Tennis 2023

There’s no way Rune wouldn’t have known that was a double bounce. Hope Cerundolo finishes him off here.
 
Probably about the best I've ever seen Khachanov play. His return has been excellent all set and he's even showing variety in his game with some good use of the drop shot.

I don't expect him to keep it up and expect Djokovic to up his game but Djokovic has probably had this coming based on his opening sets against Fucsovics and ADF in earlier rounds. Khachanov a much more reliable and dangerous player than those guys.
 
I'm Novak fan but it is frustrating how these guys choke when they are supposed to be choking a favorite .
 
I'm Novak fan but it is frustrating how these guys choke when they are supposed to be choking a favorite .

Harsh to call that a choke. Fine margins in a tiebreak. The guy hasn't even faced a break point in two sets.
 
Not a very good game by both players IMHO, a lot of sucessive errors. Novax will win 3-1, Khacha seems starting to get exausted and failing to come with alternative strategies than insisting on the opponent's left. Worked on the 1st set, but now Novax is anticipating it easily.

But if Novax plays like this on the next game he's out of RG.
 
This is light work for Carlitos. Hopefully a bit more exciting tomorrow.
 
Maybe there will be a miraculous come back but Alcaraz is a horrific match up for Tsitsipas. He's going to have to change things up in future years against Alcaraz, otherwise it might be regular thumping for him.
 
Maybe there will be a miraculous come back but Alcaraz is a horrific match up for Tsitsipas. He's going to have to change things up in future years against Alcaraz, otherwise it might be regular thumping for him.

One-handed backhand is surely a big disadvantage on clay? Rafa used to regularly exploit Roger's backhand on this surface.
 
So my confidence went from: Let's hope Novak wins another RG now that Rafa isn't playing to let's hope Novak doesn't get embarrassed by this kid. I am not sure if it is recency bias but it appears Alcaraz's peak can be considerably higher than big 3 peak. He annihilated Musseti and Stef. Nadal was murdering everyone on clay too when you look at the score line but if you watched Nadal's matches - games/points were often hard fought just Nadal was winning them at the end. This guy is different - he killed last two opponents.
 
Carlos Alcaraz with a peak nervyRafa performance in the third set. Has MPs at 5-2, also serves for it, gets broken and then at 5-5 he manages to hold to love.
So my confidence went from: Let's hope Novak wins another RG now that Rafa isn't playing to let's hope Novak doesn't get embarrassed by this kid. I am not sure if it is recency bias but it appears Alcaraz's peak can be considerably higher than big 3 peak. He annihilated Musseti and Stef. Nadal was murdering everyone on clay too when you look at the score line but if you watched Nadal's matches - games/points were often hard fought just Nadal was winning them at the end. This guy is different - he killed last two opponents.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves. He's very good but he's not playing amazing opponents and Tsitsipas is very far from the level he used to be at. I don't think he's going to be able to murder or pummel Djokovic.

Also as for a higher peak than the Big 3? I think he's going to face a good half decade of no real competition, especially with Novak also maybe another year or two away from being done. It's rather hard to compare even if he does go on to win 20 odd Slams.
 
He wins it on his 6th Match Point. Hopefully he beats Novak but I still can't see him doing it vs Novak over 5 sets.
 
When is Alcaraz vs Djokovic scheduled, Thursday or Friday? Afternoon or evening? Can't seem to find anything.
 
Djokovic will have to step his level up to beat Alcaraz. As of right now, I'd predict Alcaraz to win in 4 sets as he's been far more convincing this tournament in my opinion.

Djokovic knows what it's like to step up on the big occasion, so I would expect him to come out firing. Really looking forward to the match.

Not sure I can see anyone from the bottom half winning the title to be honest. Etcheverry won't make the final and Ruud would be a comfortable finalist opponent for either of them. Rune could be interesting, but I think he lacks the experience and I'd worry about him physically too. Zverev is probably the one opponent who could do something against Alcaraz or Djokovic but he'd have to be at near his peak level and serve incredibly well.
 
Carlos Alcaraz with a peak nervyRafa performance in the third set. Has MPs at 5-2, also serves for it, gets broken and then at 5-5 he manages to hold to love.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. He's very good but he's not playing amazing opponents and Tsitsipas is very far from the level he used to be at. I don't think he's going to be able to murder or pummel Djokovic.

Also as for a higher peak than the Big 3? I think he's going to face a good half decade of no real competition, especially with Novak also maybe another year or two away from being done. It's rather hard to compare even if he does go on to win 20 odd Slams.

That last set is not really evidence of anything. Prime example of expecting opponent to give up and all of a sudden they turn it up because they are playing a lost match. Seen it in tennis over and over again...
 
When is Alcaraz vs Djokovic scheduled, Thursday or Friday? Afternoon or evening? Can't seem to find anything.
Friday, probably the first match given their side of the draw has played first.
 
That last set is not really evidence of anything. Prime example of expecting opponent to give up and all of a sudden they turn it up because they are playing a lost match. Seen it in tennis over and over again...
Ofcourse its not but Carlos bashing Mussetti, Shapo and a Tsitsipas who has really regressed is also not evidence that Carlos can beat the peak of the Big 3. Carlos and a not completely fit Novak (and maybe Rune off late?) apart, this is an extremely weak field and one where you would expect Carlos to win most matches he plays anyway. Neither of Medvedev or Tsitspas or even Zverev are as good as they were two years ago and they weren't even amazing back then, if we're being honest.

Djokovic will have to step his level up to beat Alcaraz. As of right now, I'd predict Alcaraz to win in 4 sets as he's been far more convincing this tournament in my opinion.

Djokovic knows what it's like to step up on the big occasion, so I would expect him to come out firing. Really looking forward to the match.

Not sure I can see anyone from the bottom half winning the title to be honest. Etcheverry won't make the final and Ruud would be a comfortable finalist opponent for either of them. Rune could be interesting, but I think he lacks the experience and I'd worry about him physically too. Zverev is probably the one opponent who could do something against Alcaraz or Djokovic but he'd have to be at near his peak level and serve incredibly well.

The winner of the match wins RG for sure but I don't think Carlos will be able to outlast Novak over 5 sets. The latter's big game temperament and superior match management skills will show eventually, imo. Novak is also a far better player than anyone Carlos has faced all year, irrespective of his form going into the tournament.

As for the bottom half, Zverev, if he can channel the level he showed vs Rafa last year, he has a chance but its almost impossible he does that over 5 sets vs either Carlos or Novak.
 
Ludicrous. I think I agree with the above, to an extent. I said last year that he was, probably by some distance, based on performances and actual ability shown - the best multicourt teenager in history. If he beats Djokovic and goes all the way, he goes clear as the best 20 year old too WITH half a season still to play, so the trajectory is would be very much clear of the big 3, and I mean it'd be a serious distance to Novak and then even further back to Federer age 20 too.

And has proven by 2 of the Big 3, getting ahead early comes up trumps later on, even if you don't quite maybe have a dominant mid 20's peak run similar to Rogers.

I'm very excited to see him at Wimbledon, there was clear talent there last year, just genuine control issues.
 
Ludicrous. I think I agree with the above, to an extent. I said last year that he was, probably by some distance, based on performances and actual ability shown - the best multicourt teenager in history. If he beats Djokovic and goes all the way, he goes clear as the best 20 year old too WITH half a season still to play, so the trajectory is would be very much clear of the big 3, and I mean it'd be a serious distance to Novak and then even further back to Federer age 20 too.

And has proven by 2 of the Big 3, getting ahead early comes up trumps later on, even if you don't quite maybe have a dominant mid 20's peak run similar to Rogers.

I'm very excited to see him at Wimbledon, there was clear talent there last year, just genuine control issues.
Yup, I think Rafa's now out of the picture and if Novak is gone in another maybe year and a half, Carlos is going to be able to sweep up a lot of Slams over a 3-4 years stretch because there's nothing on the men's circuit, Rune apart maybe, that looks like even the quality of a Murray or Stan, let alone the Big 3. Of course, another kid might rise to the occasion but I think Carlos can have quite a clean run for a few years.

As for Wimbledon, don't think there's any chance he beats Novak, should they meet. Feel it would be more like an 06 or 07 Rafa Roger meeting.
 
I fear the men's game will be very one sided once Nadal and Djokovic retire. Alcaraz seems to be the only player of that calibre on the tour for the upcoming future.
 
I think there’s more than enough young talent around apart from Alcaraz as well. Sinner & Rune are both going to win multiple slams
 
I think there’s more than enough young talent around apart from Alcaraz as well. Sinner & Rune are both going to win multiple slams
Alcaraz is the only one who actually looks like he'll be the real deal so far. There were high hopes from Sinner but he's been a bit disappointing at the biggest stages. I know he's still very young and things can change but he doesn't look quite in the league of Alcaraz although they did play a wonderful match at the USO that Sinner should have won. Rune has had a solid 8-9 months or so and hopefully he does challenge.

I fear the men's game will be very one sided once Nadal and Djokovic retire. Alcaraz seems to be the only player of that calibre on the tour for the upcoming future.
The immediate years do feel like they'll be a bit lopsided.
 
Old man Novak will get two days rest to rest the body and create a plan to challenge the prodigy. Well - I hope for an epic match.
 
16 years between Novak and Alcaraz. easily the most anticipated match in the last year or two.
 
Ah so it happens. I think Alcaraz needs to win here to cement his place, especially on Novak's weakest surface(which is not really saying much, tbh).

Tennis needs something new. Novak and Nadal propped it up for longer than they should have been allowed to.
 
Ah so it happens. I think Alcaraz needs to win here to cement his place, especially on Novak's weakest surface(which is not really saying much, tbh).

Tennis needs something new. Novak and Nadal propped it up for longer than they should have been allowed to.

Have to agree. It's time to pass the responsibility to the new generations and also needs new "idols" in order to connect with the youngest fans. The lac of alternatives to Nadal/Novak and befora Federer was and is doing more harm than good to the sport popularity.
 
I would not project a trend over the next six months, nor extrapolate Carlitos’ tall from 1 or 2 Grand Slams in one year and half to 22 or more in fifteen years, if only because real life is not the internet’s groundhog bubble… and players are not an avatar simulation but a finite combination of a body (muscles, tendons, heart) + a mind (motivation, stress resistance, hunger).
 
I would not project a trend over the next six months, nor extrapolate Carlitos’ tall from 1 or 2 Grand Slams in one year and half to 22 or more in fifteen years, if only because real life is not the internet’s groundhog bubble… and players are not an avatar simulation but a finite combination of a body (muscles, tendons, heart) + a mind (motivation, stress resistance, hunger).

People are expecting a domination on the sport like Federer/Nadal/Novax did, but Alcaraz has a different path to make.
 
People are expecting a domination on the sport like Federer/Nadal/Novax did, but Alcaraz has a different path to make.

He needs a same-level, same-age rival as a stimulus or he risks boredom / exhaustion pretty soon a la Barty imho. I cannot see one single player winning 30 GS like a robot, if that’s what you are implying. Even in the Alpine Ski, the Athletics, Swimming or just Snooker, which are roughly comparable and individual sports in the structure of events, for every Ronnie O’Sullivan there must be a John Higgins, a Mark Williams, a Mark Selby to keep all going year after year.
 
I don't think anybody is expecting that kind of performances from Alcaraz.

I largely think he has to be the one to break the Big 3 hold on Grand Slams. Reason being is that it would have a knock-down effect. If Novak no longer looks invincible at slams, the younger players will have more belief that they can beat him. That aura will disappear.
 
Pretty disappointed in that from Rune. Ruud was very solid but Rune far far from his best. Dropshots consistently awful, bad decisions and was was largely being dictated to by Ruud.
 
Sabalenka blew that towards the end but a great first women's semi final - well done to Muchova!