Pep was absolutely ruthless.
Imagine if Jose did the same at MUFC. There'd be a meltdown of epic proportions.
That post match interview with our manager
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Pep was absolutely ruthless.
Imagine if Jose did the same at MUFC. There'd be a meltdown of epic proportions.
The big targetman was Lukaku. Liverpool match wasn't exactly tactical masterclass was it? Allardyce, Dyche, Pulis, Pardew every half decent English manager would have employed the same tactics.
I'll admit I was wrong in calling him a moron but there are plenty of examples of him being a prick, his history is open to all, you just have to google.
There is a difference between moving off players you don't need and keeping them, not supporting them enough and throwing them under the bus as often as possible.
Show me two or three examples of managers currently constantly berating a few of their players constantly to get a "positive reaction" from them. If that type of management worked, there'd be a lot of managers doing it, in England only Mourinho does it, I'm not sure about others.
I feel like his post match interview was directed more to Rashford than Martial. He was clearly fuming at him just like everyone of us. He didn't substitute him because we had nobody else on the bench. Rashford is English media darling ( kinda like Rooney back then ) not Martial.
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His response to defeats are so transparent. All about making sure that his reputation is protected. Usually at the expense of the players reputations. And we all saw what happened at Chelsea once this approach passes the point of no return. Why make an effort for a manager who keeps telling everyone you’re shit?
It’s possible we’ll become a great team despite this but I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that it’s good management, or helpful to our cause.
It’s possible we’ll become a great team despite this but I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that it’s good management, or helpful to our cause.
Why would there? If he had come in and said he didn't fancy several of our players as they didn't fit what he would be attempting to do and so could move on, I think fans would have been far more accepting of it given where we were when he came in.
Instead we seem to have kept everyone, even the dross that everyone knows are not good enough and only sold those who were not happy and asked to move. Just feels like a waste of everyone's time. Jose's, the fans and the players.
That is exactly what I'm saying. He isn't helping our club by picking players to prove a point so that he can tell the media how right he is by leaving them out. Or making us all aware of the fact he has inflicted 2 defeats on us in the CL when being manager for other clubs. How can any fan of our club justify that sort of behaviour, get on his bandwagon, and say the players deserve it. I cannot believe there are so many members on this forum who are prepared to stand by him no matter what.
Hazard on Mourinho’s tactics:
“Chelsea is not made to play football.“
““Often, I’m asked to do it all by myself and it’s not easy.”
“Tactical training. We do more with Conte. We know exactly what to do on the pitch”
“his third season was — how should I say it — a little more complicated. ”
(Talking about Salah leaving Chelsea)
“He’s a top, top, top player. He did not get his chance at Chelsea – maybe because of the manager”
Ronaldo on Mourinho:
"does not know how to admit his own failures"
asked if he liked the kind of football Real played, he said: "No, I don't”
Mourinho had criticised him before the match and Ronaldo responded after his strike by shouting an obscenity at his coach.
Pointing to the ground, he also yelled: "I'm here, I'm here". The suggestion was he did his talking on the pitch rather than off it.
I Juan Mata on Mourinho:
“For better or for worse, we had no relationship, there was no dialogue,"
Ramos on Mourinho
“ I don't think Mourinho has changed my life in football at all."
Casillas and Sergio Ramos are the two players who have stood up to their coach more than the rest and in January, Marca claimed that the pair had told Florentino: "Presi, in June, either Mourinho leaves, or we will”
De Bruyne on Mourinho
"I only spoke with him twice, that's when I wanted to leave to go to Dortmund in the beginning of the summer, and then the second meeting I just said, 'for me it's better to go, I want to play football'."
"I never let anyone put me down. I say what I have to say, with respect of course. But at that moment, I couldn't do anything because he would have said I was lying and afterwards he would have used it.”
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The vast majority of people on here aren’t defending these interviews. Like I said, it’s still possible we could be successful under his management, despite this unhelpful habit he has. But that’s a different discussion.
His time at ManUtd will end up like it was at Madrid and Chelsea. It won't be long before he starts losing dressing room. You can't always blame the players and take 0 responsibilities.
You are making this up. Meltdown after winning the league with record breaking points? Why the feck would there be a meltdown? You think there'll be a meltdown if we sold Valencia, Young, Smalling and Jones? People have been saying they're not good enough for years ffs. Its actually my biggest dissapointment with Jose
When Mourinho came to our club he inherited a group of players who he considered were not good enough to take the club to the level he wanted. The dross as you put it. So why as he kept them? and why does he go out in the media and say Shaw and Damian could even figure in his plans next season? All these players are still there because it suits him to have them there because he wants to give everyone the impression he's the nice guy. Problem is every single one of those players know themselves they are not going to get game time as long as he's the manager. Now and then he throws them into the team, puts them on show for all to see, so we can make fun of Shaw by saying he's overweight and useless and how right the manager is and so on and so on.
That is what really is happening!
Not really true. Schneiderlin, Januzaj, Memphis and Schweinsteiger were all fecked off fairly early days. Four big players that fans were all very hopeful about.
The bit about them not being happy and wanting to leave smacks to me as part of the same desire Mourinho has to distance himself from any potential bad decisions/outcomes you see in the interview this thread is about.
Throwing players under the bus thing, dunno is it a good or a bad thing, i can like it or not. What irks me is double standards just based on few things, we lost vs Brighton and he clearly had a swing at certain players just to highlight that was right for not playing them before, lets say thats fine. Where the feck he was with similar shit when we lost vs West Brom at home, which might be even worse defeat. Oh i know in that game Lukaku, Sanchez played, Fellaini wasnt a creator in midfield 2 etc. Just bullshit all over the place.
I think some are merging issues here. My problem is the public shaming of his playing staff - it creates a negative impression of the club environment and is toxic for young, developing players. No cotton wool here - if they're not good enough and have become entitled, then tell them to their faces. No need for the media to see it. Jose is too worried about what is written and said about him by the media; he is conceited. Ego can be harnessed, personal belief in ones methods is important, even single-mindedness is acceptable but privately. He is our leader, and what we are seeing is not leadership. If he wants to clear players out (like Pep has) then do it and move on. No cameras need to be at the Carrington to see it. After Brighton, he was right to say he was disappointed and not surprised. It was accurate to say that the other team wanted it more. He went too far when he started proving a point about team selection and as always, made it about him.
This is a classic case of a coin having two sides. A lot of people have praised him too. It just depends on how you look at it. Its not like he has not won anything in his career.
Very much spot on.
Don't agree re the amount of people defending the interviews. Looking at the Caf's response regarding the latest one where he threw certain players under the bus, there is a surprising amount of members who think the players deserved to be hung out. Agree with you regarding the other point. Yes that's another discussion!
His response to defeats is one of the most predictable things about Man Utd at the moment. He has a pathological need to separate himself from any failure. His reputation is paramount. He's a bit like Trump in that sense.
I can't get angry about that tbh. We knew that about him before we signed him.
I can't get angry about that tbh. We knew that about him before we signed him.
However we start to see a theme that comes forward from those quotes
a) Mourinho doesn't have time for players who are not in his plans (Mata/De Bruyne/Salah)
b) Attacking talents feel frustrated by the football the team plays (Ronaldo/Hazard)
c)Eventually the players start to dislike him during the end of the tenure (see: His whole career)
Ronaldo's comments are very poignant. And I suspect that's what upsets players the most.
You can't keep blaming players, abslove yourself and think the players will keep fighting for you.
I always thought he was a complete prick. So him becoming our manager wasn’t going to change that. Why would it? I found it weird when people acted shocked at his first few incidents of him acting like a prick. Surely they saw that coming?
I underestimated how tiresome it would get over the long term, though. There’s a drip drip drip of Mourinho being Mourinho that you can only tolerate so long. I just hope the players aren’t going through the exaxt same experience that I am. Because if they are, then the third season implosion seems inevitable.
But a big part of the problem is that we’ve had 3 managers in 5 years. It creates a short term mentality at the club. Like it or not, Players and staff alike don’t fight for the club as much because the sense of longevity is diluted with all the managerial changes.
Our club culture was set by Fergie for 2 decades, now it’s set by the owners and Woodward.
This is where I'm at also. I knew he was miserable before we signed him but it's become exhausting how miserable he really is.
Like any walk in life, enthusiasm plays a great role in shaping perceptions. Rightly or wrongly, that's the way things work. His demeanor and comments constantly betray him. He wonders why people underrate his team when he's the number one culprit.
I can't imagine the players don't get exhausted. His record shows they do. After sometime he stops getting through them.
I have stopped listening to post match press conferences after defeats. I only get to know what has been said,when it's posted on the forum. I also hope the players ignore what he says in public.
Not just inevitable but potentially more damaging than any other post Alex Ferguson manager
That's what I don't like about Mourinho. Slating players in public and not taking any blame himself.
It's why I am so scared of Mourinho failing. I don't have any confidence in Ed knowing what to do.
Only because he’s following from two such utter incompetents. It’s the cumulative mismanagement that will be so damaging. There’s no way you can put more responsibility on him than the previous two (although no doubt you’ll try)
It's also complete nonsense, I mean, if Mourinho was to leave this Summer say, the new manager would be in an infinitely better place than either Moyes or LVG left it. It'd be a dream position for a new manager to walk into United now imho.
Quite possibly yeah, fair point.
Still can't believe how wrong I was about Schneiderlin, but that's for a different thread.
He has only done it when the tolerance level has reached its limit. Players can't get away with such efforts and performances everytime.
it's pretty simple really, he can attack the players all he wants, if he also owns up to his own mistakes and you'll struggle to find many of that over his career.
After going out to Sevilla he basically attacked Utds European pedigree. Instead of taking part of the blame himself.
After going out to Sevilla he basically attacked Utds European pedigree. Instead of taking part of the blame himself.
Moyes was not here long enough and thus his impact was somewhat negated. LVG had reduced our wage bill and left us with a core group of promising players after also getting rid of some of the 'deadwood' that was around for so long.
Under Mourinho there's a great chance that the wage bill will grow, our best young players will leave and we will be left with an aging team who can not produce for much longer.
For example - Mourinho's second stint at Chelsea was probably the most damaging of any manger in recent memory as he got rid of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah while letting the team get older. He increased the wage bill, got in a lot of players on big wages who couldn't be shifted and fell out massively with their best player who almost left as a result.
I can only hope that this proves to be an anomaly in our case. There are players who want to play for him (Lingard, Lukaku, Matic, Valencia, Young, DDG)
Its only Martial and Rashford who are sulking these days. Pogba situation is a bit weird, I really can't comment on that.
Seriously? LVG reduced our wage bill whilst signing the likes of Falcao, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger etc?
You sure about that?
"Whole career" @Wumminator?
Not true for Porto, Chelsea Pt. 1, or Inter.
Also... you're bigging up LVG's tenure yet ignoring that his players always fall out with him too, including a bunch of our current squad that fecking hated his football.
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He's just saying what many already thought. It was way overdue if you ask me.
Not really unbelievable. Lack of understanding of tactics and agendas will result in posts like that.