That post match interview with our manager

[simplyared]

It's also complete nonsense, I mean, if Mourinho was to leave this Summer say, the new manager would be in an infinitely better place than either Moyes or LVG left it. It'd be a dream position for a new manager to walk into United now imho.

You could be right. However this thread is about the atrocious behaviour of our manager in the media and how we as fans react.

 

[maniwin]

Ramos on Mourinho

“ I don't think Mourinho has changed my life in football at all."
Casillas and Sergio Ramos are the two players who have stood up to their coach more than the rest and in January, Marca claimed that the pair had told Florentino: "Presi, in June, either Mourinho leaves, or we will”

”

I don't think that will happen here, the chance of him losing the dressing room is much smaller than at RM or Chelsea. He already got rid of senior player (Rooney and soon Carrick), most of our player are on Mourinho-in team (De Gea, Smalling, Rojo, Lindelof, Valencia, Young, Herrera, Matic, Lukaku, Sanchez, Mctominay etc), the rest isn't strong enough figure to mess with the dressing room.

 

[crossy1686]

We've officially allowed the players to become bigger than the club if we're slating Jose for outlining why they haven't been good enough to play for Manchester United.

 

[Oldyella]

Moyes was not here long enough and thus his impact was somewhat negated. LVG had reduced our wage bill and left us with a core group of promising players after also getting rid of some of the 'deadwood' that was around for so long.

Under Mourinho there's a great chance that the wage bill will grow, our best young players will leave and we will be left with an aging team who can not produce for much longer.

For example - Mourinho's second stint at Chelsea was probably the most damaging of any manger in recent memory as he got rid of Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah while letting the team get older. He increased the wage bill, got in a lot of players on big wages who couldn't be shifted and fell out massively with their best player who almost left as a result.

Moyes broke up a league winning back room team, gave shit teams real belief they could come to OT and believe they could attack and beat us, pissed off the senior players who mostly left before replacements were ready, passed on some great signings that had been lined up, bought the lump on more than his buy out clause, and put rooney on a massive contract.

Thank feck he didn't get longer. Dread to think what the impact would of been if he only had that long.

 

[Sepukku]

I thought his Lukaku comment was kind of unnecessary. But the bigger picture is we have a valuable player in Martial who wants to leave because he is not getting games. I hope i am wrong but i think it's a clear sign that Martial will leave this summer, and he probably had a discussion about this with the club.

Truth is both Martial and Rashford are not playing to the best of their abilities and while I don't value Lukaku that much, but he did have a decent season scoring some goals and creating others. Lukaku is probably the safer option in the long run and deserves to be defended.

We are obviously improving under Jose, there isn't anyone better available right now and the fact he's had success everywhere he went proves that his comments, even if baffling at times, do have some strategy behind them. I think these kind of comments are meant to work on the brain of those criticized, at least that's why he does it.

 

[Ish]

We've officially allowed the players to become bigger than the club if we're slating Jose for outlining why they haven't been good enough to play for Manchester United.

Are people bemaoning a manager being brutally honest here with his players, or are they moaning at the very public manner in which it is done - thereby almost absolving himself of blame/responsibility?

What was preventing him from doing it during an intense open squad session, or even during a 1 on 1 performance feedback session?

For the record, I don't disagree that some of the players need to pull their finger out....but I think how it's done, is as important as why it's done.

 

[MJJ]

Are people bemaoning a manager being brutally honest here with his players, or are they moaning at the very public manner in which it is done - thereby almost absolving himself of blame/responsibility?

What was preventing him from doing it during an intense open squad session, or even during a 1 on 1 performance feedback session?

For the record, I don't disagree that some of the players need to pull their finger out....but I think how it's done, is as important as why it's done.

And it's not even a the players arent good enough, it's more a see i was right not to play these shit players

 

[cyril C]

Well under Mourinho if you don't play well in your one chance then you're out the team. This isn't a secret, Mourinho has effectively said this himself.

To expect a young player to get one start and turn in a World Class performance, otherwise he's out the team, is unrealistic.

Under which manager that a player will continue getting chance despite poor performance? Used to be OK under Wenger but he is OUT.

 

[Ish]

And it's not even a the players arent good enough, it's more a see i was right not to play these shit players

Yeah, I don't really agree with that. You win together, and you lose together.

These players are capable of so much more, IMO, which is probably half of Jose's frustration - but in the end, he is responsible for getting that extra bit out of them.

 

[In Rainbows]

Under which manager that a player will continue getting chance despite poor performance? Used to be OK under Wenger but he is OUT.

Under Mou. Sanchez was putting up bad performance after bad performance and was getting game after game. Lukaku had a period where he was awful and was given game after game. See that's the problem with this entire narrative. Mou is not consistent and I'm sure players can see through his crap. If that's the case, why would those players run through a wall for him?

 

[simplyared]

We've officially allowed the players to become bigger than the club if we're slating Jose for outlining why they haven't been good enough to play for Manchester United.

You aren't getting it!
Every manager has the right and authority to slate his players when they underperform. It's their duty to do it. They do it behind closed doors not in the media FFS! How the hell do you come to the conclusion we are allowing the players to become bigger than the club. Utter nonsense! If there is someone allowing themselves to become bigger than the club it's the manager!!!

 

[simplyared]

To highlight how way off Mourinho is when discussing player performances, motivation, man management or whatever, take a look at the methods of the greatest ever - SAF.
If a player had had a stinker. For example Nani - he could blow hot and cold. Fergy used to say to him after the match. "today you were fecking garbage!" and then follow it up by saying "how can a player with your qualities put in a operformance like that!" Brings tears to my eyes! Thats motivation!!

 

[Jeppers7]

Ronaldo's comments are very poignant. And I suspect that's what upsets players the most.
You can't keep blaming players, abslove yourself and think the players will keep fighting for you.

Indeed.

 

[POF]

It was a really interesting interview because he chose to say that the players aren't that good rather than say that the players didn't play well.

I'm not a huge fan of slating the players in public but I wouldn't argue with Jose doing it if it worked. The worry is he is still doing it this far into his second season and there isn't a single player that this approach has worked on.

Whether it's true or not, the impression is that Jose is doing it to absolve himself of blame rather than improve the team.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

I think that aside from extremely emotional or impulsive situations like eye-poking, accusing the UEFA of being biased, or cursing at a female doctors, pretty much everything Mourinho does is extremely calculated.

He admitted as much himself, to a point where he even explained once that his pointing at the United badge after defeating Chelsea was very much premeditated.

So yeah he might have a big ego and personalities like that can be prone to blame anything and anyone but themselves, but I don’t think it’s the case here. Van Gaal was actually much more like that during his time with us, with his constant excuses and stubborn refusal to change his way and keep playing the same rigid balls possesion oriented tactics. To me this post match interview is more in line with that time last year when Mourinho was calling out the physical toughness and willingness to play through pain of certain players.

He didn’t look extremely emotional and he’s not under a massive amount of pressure currently either, so he was just annoyed and fed up with our result. Not that strange after such a shambolical and uninspiring performance, the players in the line up where again not ready to do whatver it takes to win. Seen this time and time again since SAF retired, under three different managers with different tactics and personalities. Players giving all they have but not being good enough is something we’ve struggled much less with than players having more talent than their opponents but lacking the real desire.

The risk of taking such a hard public stance would obviously be the ‘boy who cried wolve’ effect, but I’m pretty sure that also applies to all the shite performances this season after which the players we’re only called out inside the dressing room, that can get old pretty quickly. After Friday’s game he probably got annoyed and felt it was time to take it to the next level.

As long as Mourinho keeps his emotions in check and doesn’t do this too often I couldn’t give less of a feck actually, but I do understand the concerns of people wondering what will happen if we have a stretch of poor form next season when the pressure for Mourinho to finally deliver is fully on.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Under which manager that a player will continue getting chance despite poor performance? Used to be OK under Wenger but he is OUT.

Under most. Even under United. Smalling and Mata haven't had a good game all season and yet get many more chances than Rashford and Smalling for example

 

[Adisa]

I think that aside from extremely emotional or impulsive situations like eye-poking, accusing the UEFA of being biased, or cursing at a female doctors, pretty much everything Mourinho does is extremely calculated.

He admitted as much himself, to a point where he even explained once that his pointing at the United badge after defeating Chelsea was very much premeditated.

So yeah he might have a big ego and personalities like that can be prone to blame anything and anyone but themselves, but I don’t think it’s the case here. Van Gaal was actually much more like that during his time with us, with his constant excuses and stubborn refusal to change his way and keep playing the same rigid balls possesion oriented tactics. To me this post match interview is more in line with that time last year when Mourinho was calling out the physical toughness and willingness to play through pain of certain players.

He didn’t look extremely emotional and he’s not under a massive amount of pressure currently either, so he was just annoyed and fed up with our result. Not that strange after such a shambolical and uninspiring performance, the players in the line up where again not ready to do whatver it takes to win. Seen this time and time again since SAF retired, under three different managers with different tactics and personalities. Players giving all they have but not being good enough is something we’ve struggled much less with than players having more talent than their opponents but lacking the real desire.

The risk of taking such a hard public stance would obviously be the ‘boy who cried wolve’ effect, but I’m pretty sure that also applies to all the shite performances this season after which the players we’re only called out inside the dressing room, that can get old pretty quickly. After Friday’s game he probably got annoyed and felt it was time to take it to the next level.

As long as Mourinho keeps his emotions in check and doesn’t do this too often I couldn’t give less of a feck actually, but I do understand the concerns of people wondering what will happen if we have a stretch of poor form next season when the pressure for Mourinho to finally deliver is fully on.

Some of the things he does are premeditated, I admit that. However, I really don't think his reactions to defeats are. It doesn't mean he's emotional, I think a lot of it has to do with habit. When you listen to him, he gives the impression of a man who thinks his reputation is constantly under attack (tbf, it kind of is). What I see are the comments of a man that in turn, feels the need to constantly defend himself.
How many times has he brought up the fact that he's won multiple titles or titles in different countries or that players don't have his mentality? You hardly hear Guardiola talk about what he's won before. I think the reasons are simple. Pep's reputation doesn't get the barrage that Mourinho's gets and over time doesn't see the need to be defensive.
That's why he would go through the effort of bringing a list of players he's given opportunities to in his very first PC. When in truth both had equally underwhelming records.

 

[Cantonagotmehere]

I think that aside from extremely emotional or impulsive situations like eye-poking, accusing the UEFA of being biased, or cursing at a female doctors, pretty much everything Mourinho does is extremely calculated.

He admitted as much himself, to a point where he even explained once that his pointing at the United badge after defeating Chelsea was very much premeditated.

So yeah he might have a big ego and personalities like that can be prone to blame anything and anyone but themselves, but I don’t think it’s the case here. Van Gaal was actually much more like that during his time with us, with his constant excuses and stubborn refusal to change his way and keep playing the same rigid balls possesion oriented tactics. To me this post match interview is more in line with that time last year when Mourinho was calling out the physical toughness and willingness to play through pain of certain players.

He didn’t look extremely emotional and he’s not under a massive amount of pressure currently either, so he was just annoyed and fed up with our result. Not that strange after such a shambolical and uninspiring performance, the players in the line up where again not ready to do whatver it takes to win. Seen this time and time again since SAF retired, under three different managers with different tactics and personalities. Players giving all they have but not being good enough is something we’ve struggled much less with than players having more talent than their opponents but lacking the real desire.

The risk of taking such a hard public stance would obviously be the ‘boy who cried wolve’ effect, but I’m pretty sure that also applies to all the shite performances this season after which the players we’re only called out inside the dressing room, that can get old pretty quickly. After Friday’s game he probably got annoyed and felt it was time to take it to the next level.

As long as Mourinho keeps his emotions in check and doesn’t do this too often I couldn’t give less of a feck actually, but I do understand the concerns of people wondering what will happen if we have a stretch of poor form next season when the pressure for Mourinho to finally deliver is fully on.

Great post

 

[Jazz]

I think that aside from extremely emotional or impulsive situations like eye-poking, accusing the UEFA of being biased, or cursing at a female doctors, pretty much everything Mourinho does is extremely calculated.

He admitted as much himself, to a point where he even explained once that his pointing at the United badge after defeating Chelsea was very much premeditated.

So yeah he might have a big ego and personalities like that can be prone to blame anything and anyone but themselves, but I don’t think it’s the case here. Van Gaal was actually much more like that during his time with us, with his constant excuses and stubborn refusal to change his way and keep playing the same rigid balls possesion oriented tactics. To me this post match interview is more in line with that time last year when Mourinho was calling out the physical toughness and willingness to play through pain of certain players.

He didn’t look extremely emotional and he’s not under a massive amount of pressure currently either, so he was just annoyed and fed up with our result. Not that strange after such a shambolical and uninspiring performance, the players in the line up where again not ready to do whatver it takes to win. Seen this time and time again since SAF retired, under three different managers with different tactics and personalities. Players giving all they have but not being good enough is something we’ve struggled much less with than players having more talent than their opponents but lacking the real desire.

The risk of taking such a hard public stance would obviously be the ‘boy who cried wolve’ effect, but I’m pretty sure that also applies to all the shite performances this season after which the players we’re only called out inside the dressing room, that can get old pretty quickly. After Friday’s game he probably got annoyed and felt it was time to take it to the next level.

As long as Mourinho keeps his emotions in check and doesn’t do this too often I couldn’t give less of a feck actually, but I do understand the concerns of people wondering what will happen if we have a stretch of poor form next season when the pressure for Mourinho to finally deliver is fully on.

But the players he's brought in have same problem. So what does that mean?
Plus the players that have been there since SAF are the ones that Mourinho himself seems to trust. So he has no leg to stand on when he's complaining and absolving himself of any responsibility.

 

[Minimalist]

Hazard on Mourinho’s tactics:
“Chelsea is not made to play football.“
““Often, I’m asked to do it all by myself and it’s not easy.”
“Tactical training. We do more with Conte. We know exactly what to do on the pitch”
“his third season was — how should I say it — a little more complicated. ”
(Talking about Salah leaving Chelsea)
“He’s a top, top, top player. He did not get his chance at Chelsea – maybe because of the manager”


Ronaldo on Mourinho:
"does not know how to admit his own failures"
asked if he liked the kind of football Real played, he said: "No, I don't”

Mourinho had criticised him before the match and Ronaldo responded after his strike by shouting an obscenity at his coach.
Pointing to the ground, he also yelled: "I'm here, I'm here". The suggestion was he did his talking on the pitch rather than off it.

That Hazard quote is the one I keep thinking of when I watch our attack.

There is no plan. It's fcuking unforgivable to just assume you can let players 'get on with it'. That's literally what Moyes was accused of telling our subs ("just go out there and run around"). Not every player can do that week after week - they need directon. All athletes need training.

 

[In Rainbows]

That Hazard quote is the one I keep thinking of when I watch our attack.

There is no plan. It's fcuking unforgivable to just assume you can let players 'get on with it'. That's literally what Moyes was accused of telling our subs ("just go out there and run around"). Not every player can do that week after week - they need directon. All athletes need training.

Yep, the problem with Mou is he's the exact opposite of Van Gaal. LVG directed far too much which didn't allow for player freedom in attack. Mou directs far too little in attack and players need a little more direction to get better results.

 

[Dante]

Mourinho's attacking philosophy is too similiar to Guardiola's. He tells his attackers to figure it out for themselves. And that simply doesn't work.

 

[Henrik Larsson]

Some of the things he does are premeditated, I admit that. However, I really don't think his reactions to defeats are. It doesn't mean he's emotional, I think a lot of it has to do with habit. When you listen to him, he gives the impression of a man who thinks his reputation is constantly under attack (tbf, it kind of his). What I see are the comments of a man that in turn, feels the need to constantly defend himself.

Well that’s fair enough, for example his comments about why Lukaku always plays while other players don’t get that privilege looked both very premeditated and he’s defending himself - or actually attacking the media and fans that have questioned him regarding line-ups.

I guess my underlying point would be more that I’m not really concerned about what he says or does in public, unless there really is reason to believe he’s starting to lose the plot or starts taking his bitterness too far like at Real or Chelsea in his final season and there is an actual risk of implosion, something which I don’t see at this current point in time. The fact that we have eleven pages with at times genuinely idiotic or hysteric assesments of a manager who was questioning his team’s desire (and taking a sly dig at some critics) after losing to Brighton speaks for itself I think.

It’s a bit of a chicken or the egg discussion too, Mourinho could behave in a less polarising way at times (though I have no real problems with his public behaviour since he’s been here, it actually looks at times like he finally learned that extreme bitterness is simply counterproductive), at the same time there are some nasty campaigns going against him.

Take this from 2016. Now aside from the fact that claiming Fergie never publicly humiliated his players is a blatant lie, it’s a vile piece of journalism. It’s all the managers fault that Rooney and Shaw were shite apparently, anonymous sources claiming Mourinho was losing the plot, implosion incoming...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...nager-jose-mourinhos-criticism-of-players-na/

Now it’s 2018, we’re more stable and have been getting better results than we’ve been in a long time, of course things are not truly great and we need to improve much more, but still a disproportionaly negative narrative towards our manager I think.

But the players he's brought in have same problem. So what does that mean?
Plus the players that have been there since SAF are the ones that Mourinho himself seems to trust. So he has no leg to stand on when he's complaining and absolving himself of any responsibility.

Don’t know man, I’ve just watched back all the post Brighton interviews, at one point after saying his players lacked the real desire needed to win that game he quite literally adds something along the lines of ‘and I failed to install that desire’. I guess at least he seems to be able to perform some very basic self reflection in public.

Same with your arguments about the players he brought in, I think they’re a bit meh. Surely you recognize Lukaku’s importance for us, or the stability that Matic has brought over the course of a whole season, both players that worked with Mourinho before and his presence being one the reasons they wanted to sign from us? Haven’t seen him questioning someone like Valencia’s commitment either, ever.

It would lead to a lot less pointless discussions if people would just come out and say they don’t like Mourinho now, and will never like him in the future and whatever he does is stupid, period, without the nonsense.

 

[Ban]

I fail to see how that game had anything to do with any of the players acting like 'primadonas', they just played badly, and Jose looked chuffed to tell us all he knew this would happen, not healthy behaviour from our manager imo.

They played like they didn't give a damn.

 

[Ban]

Some of the things he does are premeditated, I admit that. However, I really don't think his reactions to defeats are. It doesn't mean he's emotional, I think a lot of it has to do with habit. When you listen to him, he gives the impression of a man who thinks his reputation is constantly under attack (tbf, it kind of his). What I see are the comments of a man that in turn, feels the need to constantly defend himself.
How many times has he brought up the fact that he's won multiple titles or titles in different countries or that players don't have his mentality? You hardly hear Guardiola talk about what he's won before. I think the reasons are simple. Pep's reputation doesn't get the barrage that Mourinho's gets and over time doesn't see the need to be defensive.
That's why he would go through the effort of bringing a list of players he's given opportunities to in his very first PC. When in truth both had equally underwhelming records.

That's the thing isn't it. Pep is media darling and Jose is attacked time and time again and some of it are myths and complete exaggeration. He hardly ever gets any praise nowadays and Pep is treated like a Saint.

 

[Cloud7]

That's the thing isn't it. Pep is media darling and Jose is attacked time and time again and some of it are myths and complete exaggeration. He hardly ever gets any praise nowadays and Pep is treated like a Saint.

Is it really hard to see why? Pep coaches the most aesthetically pleasing (by general consensus, obviously not every single person agrees) brand of football in world football today. Not going to go into personalities, because Pep has shown time and time again that he is in fact extremely arrogant and self assured, when he dismisses other styles of football etc.

We all forget that Jose himself used to be a media darling, in his first stint in England when he came in as the biggest thing around, to shake up the dominance of Fergie and Wenger. The media absolutely loved him, lapping up things like him calling Wenger a voyeur etc etc.

Fast forward to a decade later, and he’s no longer the charming, charismatic guy that he was when he just came on the scene. He just seems miserable all the time, and his style of play has become more defensive than anything else. The neutral observer is hardly going to praise a staunch 2-1 victory based on staunch defending in the same way they would a 4-0 dominant thrashing now are they? It’s just the way it is, whether we like it or not.

 

[ghagua]

I hold no one but the manager responsible for the shite that we display week in week out. Yes, we have had some results go our way against bigger teams recently, but the way he sets up the team to play against them carries over to when we are playing teams battling relegation. We should have spanked teams like Brighton and West Brom, but our displays against them might have left you feeling that we are battling relegation.

 

[Ace of Spades]

The same thing happened a few weeks ago against West Brom, in which his favoured players played, and they were just as bad, so why not blame them ??

This was just another pathetic moment from Mourinho to distance himself from any responsibility and blame it on the players. Such results have been happening irrespective of which team is chosen, so it is absolute crap to blame it on certain players as if they are the problem.

 

[Ban]

Is it really hard to see why? Pep coaches the most aesthetically pleasing (by general consensus, obviously not every single person agrees) brand of football in world football today. Not going to go into personalities, because Pep has shown time and time again that he is in fact extremely arrogant and self assured, when he dismisses other styles of football etc.

We all forget that Jose himself used to be a media darling, in his first stint in England when he came in as the biggest thing around, to shake up the dominance of Fergie and Wenger. The media absolutely loved him, lapping up things like him calling Wenger a voyeur etc etc.

Fast forward to a decade later, and he’s no longer the charming, charismatic guy that he was when he just came on the scene. He just seems miserable all the time, and his style of play has become more defensive than anything else. The neutral observer is hardly going to praise a staunch 2-1 victory based on staunch defending in the same way they would a 4-0 dominant thrashing now are they? It’s just the way it is, whether we like it or not.

I'm just saying that's the reason he defends himself all the time. Sure he was once media darling, that shows how hypocritical they all are.
He's not that more miserable than before, it's being blown out of proportion.

 

[0161_UNITED]

Meh. It’s certainly debatable whether Mourinho’s media statements are premeditated, uncouth, and self-serving.

What’s less debatable is the quality in this squad is still an issue. Too many open question marks and a lack of undeniable quality still surrounds his squad.

Think about in terms of those “combined 11s” the media always conjure up before a big match. For SAF’s best teams you’d have a ton of United players in those articles. Today, we’d have De Gea as a given.

Lukaku, Firmino, Aguero or Kane?
Pogba, De Bruyne, Alli?
Sanchez, Erikson, Salah, Hazard?
Mane, Son, Willian, Mata?
Add in RB, LB, CB, etc.

I still struggle to even know what our best 11 is, much less have confidence in our substitute options. People can cite how much Mourinho, and his predecessors spent all they want, but this team is better than what Mou inherited, and still some ways off.

If Mou wants to go public and get some of these underachievers to start seeking new employers, I can’t blame him. The quality in this squad needs to improve.

 

[redmanc]

No issue with Mou calling the players out, some have been out right pathetic for the salaries they are paid.

Regardless of what industry you work in a turd is a turd and no matter how much you polish it, it remains a turd so Mou has ran out of options other than to openly address the situation now, that said I’d expect to see some major transfers out this summer so anyone who is leaving probably knows they are surplus already.

 

[Water Melon]

His comments are shite as are his tactics. He will keep on bragging about his past achievements and continue moaning about some of his players when asked about a loss. Selfish arrogant toxic manager who is most probably past it. Will not win the prem with us and nor will he reach a CL final. Next year the difference in points between us and the top team could be less than this season and some of the posters here will continue to call it a progress. Is yet to stay in a title race after first 3-4 months for 2 seasons in a row.

 

[Swift Football]

When you get paid huge sums of money and wear the MUFC shirt, you shouldn't need any motivation to give 100% on the pitch.
I've also read some posts suggesting that our players might be coached to play without giving much effort. Again, I am shocked that some people on this forum actually believe that our manager would tell our players not to work/play too hard. I mean, WTF!!!

Quite obvioulsy Jose wont wont ask our players to play half heartedly. But what Jose has not done is build a pattern of play or have a proactive game plan to take the game to opposition. Our game plan should be based on our superior technicality rather than us working harder. Working hard is good but if you plan the entire game just based on working harder than the opposition, the odds are just 50/50 (or 60/40 in our favor since we have better skilled players, higher physicality and better options on the bench). For me, its on Jose that we are not playing well.

The team is built on defence first approach. That means many of our players are concentrated on filling the space, not make miss pass, and do not take risks. We apply this approach for so many games that it has become our habit, our style of play. If I am Valencia, I know Jose will have a go at me in case I am caught out of position, so i will never advance way forward full heartedly, my game will be geared towards not letting opponent's winger to make a cross rather than myself pinning down opposition flank. Also, if the opposition is pressing us, I will never try to square the ball to Smalling to try to beat the press ( if he is capable of that is different topic) since it is risky and unforgivable in Jose's appraoch, so I will rather just hoof the ball and not care about retaining the possession.

If we have super hard working players or super skilled players, of course we will be better. But the concern is are we producing enough with what we have? You told players are not putting their full effort, so what is the solution you propose? If it is replacing the players, that would cost us around 600M.

Pep was absolutely ruthless.
Imagine if Jose did the same at MUFC. There'd be a meltdown of epic proportions.

The difference though is Pep emphasizes certain traits in his players and try to get those players. Like they let go Mangala. I would not be surprised If Jose moans about our centre defenders and then spend some 40M for a player like Mangala.

Hazard on Mourinho’s tactics:
“Chelsea is not made to play football.“
““Often, I’m asked to do it all by myself and it’s not easy.”
“Tactical training. We do more with Conte. We know exactly what to do on the pitch”
“his third season was — how should I say it — a little more complicated. ”
(Talking about Salah leaving Chelsea)
“He’s a top, top, top player. He did not get his chance at Chelsea – maybe because of the manager”


Ronaldo on Mourinho:
"does not know how to admit his own failures"
asked if he liked the kind of football Real played, he said: "No, I don't”

Mourinho had criticised him before the match and Ronaldo responded after his strike by shouting an obscenity at his coach.
Pointing to the ground, he also yelled: "I'm here, I'm here". The suggestion was he did his talking on the pitch rather than off it.


I Juan Mata on Mourinho:
“For better or for worse, we had no relationship, there was no dialogue,"

Ramos on Mourinho

“ I don't think Mourinho has changed my life in football at all."
Casillas and Sergio Ramos are the two players who have stood up to their coach more than the rest and in January, Marca claimed that the pair had told Florentino: "Presi, in June, either Mourinho leaves, or we will”

De Bruyne on Mourinho
"I only spoke with him twice, that's when I wanted to leave to go to Dortmund in the beginning of the summer, and then the second meeting I just said, 'for me it's better to go, I want to play football'."

"I never let anyone put me down. I say what I have to say, with respect of course. But at that moment, I couldn't do anything because he would have said I was lying and afterwards he would have used it.”

But but Jose is a saint.
Tbf , any long serving managers will have some players ready to die for him, and some players who cannot tolerate his sight. But it is no secret that Jose in particular attracts much more negative criticism than any other manager.

 

[Amir]

Those quotes on Mourinho remind me something someone here wrote in an LVG thread a few days ago: That when he was appointed, friends told him how it will turn out. And it did.

This is the same. Those things said by players who worked under Mourinho in recent years have materialized at United.

 

[MalcolmTucker]

I gave up on him after the Sevilla match and subsequent comments. I don't think we're in a position to gamble at this moment and we are improving, albeit slowly, so I think a last chance should be given to him next season. Hopefully he gets us looking decent or at least putting up a decent fight for the title, if not I hope Ed preps for our next manager who is a bit better suited (Sarri? Jardim?)

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Pogba
Martial

Distinct lake of work rate from them all game
Hissy fits when challenged fairly rolling on ground
Complaining to referees
Spineless

Did this happen? Martial has looked disinterested from day one imo, that's just his demeanour, and will always let him down, and Pogba only stood out as been pretty bad because he was on the ball quite a bit and trying to make something happen on a bad day,

For me this is counterproductive, and I see no point to it, other than Jose saving face and protecting himself, which can't be right.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Meh. It’s certainly debatable whether Mourinho’s media statements are premeditated, uncouth, and self-serving.

What’s less debatable is the quality in this squad is still an issue. Too many open question marks and a lack of undeniable quality still surrounds his squad.

Think about in terms of those “combined 11s” the media always conjure up before a big match. For SAF’s best teams you’d have a ton of United players in those articles. Today, we’d have De Gea as a given.

Lukaku, Firmino, Aguero or Kane?
Pogba, De Bruyne, Alli?
Sanchez, Erikson, Salah, Hazard?
Mane, Son, Willian, Mata?
Add in RB, LB, CB, etc.

I still struggle to even know what our best 11 is, much less have confidence in our substitute options. People can cite how much Mourinho, and his predecessors spent all they want, but this team is better than what Mou inherited, and still some ways off.

If Mou wants to go public and get some of these underachievers to start seeking new employers, I can’t blame him. The quality in this squad needs to improve.

Truth to be told if we made combined XI consisting United and 3 newly promoted teams that team would consist of United players only. Yet we lost to these teams.

 

[Billy Blaggs]

Well that’s fair enough, for example his comments about why Lukaku always plays while other players don’t get that privilege looked both very premeditated and he’s defending himself - or actually attacking the media and fans that have questioned him regarding line-ups.

I guess my underlying point would be more that I’m not really concerned about what he says or does in public, unless there really is reason to believe he’s starting to lose the plot or starts taking his bitterness too far like at Real or Chelsea in his final season and there is an actual risk of implosion, something which I don’t see at this current point in time. The fact that we have eleven pages with at times genuinely idiotic or hysteric assesments of a manager who was questioning his team’s desire (and taking a sly dig at some critics) after losing to Brighton speaks for itself I think.

It’s a bit of a chicken or the egg discussion too, Mourinho could behave in a less polarising way at times (though I have no real problems with his public behaviour since he’s been here, it actually looks at times like he finally learned that extreme bitterness is simply counterproductive), at the same time there are some nasty campaigns going against him.

Take this from 2016. Now aside from the fact that claiming Fergie never publicly humiliated his players is a blatant lie, it’s a vile piece of journalism. It’s all the managers fault that Rooney and Shaw were shite apparently, anonymous sources claiming Mourinho was losing the plot, implosion incoming...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...nager-jose-mourinhos-criticism-of-players-na/

Now it’s 2018, we’re more stable and have been getting better results than we’ve been in a long time, of course things are not truly great and we need to improve much more, but still a disproportionaly negative narrative towards our manager I think.



Don’t know man, I’ve just watched back all the post Brighton interviews, at one point after saying his players lacked the real desire needed to win that game he quite literally adds something along the lines of ‘and I failed to install that desire’. I guess at least he seems to be able to perform some very basic self reflection in public.

Same with your arguments about the players he brought in, I think they’re a bit meh. Surely you recognize Lukaku’s importance for us, or the stability that Matic has brought over the course of a whole season, both players that worked with Mourinho before and his presence being one the reasons they wanted to sign from us? Haven’t seen him questioning someone like Valencia’s commitment either, ever.

It would lead to a lot less pointless discussions if people would just come out and say they don’t like Mourinho now, and will never like him in the future and whatever he does is stupid, period, without the nonsense.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Jeppers7]

You hit the nail on the head.

I'd always been a mourinho fan. Always felt we should have got him to replace saf. However his treatment of certain players for me is disgraceful. I wouldn't be surprised of half the players have turned on him already.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I'd always been a mourinho fan. Always felt we should have got him to replace saf. However his treatment of certain players for me is disgraceful. I wouldn't be surprised of half the players have turned on him already.

Not being funny but aside from DDG, Lukaku and Matic... not a single one of our players has done remotely enough in their careers to start ”turning” on a manager like Mourinho.
Ramos, Ronaldo, Costa, Hazard doing it is one thing but feck me we’ve got some massive problems in our squad if half of our ”done nexty to feck all in their careers” players are turning on Mourinho.