Can't wait to read the Trump tweet about it.
Umpires as bad as MSM. Very unfair. With a stronger immigration policy they wouldn't even be allowed to come into the USA!
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Umpires as bad as MSM. Very unfair. With a stronger immigration policy they wouldn't even be allowed to come into the USA!
I can some latitude when it comes to the depiction of Serena although you would think a cartoonist would have some knowledge of the racist stereotypes in particular that of black women(Maybe he does but simply doesn't care). But the Osaka depiction is straight up racist, I image the more troubling part was that it wasn't a active choice to whitewash Osaka more than the cartoonist clearly hadn't watch the match and thus could have only image the one person who could beat Serena had to be skinny blonde haired fictional white women.
I've not really seen the news so I'm not sure what people are saying but it seems to be the common respond of newspaper prints racist cartoon, people criticise the cartoon. There's no need for government involvement or for the newspaper to be forced to take down the cartoon. It's just another reminder of one of the many many reasons why people shouldn't buy a Rupert Murdoch owned paper.
Hopefully yes!!!
The Serena incident should be a wake up call for both the ATP and WTA to get on board by streamlining the rules regarding warnings. Both should come up with rigid policies about how much discretion chair umpires have in giving coaching ,racket abuse, and insult warnings.
I don't get how this that cartoon is "satire". Satire needs to involve some kind of irony, like Catch-22 or A Modest Proposal. That cartoon was just a lazy (and very probably racist) caricature. Is the cover trying to say a PC world will have better humour standards?
Its broader than just that. It can also be used as a device for social critique to illuminate or mock power or abuses (among other things).
That is one disgusting racist depiction of Serena and Osaka.
Why on earth is Osaka identified as a 'blonde'?
As a mixed race woman, that comes across to me as Serena being the typical 'angry, aggressive black woman', whilst Osaka is the docile 'ladylike' 'blonde' version. Apparently blondes never get angry
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I believe Serena should have behaved better no doubt (even though she's absolutely correct on the double standards), but unless you're a woman of colour, you cannot understand the subtle undermining that you experience. If you stand up for yourself, you're called 'aggressive' (even if you're right). In this respect, I completely understand her frustration bubbling over.
I think Serena was wrong in her approach, but this offensive cartoon pic makes me support her more.
Why on earth is Osaka identified as a 'blonde'?
As a mixed race woman, that comes across to me as Serena being the typical 'angry, aggressive black woman', whilst Osaka is the docile 'ladylike' 'blonde' version. Apparently blondes never get angry
.I believe Serena should have behaved better no doubt (even though she's absolutely correct on the double standards), but unless you're a woman of colour, you cannot understand the subtle undermining that you experience. If you stand up for yourself, you're called 'aggressive' (even if you're right). In this respect, I completely understand her frustration bubbling over.
I think Serena was wrong in her approach, but this offensive cartoon pic makes me support her more.
That is one disgusting racist depiction of Serena and Osaka.
Why on earth is Osaka identified as a 'blonde'?
As a mixed race woman, that comes across to me as Serena being the typical 'angry, aggressive black woman', whilst Osaka is the docile 'ladylike' 'blonde' version. Apparently blondes never get angry
I believe Serena should have behaved better no doubt (even though she's absolutely correct on the double standards), but unless you're a woman of colour, you cannot understand the subtle undermining that you experience. If you stand up for yourself, you're called 'aggressive' (even if you're right). In this respect, I completely understand her frustration bubbling over.
I think Serena was wrong in her approach, but this offensive cartoon pic makes me support her more.
What double standards?
What do you mean?
Current male tennis players have said far worse and not been docked points. They are countless examples of this.
What do you mean?
Current male tennis players have said far worse and not been docked points. They are countless examples of this.
Where are the countless examples?
Someone here though has posted many examples of the same umpire, officiating the men just as strictly though. The top men's players are fortunately far more classier individuals than Serena Williams.
I don’t recall players getting away with calling umpires thieves, at least not in recent memory?What do you mean?
Current male tennis players have said far worse and not been docked points. They are countless examples of this.
The only contentious of the 3 offenses was the first one. You can definitely say the umpire was overly officious but he had form with male players like Nadal or Nole so it can hardly be called double standards.
You can do your own research.
Er.... at 3:20
Most of the problem about this ''debate'' is that lot of people clearly haven't watched a lot of tennis before.
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What do you mean?
Current male tennis players have said far worse and not been docked points. They are countless examples of this.
When you say a lot of male player said worse things and got away with it that means no woman has ever done those things and got away with it. The truth is a lot of players male or female have gotten away with things like that.
That is the thing about the laws that allow referees to make objective decisions. In football something might happen and a referee decides that he should uses his red card while another referee might think that a yellow card is enough. Maybe the same referee who used the red card won't even blow his whistle on a same exact incident 10 minutes later. That is because we are human beings, on different occasions we may decide different things. There are areas in tennis or football where a referee might make an objective decision. That is not about sexism. If that match had another umpire but Ramos he might handled things differently, exactly like how a lot of women get away with stuff, if that match happened on a different time Ramos himself might handled things differently.
Serena calling him a sexist was an attack to his character, she owe him an apology because she didn't make it about the decision she made it about his character. And even had she made that about the decision she hadn't the right to poison the atmosphere because Carlos Ramos did not do anything wrong.
And also there was a statistics on the amount of code violation given to players on us open. The umpires had given like more than 80 to men and 22 to women.
Doesn’t change the fact that Stephen A is spot on here.
I was agreeing with the video which is I why quote it.
The part about ''people clearly haven't watched a lot of tennis before'' was me complaining about the reaction from certain parts of social media(Although I can see my post made it seems a bit confusing, my bad)
I've not gone through the whole thread, but there does appear to be examples of inconsistency to support your point.
How so? Says there Novak didn't get docked a point even though he was arguing with the umpire as Serena did.
Maybe not called a thief but remember Fognini calling an umpire a prostitute (that's the 'polite' interpretation as well). He rightly got kicked out of the tournament.
James Blake has admitted he's gotten away with saying worst things.
At Wimbledon Novak pretty much told the umpire to tell the crowd to shut the feck up. At a Masters tournament he said to someone in the crowd (in Serbian mind you) to suck my d**k. In another tournament in Rome he shoved an umpire. I may be wrong but I don't think he got a warning for that.
Nadal has twice threatened two umpires in the recent past that they won't be in charge of his games after he got pissed with them. I remember him being threatening to an umpire at Wimbledon I believe when his Uncle Tony got called out for coaching. No points docked.
Even my fave Federer had a moment some years back during a changeover arguing with the ref and tossing some F bombs into the conversation.
The point is I don't recall these incidents invoking nothing more than a warning. I certainly would be shocked if any of Roger, Rafa or Novak got docked a point in a Grand Slam final.
At the end of the day, none of their behaviour is any good including Serena's, but why give her the full penalty, in a crucial moment of a match of that magnitude when there isn't any precedent for it happening before? In my opinion, that's a double standard.
Perhaps the tennis association should look at how rules are applied and ensure there is consistency. Then there won't be any ambiguities.
Yeah exactly - I thought you said there was inconsistency with umpiring? I was supporting that point rather than arguing against it.
Sorry pal. Completely misinterpreted your post.
What men tennis players have had three instances of petulant transgressions and not been penalised for it? Fact is the top men's players are just better behaved. When they want they tend to do it once or twice and move on. Serena's behaviour was pathetic and I'm glad there's enough people calling her out for the spoilt brat she was on the night and the fake equality fight she was apparently fighting. Bollocks. She was getting outplayed and her uncontrollable ego couldn't take being disciplined and playing by the rules. I'm glad Ramos put her in her place. I'm a huge Federer fan but he behaves like a tosser I hope Ramos penalises him too. feck this entitlement.What do you mean?
Current male tennis players have said far worse and not been docked points. They are countless examples of this.
I have to admit I'm highly amused by this clip. So many similarities. I saw it when the event occurred but had forgotten the nuances.
Threatening the linesman once you get disciplined.
Intimidating the officials.
The "are you scared?" is particularly weird.
The same two officials having to come down and deal with her shit.
The "I DIDNT SAY THAT".
The "OTHERS HAVE DONE WAY WORSE".
Look, racism and sexism exists. But don't use it as a card for your own benefit. It's classless and pathetic.
Threatening the linesman once you get disciplined.
Intimidating the officials.
The "are you scared?" is particularly weird.
The same two officials having to come down and deal with her shit.
The "I DIDNT SAY THAT".
The "OTHERS HAVE DONE WAY WORSE".
Look, racism and sexism exists. But don't use it as a card for your own benefit. It's classless and pathetic.
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Just before Serena walks over the tournament ref asks the lineswoman "what did she say"? and the lineswoman says "She said I'll kill you".
Williams berated the umpire a lot and didn't get a warning. He actually put up with a lot of shit until the line was crossed when she called the umpire a thief.
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Arguing wasn't the problem.
Just reading the Has The Umpire Been Fired Yet? thread. What shit- a lot of those were given as code violations they were just the first warnings!!
Disingenuous.
Disingenuous.
Precisely. Besides I'm sure there are other examples of women also getting away with stuff. The point is that a she committed offenses and got rightfully penalised. As male players have. She actually doesn't have a point at all unless one really really wants to believe she does.
Also, I find Serena's whataboutism points that "McEnroe and others did it back in the day, therefore I should be able to do whatever I want" argument a bit unconvincing. If anything, this is an opportunity for Tennis to clean up its act with rogue players derailing matches with their behavior.
Serena was out of order but I don't agree that calling ref a "thief" was such a shot across the line that he could not have ignored it. Get her fined after the fact if needed but escalating things to the point of having to give a game violation in a final was stupid. Especially when the ref started the whole thing with a pointless call over coaching. Serena reacted to that with anger which is normal when you are in such a high pressure situation in a very high stakes sports match. We need less refs who see such big events as an opportunity to act as the big guy. Stay in background and try to facilitate the contest as fairly as possible. Getting called a thief is not a good enough reason to ruin a GS final.
Pointless call?
Yes it was pointless, I doubt there would have been howls of cheating if in any GS final a coaching signal was given and even acted on. It is akin to a ref giving a yellow card in WC final for a soft foul and ruining the intensity of the game.
The whole rule is bizarre anyway. If people wanted to cheat via coaching signals in a match they would just come up with less obvious signs that ones that can get you infracted. I have seen likes of Djoko, Nadal and Murray look to their boxes countless times in big games when they are up against it, how are you even going to litigate if they are getting just encouragement or any secret coaching signal?
I think Tennis needs to get over the victorian era hangover. Who cares if players are breaking racquets on court? All the talk of trying to be good role models is mind-boggling. You need more passion in Tennis not just robots who play out each match, shake hands after a result and make a merry exit. There are lines that you can not allow players to cross but I find it beyond belief that anyone can claim that all three of Serena's offences in the final - so called coaching signal that she did not see, breaking a racquet, calling ref a thief - warranted a ruination of marquee event. A bunch of dinosaurs are still enforcing rules, that are applicable to a rich folk's pass time rather than a global sport where people from all background aspire to compete.
I am glad we have had characters like Ganguly, Warne, Kohli etc in cricket to challenge the narrative of it being a "gentleman's game" and get rid of its own colonial hangover. Tennis needs to move forward in that regard, not backwards.
I am glad we have had characters like Ganguly, Warne, Kohli etc in cricket to challenge the narrative of it being a "gentleman's game" and get rid of its own colonial hangover. Tennis needs to move forward in that regard, not backwards.
Yeah lets change the sport to validate one person after a narcissistic meltdown in front of the world.
Tennis has been the wild west in terms of meltdowns over the years. Hers is just the tip of the iceberg, that because of the intense coverage its received, could be used to reinforce some basic rules so future incidents are curtailed before they spiral out of control.
I actually agree, they should be stricter on tantrums. That umpire was being abused for a long time before he finally gave her the violation. Noone should have to put up with that.
In all serious, in terms of coaching, it is a silly rule and should probably be changed along with whatever stupid rule was broken because a woman was in her sports bra. Smashing a racket and abusing the umpires aren't in the same bracket and shouldn't be touched just because Serena says so.
You wouldn't be sympathetic with a player getting a second yellow card for abusing the referee in football, you'd call him an idiot. Even if a lot of the time it goes unpunished, the fact that they knew the risk is enough, and you'd demand they controlled their temper better. You wouldn't blame the ref for ruining the cup final, or call conspiracy, or argue that players should be allowed to abuse the refs. I honestly don't understand why so many people are fighting Serena's corner in this.
I won't be fine with a ref giving player a second yellow card for abuse in a WC final and sending him off. Giving one for a bad foul or dangerous play is fine but abuse part can be ignored as bad as it may be for the ego of the ref. Just because by letter of the law you CAN give some infraction, does not mean you must do it givem the level of abuse is a very subjective issue and not somewhar objective one in case of penalties in football. All this talk of "thief" being the key word is non sense as well. People who are defending the ref now are being dishonest if they are arguing that they would not have defended him for the same action even if Serena had not used "theif".
I am not condoning Serena's behavior but given an explanation that humans at times would react badly in such cases. Expecting perfect behavior from sportsmen in high stakes battle at all time is bizarre. And as already mentioned above, nothing in her behavior warranted ending the match in such circumstances. Not one single offense she was penalized for. That happened not only due to her behavior but due to ref being too big for his shoes to ignore certain things and rules being archaic.
This is such a ridiculous post.
Thank you, you deserve a plus one for common sense. I'm not condoning Serena's behavior either but this entire 'it's up to her really' is just silly and bizzare.
Explain why
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