The “Ole In” Brigade

[iKeano]

The Olé in brigade are deluded. Same 'top reds' that supported the mediocrity of Moyes, the madness of LVG & the depression of Mourinho.
Blindly encouraging the medicority is not something to be admired - it breeds this mess we're in.

Olé thinks he's Fergie and can do his "it's Spurs" team talk. Difference is, Fergie had a squad of winners, Olé has a squad of frauds.

Olé is a club legend, but a manager or tactician he is not.

 

[Judas]

Most probably.

After a bright start Maguire has descended to the mediocrity the rest of the team are in.

James hasn't scored since mid September and has 6 goals/assist since the last 16 games or 1350 mins(one goal/assist every 225 mins).

AWB form has gone downwards and his attacking output is as we expected - minimal at best.

All in all 150m pounds spend in the Summer has not improved us much currently/

Do you not see the pattern that players start bright and get worse the more time they have with our coaching? It's not a coincidence that everyone ends up looking worse. They were better before the settled in, that's madness, but it seemingly is how it goes with this club currently.

 

[Judge Red]

As Raiola said, we’d ruin Messi. We ruined Maguire in under a month.

There’s no point in buying anyone outside of the Championship because that’s the level we turn everyone into.

 

[el3mel]

I have the same opinion on some of the Ole out crowd When we lose he is a nothing manager, when we spank City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Leicester, etc it is a non event. Those guys would have sacked both SAF and Klopp after their first season or two.

I gave him credit whenever we had a good win and even tried to be positive few times, but it's not working. I have had enough of false downs. On the contrary, I yet to see a single Ole in criticize him for a poor performance, it's always the crap players or Woodward. Excuses are always ready, oh and the never ending mentioning SAF. Apparently any manager will turn to SAF if given 5 years. Give Steve Bruce 5 years and he will be the new Fergie/Klopp. Probably the weakest excuse used.

He will be gone and as I said his supporters will say any good work done by the next manager is thanks to Ole foundation. They will never admit they were wrong after spending 6 months of excuses after excuses after excuses.

 

[JPRouve]

Do you not see the pattern that players start bright and get worse the more time they have with our coaching? It's not a coincidence that everyone ends up looking worse. They were better before the settled in, that's madness, but it seemingly is how it goes with this club currently.

We see it but in 18 months some will have no problem claiming that we need an overhaul and that the likes of AWB and Maguire are deadwood.

 

[tenpoless]

I'm starting to think all the "Ole in" who are still trying hard to defend him is just wumming at this point.

 

[el3mel]

Haven't a clue what it would cost but we have a squad with Shaw Jones Lingard Mata Matic Pereira Bailly Young and probably more who all need to be replaced .

If the squad was that shite how did it gave Ole his honeymoon period which landed him the job then?

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Do you not see the pattern that players start bright and get worse the more time they have with our coaching? It's not a coincidence that everyone ends up looking worse. They were better before the settled in, that's madness, but it seemingly is how it goes with this club currently.

Yeah it is a clear pattern with us. Same under Mourinho although that could be him falling out with players. With Lindelöf it was the other way around to be fair and Fred took time before he got going too.

Under Ole though everything is getting worse by the minute really.

 

[Enigma_87]

James hasn't scored since August 31th. He has been on a run of 4 months and a week with no goal and counting. He's challenging Lingard for the record of not scoring apparently.

ah, yes, that makes it even worse!

Every comparison that has Lingard in it speaks volumes...

Do you not see the pattern that players start bright and get worse the more time they have with our coaching? It's not a coincidence that everyone ends up looking worse. They were better before the settled in, that's madness, but it seemingly is how it goes with this club currently.

The only positive that the "Ole in" brigade was singing this season was the recruitment over the summer. They started bright and currently are struggling just like any other "deadwood".

The even more funny thing is that currently our best midfielder(bar Pogba) is Matic - the one who Ole tried to get out of the door up until very recently.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Haven't a clue what it would cost but we have a squad with Shaw Jones Lingard Mata Matic Pereira Bailly Young and probably more who all need to be replaced .

Replaced yeah, but Ole would probably sanction selling them with no replacements.

And some of you would actually praise him for it

 

[OleBoiii]

The mighty Leicester who finished 14 points off us last season are suddenly way ahead of us after we spent £80m on their CB. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Google "outlier".

I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.

But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept

 

[Massive Spanner]

Google "outlier".

I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.

But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept

Google "deluded".

What the feck is the bolded part even supposed to mean? Obviously teams finish where they belong. We belong where we are because we are managed by possibly the worst manager in the PL. If we had a better manager, we'd belong higher up the table. That's how these things work.

You keep getting refuted on points and then just trying to make some other random, irrelevant point instead of actually attempting to stand by what you said, it's weird and stupid.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Google "deluded".

His new username is "OleBoiii" for fecks sake

 

[Massive Spanner]

His new username is "OleBoiii" for fecks sake

I'm actually convinced that those who signed up after Ole was hired with his name in their username are only defending him because they'll feel like idiots if he's fired for picking the name. It was the same with LvG and Jose, as I recall.

It's probably like someone being given the name Adolf in the 20's or 30's and then defending him because they feel they have to. "Yeah come on the Nazi's aren't that bad, Hitler can only do so much with what he's given lads!"

 

[JPRouve]

Google "outlier".

I'm pretty sure that if you look at the top 6 of the past 20 years, then 90% of teams will end up where they belong on paper, +/- one spot.

But sure... Leicester proves that Solskjær is inept

The problem with Ole is that nothing in his +10 years career suggests that he is apt to manage a PL club and nothing in his PL career as a manager suggests that he is apt to continue. Now people can have blind faith, I won't have any issue with that but there is no rational argument in favour of Ole being a suitable manager for Manchester United, it's something that he needs to demonstrate and he hasn't yet.

 

[OleBoiii]

Google "deluded".

What the feck is the bolded part even supposed to mean? Obviously teams finish where they belong. We belong where we are because we are managed by possibly the worst manager in the PL. If we had a better manager, we'd belong higher up the table. That's how these things work.

You keep getting refuted on points and then just trying to make some other random, irrelevant point instead of actually attempting to stand by what you said, it's weird and stupid.

You haven't refuted a single point.

And I disagree that a coach like Klopp or Pep would do significantly better with this squad. Every team they've finished top 4 with so far has had a significantly stronger squad.

 

[matt10000]

Replaced yeah, but Ole would probably sanction selling them with no replacements.

And some of you would actually praise him for it

No Ole would not sanction it.

Giving Ole stick is easy, but this squad is so thin it's suffering from malnutrition. Lindelhof, Jones, Pereira, Lingard....did Ole sign them? Even Jesus Christ himself would struggle to perform a miracle with that bunch of so called footballers. Seven years now of a shambles of a transfer policy of buying crap and paying them such high wages we can't get rid of them because they don't want to take a paycut to move on. Is any of that Ole's fault? Sacking another manager would mean going back to square one....again. No. It's time for the man who has overseen this shambles to be given his P45.

 

[tenpoless]

His new username is "OleBoiii" for fecks sake

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Ole In

I'm not an expert, but I've been watching and playing football since the early 90's. I've read countless articles and books, including the book of my biggest idol, Fergie. Based on this, I'm not at all convinced that the manager is the problem. I genuinely believe that both Klopp and Pep would struggle to make top 4 with this squad. Especially with Pogba out for practically the whole season so far.

Even successful coaches like Fergie and Pep will admit that good results primarily depend on the squad at your disposal. How many PL titles did Fergie win where he didn't have the best or second best squad on paper? I'd argue zero. Leicester is practically the only exception in the PL era.

On paper, where does this squad(minus Pogba) rank? 5th? 6th? Well that's where we are right now. And we are still in all the cups. I will agree that we have dropped an unnecessary amount of points, but I think most of these can be blamed on individual defensive errors and poor finishing, rather than wrong tactics or bad man-management.

I think the main reason for why people want Ole out is because he's largely unproven. Every small setback becomes fuel to the fire for the Ole Out Brigade. Had Klopp been in charge and gotten the same poor results, then people would be significantly more patient. I can sort of understand this perspective, but there is one problem: if a proven manager probably would struggle just as much as Ole, then why does his current struggles somehow prove that he is not up to the task? Just as we can't prove that Ole is right for the job, you can't prove that he's not.

Before kicking out a club legend, ask yourself these questions:

1. Where does this squad rank without Pogba?
2. Let's say you answer "5th" to the question above: how many spots on the table should a top manager manage to climb?
3. How much blame can you put on Solskjær for us not signing any midfielders last summer?
4. How much is Solskjær to blame for the injuries on important players(Pogba, Martial, McTominay, Maguire, AWB)?
5. How much is Solskjær to blame for individual player mistakes and poor finishing costing us valuable points?

In summary
- Have his transfers been poor? No, they've been very good actually.
- Is our position on the table significantly worse than expected? No, we're right about where we belong.
- Do the players seem to dislike him? No, the opposite actually.

Because of this, I simply can't justify being "Ole Out" at this stage. And until at least one of the three statements above is true, I will remain Ole In. At least for another year or so.

You have solid points but If you think there's nothing wrong with tactics then that's just a terrible opinion. Ole's tactics is the biggest reason people want him out.

You're right, I don't think any other coach like Guardiola or Klopp can even have us above 5th but they would have us playing cohesively and they don't need a year to do that. Ole has had a year now and the only thing he has set up this side to do appropriately is counter attack which is a basic tactic.

If you blame the players and say they are not good enough to play any other thing then what about Leeds, or Borrusia Monchengladbach or Sheffield. We all know we have a better squad than these teams yet they are playing cohesively and better football than us even thought we in a higher league position than them and.

If you blame it on the injuries we've had then I can mention a couple of games were we had a full squad and a better squad than the opponent and still did not look like a properly coached team.

As proven as they were LVG, Mourinho and Moyes never produced good football with the squad they had and people criticised them for that. Ole is just another manager in that list. Because we've failed 3 times does not mean we can't get it wrong again. Because Ole has good ideas for the future, or he promotes youth or he has an average or young and inconsistent squad or has been unlucky with injuries does not excuse his inability to coach a team. It does not excuse the fact that after a year of his reign the only thing he has set up this side to play appropriately is counter attacks. When you think about it, what more did we expect from a man that relegated Cardiff and spent most of his coaching career in Molde

 

[Massive Spanner]

You haven't refuted a single point.

And I disagree that a coach like Klopp or Pep would do significantly better with this squad. Every team they've finished top 4 with so far has had a significantly stronger squad.

Then your post is an idiot.

It's hilarious that you lot keep bringing up Klopp, a manager who took over a Liverpool side in an even worse situation than us, with an even worse squad than us, and consistently improved them year on year. By the same stage as Ole, with less money spent, Klopp was well on course for a top four finish!

I mean, how many straws can you possibly clutch at?

All you have left to do now is bring up the one about Sir Alex struggling in his first three years too, oh maybe mention that Ole wasn't backed, or how about his great sig.. no wait you said that one. Actually you could blame the players instead.. wait, nope, said that one too. Um, oh, we got wins against a few big sides in between getting beaten by the terrible ones, nope, you said that too. Ah, you'll think of something!

 

[Jambalaya]

I'm actually convinced that those who signed up after Ole was hired with his name in their username are only defending him because they'll feel like idiots if he's fired for picking the name. It was the same with LvG and Jose, as I recall.

It's probably like someone being given the name Adolf in the 20's or 30's and then defending him because they feel they have to. "Yeah come on the Nazi's aren't that bad, Hitler can only do so much with what he's given lads!"

I thin they are mostly opp fans or WUMs.

 

[Jim Beam]

Maybe one day we as a club will figure out that proper system/coaching is more important than just individual quality, especially in today's football. That is the problem most have with Ole atm (not just the results). The system doesn't look in place after more than a year or what has been put presented on the field looks far from convincing. The only constant thing is that we seem to pile more deadwood with each passing month along with our inability to play well when we're denied space upfront.

Am against sacking just for the sake of it, but if this board isn't in the process of evaluating other options and thinking about different approach/structure going forward then they are really clueless as most people here already think.

 

[Deleted 112447]

I gave him credit whenever we had a good win and even tried to be positive few times, but it's not working. I have had enough of false downs. On the contrary, I yet to see a single Ole in criticize him for a poor performance, it's always the crap players or Woodward. Excuses are always ready, oh and the never ending mentioning SAF. Apparently any manager will turn to SAF if given 5 years. Give Steve Bruce 5 years and he will be the new Fergie/Klopp. Probably the weakest excuse used.

He will be gone and as I said his supporters will say any good work done by the next manager is thanks to Ole foundation. They will never admit they were wrong after spending 6 months of excuses after excuses after excuses.

I have the same feeling after such a game, we all do. As far as obvious mistakes, the games against Newcastle and West Ham come to mind not just for the results but the performance given the opposition, i think he got something very wrong there but i don't have the patience to re watch them to see exactly what. There are however a number of good games against better opposition imo that make me think he does know what he's doing. The transfers were also decent if too expensive.

We'l he be a SAF or Klopp, probably not but that's not the point. The point is that doing a major rebuild takes time and it's painful. You go from great wins like we did against city a few weeks ago to painful defeats like yesterday. There is no such thing as a false down, it's just the inconsistency of a young team during a rebuild; it happened to all the managers that have attempted this.

Mourinho was fired because he had 400 some million to build his own team, 3 defenders, 2 mids, 4 attackers and the team was 14 some points of top 4 and playing abysmal football every game. Ole is not even close to that; not in terms of building his team nor in being in free fall in terms of results.

I don't know if he'll succeed, all i know is that if we all agree the squad is crap due to unbelievable bad player acquisitions during LVG and Mou, wait for the "he is a nothing manager" type of stuff until he gets a few more players of his own in. If this time next year we are the same then OleOut. He tends to go after younger more determined players so worse case scenario we will have a young team ready for another manager instead of the old farts that Mourinho left us with.

 

[Lentwood]

Ole, like every other manager is trying to do both what is right for himself and the club, don't kid yourself.

If it goes well for himself it goes well for the club. Currently he's losing the club a shit load of money.

Do you think Jose was doing what was best for the club? I'm not 100% sure about that to be honest. I think Jose was looking out for Jose, certainly in that final season.

Again, just my personal opinion. Clearly, Jose's the better coach/tactician but I'm not sure that's the be all and end all nowadays

 

[Di Maria's angel]

To all the clowns on here slagging Ole . We could have Pep and we would still be shit because our club is run by complete idiot's . We have spent close to a billion in 7/8 years yet we have a top 10 squad .

Jones Lindalof Young Rojo Pereira Lingard Matic Mata all players simply not good enough to play for our club .

We could have any manager and they would struggle . Tell me any manager who could make any of the above mentioned better. We probably won't sign anyone in January and if we don't I can say now we are truly fecked !

I will go as far to say if we don't sign any players in this January window I for the 1st time in 20 years will not renew my season ticket because it shows me how little the owners actually care about our great club .

feck the Glazers they are total parasites

It's rather confusing posters like yourself and many others can identify bad players in seconds but can't identify a bad manager.

 

[devilish]

To be fair, Jones was given a new contract while Ole will still interim manager, so I doubt he had any influence on that.

Mata I'm guessing was a case of the club realising they weren't going to get the midfield targets they wanted and keeping him around to make up the numbers.

Oh I assure you mate, Ole had a big say in what was going on long before he became a permanent manager. In fact the deal was done and dusted long before it was announced. Ole wanted players who 'understood' what playing for Manchester United meant. That was basically British players in his books. In fact he would have kept all British players at the club if he could (Smalling wanted out). Jones remained because....erm....British.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Did he ? 1st season aside we where shit under Jose . I remember going to OT watching a group of players not wanting to play and I remember when Jose left watching the best football since Ferguson times ..

I'm not saying Ole has got what it takes but what I am saying is we could have Pep and not even he could have that side playing well regularly.

We need a huge turn around of playing staff at the club and hopefully we do more of that in this January window

When was this?

 

[el3mel]

I have the same feeling after such a game, we all do. As far as obvious mistakes, the games against Newcastle and West Ham come to mind not just for the results but the performance given the opposition, i think he got something very wrong there but i don't have the patience to re watch them to see exactly what. There are however a number of good games against better opposition imo that make me think he does know what he's doing. The transfers were also decent if too expensive.

We'l he be a SAF or Klopp, probably not but that's not the point. The point is that doing a major rebuild takes time and it's painful. You go from great wins like we did against city a few weeks ago to painful defeats like yesterday. There is no such thing as a false down, it's just the inconsistency of a young team during a rebuild; it happened to all the managers that have attempted this.

Mourinho was fired because he had 400 some million to build his own team, 3 defenders, 2 mids, 4 attackers and the team was 14 some points of top 4 and playing abysmal football every game. Ole is not even close to that; not in terms of building his team nor in being in free fall in terms of results.

I don't know if he'll succeed, all i know is that if we all agree the squad is crap due to unbelievable bad player acquisitions during LVG and Mou, wait for the "he is a nothing manager" type of stuff until he gets a few more players of his own in. If this time next year we are the same then OleOut. He tends to go after younger more determined players so worse case scenario we will have a young team ready for another manager instead of the old farts that Mourinho left us with.

Mourinho and LvG got 300-400m to spend because they did well in their first season that they deserved more money to spend. In their first season both spent 150m, the same sum of money Ole had spent last summer and in Mourinho first season we also only brought 4 signings, the 4th one was free (Zlatan), so he isn't treated any different from the rest of the previous managers. He spent as much as them in their first market. The problem is he doesn't look he deserves any more seasons with how godawful this one is going on, unlike the first season of both LvG and Mourinho who warranted them getting second market (and they also didn't spend anything more than 150m in their second market btw).

I'm fine with a rebuild job and being patient but not under Ole. For me he's out of his depth and not good enough to supervise such a rebuilding job. This season hasn't proved anything from that perspective. I will be in favor for a rebuild job under a better manager who is more experienced in it. No one is saying we don't need a rebuild or the current squad isn't good enough (even though a big reason of it being not good enough is the last market in which we fecked up the squad by mass selling under the supervision of Ole), it's that he's not suitable for this rebuild job and giving him more time and money isn't going to do anything, gonna be just a waste of time. Let us rebuild under a better manager, that's all.

 

[Paxi]

When oppo fans sign up and pretend to be Ole acolytes -- you know, Ole is a joke and its time to sack him.

 

[Havak]

I'm still of the same opinion as before.

Ole isn't the man to take us to the next level, but the overall work for the club he's doing is OK. I like the signings and agree with the players being let go. I don't see any need to sack him this season as it's more about other things IMO, for now. Although, I would put out the argument that maybe a better manager could get us to finish 4th this season? I'm not fully sure if a new manager bounce would be enough or if it would eventually effect things negatively, who knows.

Still, I think Poch coming in over Ole in the Summer is the only call to make in terms of managerial change (the board won't change, so I'll stop hampering on about that). I believe Poch can continue Ole's strategy but at a higher quality level. I still stand firm that Ole will have done a lot of the groundwork and Poch will benefit massively us getting rid of a lot of the dross and prima donna's. I still think it's a year or two before we're a consistent Champion's League quality side. I'm less bothered than most fans, I've enjoyed only success for most of my time supporting United (I'm just turning 31 now), so I can deal with a bit of this. I knew it wouldn't always be dandy the whole time.

 

[TRUERED89]

When was this?

Ole's run before being made permanent.

 

[Deleted 112447]

Mourinho and LvG got 300-400m to spend because they did well in their first season that they deserved more money to spend. In their first season both spent 150m, the same sum of money Ole had spent last summer and in Mourinho first season we also only brought 4 signings, the 4th one was free (Zlatan), so he isn't treated any different from the rest of the previous managers. He spent as much as them in their first market. The problem is he doesn't look he deserves any more seasons with how godawful this one is going on, unlike the first season of both LvG and Mourinho who warranted them getting second market (and they also didn't spend anything more than 150m in their second market btw).

I'm fine with a rebuild job and being patient but not under Ole. For me he's out of his depth and not good enough to supervise such a rebuilding job. This season hasn't proved anything from that perspective. I will be in favor for a rebuild job under a better manager who is more experienced in it. No one is saying we don't need a rebuild or the current squad isn't good enough (even though a big reason of it being not good enough is the last market in which we fecked up the squad by mass selling under the supervision of Ole), it's that he's not suitable for this rebuild job and giving him more time and money isn't going to do anything, gonna be just a waste of time. Let us rebuild under a better manager, that's all.

LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.

 

[TRUERED89]

I'm still of the same opinion as before.

Ole isn't the man to take us to the next level, but the overall work for the club he's doing is OK. I like the signings and agree with the players being let go. I don't see any need to sack him this season as it's more about other things IMO, for now. Although, I would put out the argument that maybe a better manager could get us to finish 4th this season? I'm not fully sure if a new manager bounce would be enough or if it would eventually effect things negatively, who knows.

Still, I think Poch coming in over Ole in the Summer is the only call to make in terms of managerial change (the board won't change, so I'll stop hampering on about that). I believe Poch can continue Ole's strategy but at a higher quality level. I still stand firm that Ole will have done a lot of the groundwork and Poch will benefit massively us getting rid of a lot of the dross and prima donna's. I still think it's a year or two before we're a consistent Champion's League quality side. I'm less bothered than most fans, I've enjoyed only success for most of my time supporting United (I'm just turning 31 now), so I can deal with a bit of this. I knew it wouldn't always be dandy the whole time.

A bit? 7 bloody years. Would other fan bases from elite clubs accept this? We've all seen mostly success, does that mean we drop standards and become irrelevant like AC Milan? We've already become a top 4 trophy club like Arsenal, what next? A 30 year barren run without a PL like the scouse ?

 

[el3mel]

LVG finished 4th in his first season and Mou finished 6th (winning the league cup and Europa). At the time of writing we are 5th (so in between) with a decent chance (close enough in points) to finish 4th and still part of all the cup competitions. So by your definition of managers deserving more money then Ole qualifies. Don't get me wrong, if we finish 8th or something then i'll be ok with searching for a new manager, but now he has done nothing less then the other two in their first seasons. It's really the big names that they have vs Ole that i think makes it such an unfair situation right now with the treatment he is getting from some fans. If his name was Poch i don't think he would have gotten 10% of the online abuse as he does now.

If the board backs him this window i'm reasonably confident he will do better then Mourinho in his first PL season with less money spent.

Of course if he finishes 4th or win EL everyone will say he deserves a second season, however it doesn't look like any one of both will occur considering how crap we have been in majority of our games and even the games against big teams which we were doing well in, they are starting to know the only trick of our play and we got totally dominated in the last 2 of them.

Both in LvG and Mourinho first seasons there were clear signs of improvement not just in terms of results but in terms of football played. LvG had the team hanging around 3rd and 4th by this time in his first season and had a two 6 wins strikes during the season including the famous one with City, Pool and Spurs. The team was playing a pretty good football and he even managed a big injury crisis in his first half of the season pretty well and won 6 games in a row including against Arsenal away. Mourinho had the team playing great football and wasting shite ton of chances per game and we were unlucky to lose many points in draws, won the league cup and we were progressing through the season through EL and won it eventually. His signings were all successful at this time and the football played was encouraging, beside the trophies.

Meanwhile in this season we are playing crap football, showed clear attacking intent in only 3 games or so this season, our only trick is to defend and counter, (a style of play that was hated till Ole came and suddenly it's good enough) and the squad has regressed badly after the summer he got, with his signings also regressing as the season goes on. There is nothing in thwt air that can convince anyone that the future is positive or we are progressing, not the football, not the result, not the squad, nothing! A feeling that was never present in the first season of the previous 2 managers which the positively around the future was always around. More like anything this feels like the last season of LvG or Mourinho which that it's inevitable he is going to get sacked at one point.

 

[pastyfool]

It was Ole's decision not to replace Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini and Herrera.
I don’t think he said to the board 'please don’t buy anyone, what we have is good enough’. I think things are a little deeper than that.

It was Ole's decision to go into the season relying on 18 year old Mason Greenwood.
Ole has been relying on Rashford and Martial in attack. Greenwood hasn’t been starting every game so to say that Ole has been relying on him is a bit of a stretch.

It was Ole's decision to blow £85 million on Maguire when there were cheaper alternatives available.
Didn’t Mourinho try to bring him to the club the season before? (I might be wrong there). Of course there are plenty of cheaper options out there but does cheaper mean better? I think without Maguire we’d be in a worst position.

It was Ole's decision to keep shoehorning underperforming players like Lingard and Pereira into the side.
From the current squad/injuries who would you play in their places?

Ole has no experience of managing a world class side.
This is true. But Utd are currently not a world class. World famous yes but not world class. Do you know who has managed world class sides? LVG and Mourinho and they both failed here.

Ole has no tactical nous of breaking down teams that sit deep.
If he had only played under one of the worlds greatest managers he might of picked up a thing or two...

Ole does not know how to coach an attacking mentality into the players.
See my answer above.

Ole is responsible for us having the lowest points total at this stage in over 30 years. Worse than Moyes, LVG, Jose.
Moyes took over a Championship winning side.
LVG brought in 13 players at a cost of £258.5m
Jose brought in 11 players at a cost of £391.5m

Ole so far has brought in 3 players at a cost of £140m (all I think have improved us).
But most importantly he’s been getting rid of a lot of players that won’t take us forward.

Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.

 

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Of course if he finishes 4th or win EL everyone will say he deserves a second season, however it doesn't look like any one of both will occur considering how crap we have been in majority of our games and even the games against big teams which we were doing well in, they are starting to know the only trick of our play and we got totally dominated in the last 2 of them.

Both in LvG and Mourinho first seasons there were clear signs of improvement not just in terms of results but in terms of football played. LvG had the team hanging around 3rd and 4th by this time in his first season and had a two 6 wins strikes during the season including the famous one with City, Pool and Spurs. The team was playing a pretty good football and he even managed a big injury crisis in his first half of the season pretty well and won 6 games in a row including against Arsenal away. Mourinho had the team playing great football and wasting shite ton of chances per game and we were unlucky to lose many points in draws, won the league cup and we were progressing through the season through EL and won it eventually. His signings were all successful at this time and the football played was encouraging, beside the trophies.

Meanwhile in this season we are playing crap football, showed clear attacking intent in only 3 games or so this season, our only trick is to defend and counter, (a style of play that was hated till Ole came and suddenly it's good enough) and the squad has regressed badly after the summer he got, with his signings also regressing as the season goes on. There is nothing in thwt air that can convince anyone that the future is positive or we are progressing, not the football, not the result, not the squad, nothing! A feeling that was never present in the first season of the previous 2 managers which the positively around the future was always around. More like anything this feels like the last season of LvG or Mourinho which that it's inevitable he is going to get sacked at one point.

You make some good points. My own point is that we are well within reach of our realistic objectives, top 4 and possibly a cup so this is a time for support if we can (in the market) and not to reset. Just wanted to write why i'm OleIn, not to convince anyone that they are wrong or right.

Let me ask you something. It is a reach i know, but given the lack of depth in some positions, do you think that had we had a fit Pogba and Martial for the season we could have had 5 or 6 more points at this point? I think it was a massive blow to lose Pogba with no other player capable of recreating his creativity and goal threat from mid.

 

[b82REZ]

You had me until Formula One.

Unless you're talking about us going around in circles dead fast... in which case i'd be intrigued how you dragged that out over 8 paragraphs... I'm back in.

 

[el3mel]

You make some good points. My own point is that we are well within reach of our realistic objectives, top 4 and possibly a cup so this is a time for support if we can (in the market) and not to reset. Just wanted to write why i'm OleIn, not to convince anyone that they are wrong or right.

Let me ask you something. It is a reach i know, but given the lack of depth in some positions, do you think that had we had a fit Pogba and Martial for the season we could have had 5 or 6 more points at this point? I think it was a massive blow to lose Pogba with no other player capable of recreating his creativity and goal threat from mid.

I'm not sure about Pogba. He had played in our pretty poor period during the end of last season and didn't seem to matter much. He's a player who plays well when the rest of the team is doing well, not someone who raises a team above its own level. Martial might have helped though, even though he's not typically a goal scoring machine, but Rashford was having a shocker back and Martial could have helped.

But at the end of the day you know injuries are part of football. It's impossible to approach a season having your best players fit through the whole season, or always having a well ready replacement for each big player injured. As a manager you always have to deal with injury crises.

 

[b82REZ]

It was Ole's decision not to replace Lukaku, Sanchez, Fellaini and Herrera.
I don’t think he said to the board 'please don’t buy anyone, what we have is good enough’. I think things are a little deeper than that.

It was Ole's decision to go into the season relying on 18 year old Mason Greenwood.
Ole has been relying on Rashford and Martial in attack. Greenwood hasn’t been starting every game so to say that Ole has been relying on him is a bit of a stretch.

It was Ole's decision to blow £85 million on Maguire when there were cheaper alternatives available.
Didn’t Mourinho try to bring him to the club the season before? (I might be wrong there). Of course there are plenty of cheaper options out there but does cheaper mean better? I think without Maguire we’d be in a worst position.

It was Ole's decision to keep shoehorning underperforming players like Lingard and Pereira into the side.
From the current squad/injuries who would you play in their places?

Ole has no experience of managing a world class side.
This is true. But Utd are currently not a world class. World famous yes but not world class. Do you know who has managed world class sides? LVG and Mourinho and they both failed here.

Ole has no tactical nous of breaking down teams that sit deep.
If he had only played under one of the worlds greatest managers he might of picked up a thing or two...

Ole does not know how to coach an attacking mentality into the players.
See my answer above.

Ole is responsible for us having the lowest points total at this stage in over 30 years. Worse than Moyes, LVG, Jose.
Moyes took over a Championship winning side.
LVG brought in 13 players at a cost of £258.5m
Jose brought in 11 players at a cost of £391.5m

Ole so far has brought in 3 players at a cost of £140m (all I think have improved us).
But most importantly he’s been getting rid of a lot of players that won’t take us forward.

Utd currently have 31pts and are 5th in the league.
At this stage during the 1989–90 season (does that fit into 'over 30 years'?) Utd had 24pts and were 15th in the league.

The then manager was?
Buzz if you know the answer.

Comparing Solksjaer to Fergie should be a bannable offence.

Also making the assumption he'll be a good manager because he played under Fergie is delusion of the highest order. I mean how did it work out for Bruce, Hughes, Keane, Ince, Robson...

 

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I'm not sure about Pogba. He had played in our pretty poor period during the end of last season and didn't seem to matter much. He's a player who plays well when the rest of the team is doing well, not someone who rises a team above its own level. Martial might have helped though, even though he's not typically a goal scoring machine, but Rashford was having a shocker back and Martial could have helped.

But at the end of the day you know injuries are part of football. It's impossible to approach a season having your best players fit through the whole season, or always having a well ready replacement for each big player injured. As a manager you always have to deal with injury crises.

I agree and that's why i was gutted when we didn't sign any creative mid last summer. When your mid is McTom, Matic and Fred we were always going to struggle to break teams down; we don't have the great crossing full backs that Liverpool do either, that's why i think Pogba's long term injury has been a massive blow and not having a plan B was such terrible judgment from the board/Ole.