Darmian and Smalling (loan)

Our net spend has been around 80m pounds. More than enough to give to a rookie manager and expect progress and to mount a top 4 challenge.

Transfermarkd has Lukaku at 65m EUR at a lower valuation and say that we are at 89.5m EUR net.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985
 
Enigma_87 said:
We came 2 points off the title under Sexton in 79/80 when Liverpool were reigning two times EC champions.
Lost the league to Leeds in the final weeks just before PL was established. 2nd in 87/88.

Before Klopp joined Pool and in PL era they had 3 2nd places.

Apart from 1 CL to show for how did we play far worse?
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77/78 10th, 78/79 9th, as you did the following year as you stated 2nd, the following we had dropped back down to 6th, 87/88 11th, the following season 13th, those stats are here because you brought it up, as I was talking actual playing style and not just where we ended up.

And you claim liverpool were two times reigning champs of Europe, wrong as that was the mighty Notts Forrest who won it 78/79, 79/80
 
patty123 said:
77/78 10th, 78/79 9th, as you did the following year as you stated 2nd, the following we had dropped back down to 6th, 87/88 11th, the following season 13th, those stats are here because you brought it up, as I was talking actual playing style and not just where we ended up.

And you claim liverpool were two times reigning champs of Europe, wrong as that was the mighty Notts Forrest who won it 78/79, 79/80
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I've missed the reigning champions and two times EC champions as Liverpool won the domestic title in 77/78.

Even moreso we finished 2nd in an era when teams like Forest and Liverpool were pretty good both domestically and in Europe.

Care to show us how Liverpool's style was much better than some of ours during that time?

Liverpool often finished 7th and 8th during their barren run.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I'm actually convinced that those who signed up after Ole was hired with his name in their username are only defending him because they'll feel like idiots if he's fired for picking the name. It was the same with LvG and Jose, as I recall.

It's probably like someone being given the name Adolf in the 20's or 30's and then defending him because they feel they have to. "Yeah come on the Nazi's aren't that bad, Hitler can only do so much with what he's given lads!"
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I actually think that 50% of the "Ole In" fans in here support another team and are just taking the piss . There were some boos at half time yesterday so match going fans are starting to break .
 
The general point about people comparing the first few years of the Fergie era always gets lost by people for me. I don't think the people that say it are ever trying to say that that is going to happen again, it's more a point that you can't always judge a manager at the start.

People also talk about Fergie earning time due to his spell at Aberdeen blah blah blah. It's all hindsight bollocks. If this forum existed back then without the knowledge of what was to come, I bet you very few people would be saying that.

Of the problems at the club, the board and the quality of the squad are bigger problems than the manager so regardless of whether Ole is here for the long term or not, I wouldn't exactly expect much in the near future.
 
passing-wind said:
I'm not even sure what Klopp's involvement with my above comment has to do with anything he's done in his infancy at Liverpool but I'll entertain this notion. Depends how you want to go about dissecting a managers capabilities, let's just ignore everything that Klopp already did with Dortmund, his coaching philosophy and ethos as a manager long before stepping into Liverpool to the degree our own Sir Alex predicted he'd win the league on the premise of what he had seen outside of England.

Considering Klopp took over in October and Ole not too dissimilar a period under Jose, Solskjaer finished 6th so we will consider that his first season if it's also considered the same for Klopps. Jürgen was also able to reach the Europa League finals and a league cup final in that period. That means he has context to his résumé, he didn't win those competitions but there's enough of a platform to see how Liverpool could improve under his management he's already earning his time.

Solskjaer has finished 6th, it would be inconsequential to give him time without a top 4 finish for a variety of reasons namingly recruitment, the perceived direction of the club and after spending 140 million, to not have any viable domestic progression will render us in a position of decline since appointing him.

There is no comparison between Klopp's infancy at Liverpool and Solskjaer's because Klopp's managerial career didn't start in England it began in the Germany. He already had a reputation from his prior success which gained him notability around Europe. Klopp becoming who he has (the best manager in the world) means he has fulfilled his potential as a manager. Potential means your showing signs of something great but it's not quite manifested itself at oresent. In Solskjaer's 10 year career he hasn't shown the potential to do anything remotely noteworthy in world football.

The analogy I can use best to define this ridiculous comparison is like assessing the fastest driver on bumper cars and comparing them to Michael Schumacher.
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100% Right

Comparing Klopp to Solskjaer(after the laughing stopped)outside the bizarro world of the cafe would automatically label you a football idiot, it's like comparing Troy Deeney to Ronaldo.
 
"Our net spend has been around 80m pounds. More than enough to give to a rookie manager and expect progress and to mount a top 4 challenge. "

No. Our net spend was 65M pounds. See https://www.transferleague.co.uk/ma...sh-football-teams/manchester-united-transfers

But our net investment was a mere 25M given the loss of Herrera conservatively estimated at 40M pounds. The rebuilding claim is nothing more than a smokescreen. 25M is not enough to keep pace with our rivals.
 
Enigma_87 said:
20m for James, 50 for AWB and 80 for Maguire alongside 10m for Mejbri makes it roughly 160m spent.

We received roughly 75m pounds for Lukaku and you can probably add up to 80m pounds with deals for Darmian and Smalling (loan)

Our net spend has been around 80m pounds. More than enough to give to a rookie manager and expect progress and to mount a top 4 challenge.

Transfermarkd has Lukaku at 65m EUR at a lower valuation and say that we are at 89.5m EUR net.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985
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So....your saying Ole DID spend enough money? Which is interesting because most of the criticisms of Ole seems to be that he didn't spend enough money?
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
Bruce has done pretty well. Not good enough for us, but still a solid job. Hughes has been mixed and I don't rate him highly tactically. Although he did better than I expected at Stoke. The rest not so much.
Ole did well in Norway.
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TRUERED89 said:
86-87 (11th)
87-88 (2nd)
88-89 (11th)
89-90 (13th)
90-91 (6th)

Where has 21st come from ?
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There were more teams in the league then
 
Lentwood said:
So....your saying Ole DID spend enough money? Which is interesting because most of the criticisms of Ole seems to be that he didn't spend enough money?
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I'm saying you can't expect the board to give a complete nobody 200-300m pounds just because he's smiling.

He is criticized for how he spent it and choosing not to address certain positions and not to reinforce certain positions.
 
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