Tennis 2016

Kevin said:
Feeling old now. What is the year end tournament called nowadays when the top 8 duke it out? It used to be the Masters.

I've had a mare in this thread :lol: You wouldn't know that i've played 10 years of competitive tennis being once ranked no. 7 among the juniors in Holland and used to follow all the tournaments, was able to rattle off the top 20 ranking and its weekly mutations on command and knew everything about my idol Pete Sampras if you'd see me posting in this thread. An embarrassment :lol:
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It's alright Kevin. I still think you a professor.

It's ATP London finals.
 
RooneyLegend said:
It still is but not everyone is into tennis so they just care about the grand slams.
The hierarchy is something like this; Grand slams, end of year championships, masters 1000. When Federer, who is basically Jesus in the sport decided the Olympics was paramount importance to greatness in 08, that kind of elevated them to second place.
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Yeah that is what I meant, see my previous post. It used to be called the Masters. I stopped following the sport and basically only watched the Grand Slam semis/finals once Sampras retired.
 
Kevin said:
Feeling old now. What is the year end tournament called nowadays when the top 8 duke it out? It used to be the Masters.

I've had a mare in this thread :lol: You wouldn't know that i've played 10 years of competitive tennis being once ranked no. 7 among the juniors in Holland and used to follow all the tournaments, was able to rattle off the top 20 ranking and its weekly mutations on command and knew everything about my idol Pete Sampras if you'd see me posting in this thread. An embarrassment :lol:
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End of year championships. I knew what you meant though :lol:, so its not all that bad.
 
Bojan11 said:
Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray have taken them seriously.

On the current tour, Berdych won his only master in 2005. Tsonga and Wawrinka won in 2014. Ferrer has won one. Cillic won this year when Federer and Djokovic weren't playing.

The big four have dominated them in the last 10 years. 75 of the last 90 masters have been won by them.
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They are taken seriously by everyone one on tour. From the 500 level to below that's where things aren't all that serious. Since this is a football forum I'll put it like this, masters 1000 are like the league while the grand slams are the Champions leagues.
 
Jazz said:
It's the lack of mental strength (though that's improved massively under Magnus Norman) and consistency.
Stan is up and down - hence not that many Masters titles and such. Anyway, winning slams is the goal and he's got 3. Wonder if he'll win Wimbledon to join the small list of players that have won all four slams?:drool:
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Also regarding Magnus.

I wonder how Soderling is going to be feeling. He could have been winning these slams under Magnus if it wasn't for his injury. Soderling was always a pest to the big four at the time.
 
Bojan11 said:
Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Murray have taken them seriously.

On the current tour, Berdych won his only master in 2005. Tsonga and Wawrinka won in 2014. Ferrer has won one. Cillic won this year when Federer and Djokovic weren't playing.

The big four have dominated them in the last 10 years. 75 of the last 90 masters have been won by them.
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Yup, and to be fair there's a reason why Murray is considered as part of the big 4 even though both him and Wawrinka had 2 slams each before Wimbledon this year.
 
RooneyLegend said:
They are taken seriously by everyone one on tour. From the 500 level to below that's where things aren't all that serious. Since this is a football forum I'll put it like this, masters 1000 are like the league while the grand slams are the Champions leagues.
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I understand what you're trying to say but wouldn't necessarily agree with that analogy. A team winning the league would have much less regret (or much more sense of achievement) than a tennis player winning just a masters and not a grand slam (talking about only established players of course, not upcoming talent)
 
No way Wawrinka is at the same level as Murray despite the same number of slams.

A. Murray has been a lot more consistent at the majors
B. The masters 1000 tournaments are important.
 
Bojan11 said:
Also regarding Magnus.

I wonder how Soderling is going to be feeling. He could have been winning these slams under Magnus if it wasn't for his injury. Soderling was always a pest to the big four at the time.
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Soderling's injury is one of the strangest ever. To have mono? for so many years. It's crazy to have your career end like that. Though Nadal won't miss him after the handbags in that French Open match:lol:
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
No way Wawrinka is at the same level as Murray despite the same number of slams.

A. Murray has been a lot more consistent at the majors
B. The masters 1000 tournaments are important.
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I can understand someone saying Wawrinka can play at a higher level than Murray in top form. To be fair very few players can match Wawrinka when he's like that. But like others said the consistency isn't there. That's most likely because of the risky game he plays. It can work in some matches. But in others it can lead to 50 unforced errors. Where as the other top players know when to play the right shot. Where as with Wawrinka it's all or bust, which I admire.

Got to feel for Dan Evans too. He was on match point against Wawrinka.

Jazz said:
Soderling's injury is one of the strangest ever. To have mono? for so many years. It's crazy to have your career end like that. Though Nadal won't miss him after the handbags in that French Open match:lol:
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Ancic had it too. It was the tiredness they would get from training as Soderling tried to train for a few years.
 
Murray has reached something like 10 or more grand slam finals along with all his Masters titles. Probably why there is a big 4 as opposed to a big 3 even though he has 9 less slams than Djokovic.
 
friend said:
Murray has reached something like 10 or more grand slam finals along with all his Masters titles. Probably why there is a big 4 as opposed to a big 3 even though he has 9 less slams than Djokovic.
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Yep. Plus his two singles gold medals.
 
And the fact he has twice the prize money, which you can't blame inflation on since they played in the same era. His record against the top 3 is pretty bad outside of being the only guy on tour capable of taking out Novak consistently over the past 2 years, and even before that he took him all the way in two absolutely epic matches in 2013. They just match up really really well.

Roger should love him, keeping him safe up at 17.
 
I think I read somewhere that he is 3-19 against world #1's, but the wins have all been in slam finals :lol:
 
Jazz said:
Soderling's injury is one of the strangest ever. To have mono? for so many years. It's crazy to have your career end like that. Though Nadal won't miss him after the handbags in that French Open match:lol:
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A year ago I was doing my rehab with Soderling's physical trainer back when he was playing. He said that Robin started feeling strange sometime after the Australian Open and he kept playing for around 7 months because no one could figure out what was wrong. It took until the US Open when he literally could not get up in the locker room once his match had been called for a hospital to finally understand what was going on. I guess by that point he had hurt his body so much, pushing it through mono for 7 months. They say the most important thing to do when you have mono is rest.
 
Stan delivers in a final again... Amazing performance, that backhand is majestic. Such a clutch player, Murray should take some lessons!
 
Tim Henman said:
A year ago I was doing my rehab with Soderling's physical trainer back when he was playing. He said that Robin started feeling strange sometime after the Australian Open and he kept playing for around 7 months because no one could figure out what was wrong. It took until the US Open when he literally could not get up in the locker room once his match had been called for a hospital to finally understand what was going on. I guess by that point he had hurt his body so much, pushing it through mono for 7 months. They say the most important thing to do when you have mono is rest.
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Poor Robin. That's a shit way for your career to end. And yes, playing on through that wouldn't have done him any favours...
 
Jazz said:
Poor Robin. That's a shit way for your career to end. And yes, playing on through that wouldn't have done him any favours...
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Yep, shows you how many things go into being an all-time great. When Federer had mono he had the maturity (might be unfair to call it that, perhaps foresight is a better word) to put everything on hold completely until he was healthy again.
 
Tim Henman said:
Yep, shows you how many things go into being an all-time great. When Federer had mono he had the maturity (might be unfair to call it that, perhaps foresight is a better word) to put everything on hold completely until he was healthy again.
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Federer is always on top of things tbf. Guy is so organised and obviously has a good team around him.

It sounds for Robin though that it was just one of those unfortunate things that can happen. Maybe if he went to another doctor they may have diagnosed him quicker etc. It's just one of those things. Hate when people's careers go up in smoke through no fault of theirs.

It's another reason why so many fans want to see Del Potro win something again. Anything will do, after all the years of trouble with his wrist. After that fantastic win at the US Open, and everyone expecting him to go on to even better things, the wrist decides to act up.
 
Jazz said:
Federer is always on top of things tbf. Guy is so organised and obviously has a good team around him.
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Even with breeding. Managed to pop two sets of twins to avoid having to take off much time. Definition of efficiency.
 
Skills said:
Even with breeding. Managed to pop two sets of twins to avoid having to take off much time. Definition of efficiency.
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:lol:

I think I heard that his sister also has twins - so likely from his side of the family:D
 
Jazz said:
Federer is always on top of things tbf. Guy is so organised and obviously has a good team around him.

It sounds for Robin though that it was just one of those unfortunate things that can happen. Maybe if he went to another doctor they may have diagnosed him quicker etc. It's just one of those things. Hate when people's careers go up in smoke through no fault of theirs.

It's another reason why so many fans want to see Del Potro win something again. Anything will do, after all the years of trouble with his wrist. After that fantastic win at the US Open, and everyone expecting him to go on to even better things, the wrist decides to act up.
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Yes, I would love to see Del Potro get back to the top 5-6. Such a great player to watch but more importantly, a well natured and good hearted guy.

What I remember being told is that the trainers tried to get Robin to take time off until he could figure out what was going on, but he was on such a tear after the Australian Open (Think he went 12-0 or something) that he found it really hard to stop.
 
I remember being at Soderlings last Winbledon match against Tomic. He was complaining about being sick and dizzy during the game. Tomic as a qualifier beat him very easily and Soderling seemed to have no energy.

Amazing how he went on to win the Stockholm open after that and beating somebody like Ferrer in the final with that illness.
 
Tim Henman said:
Yes, I would love to see Del Potro get back to the top 5-6. Such a great player to watch but more importantly, a well natured and good hearted guy.

What I remember being told is that the trainers tried to get Robin to take time off until he could figure out what was going on, but he was on such a tear after the Australian Open (Think he went 12-0 or something) that he found it really hard to stop.
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Agreed on Del Potro -really lovely man. Be hard to get back to 5-6 I think.. was gutted he was playing against Andy in the Olympic final. He wanted that so badly but...

On Robin - hindsight is a hell of thing. Hope he's ok though..
 
Bojan11 said:
I remember being at Soderlings last Winbledon match against Tomic. He was complaining about being sick and dizzy during the game. Tomic as a qualifier beat him very easily and Soderling seemed to have no energy.

Amazing how he went on to win the Stockholm open after that and beating somebody like Ferrer in the final with that illness.
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That's incredible. Ferrer the little terrier:lol: Amazing stamina on that guy, though nowadays I think injuries have finally caught up with him too.
 
Jazz said:
That's incredible. Ferrer the little terrier:lol: Amazing stamina on that guy, though nowadays I think injuries have finally caught up with him too.
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Lets not forget that Ferrer has been around forever. The guy's just gotten old(er).
 
Piratesoup said:
Lets not forget that Ferrer has been around forever. The guy's just gotten old(er).
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Yep. Happens to everyone. But even at 30/31 - Ferrer could run the socks off most players. Amazing.
 
Jazz said:
Yep. Happens to everyone. But even at 30/31 - Ferrer could run the socks off most players. Amazing.
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It's strange to see so many "old" players in the world elite these days. Feels like there's way more 30+ players near the top than before. Being 34 and standing at rank 16 would've been amazing and constantly newsworthy 15 years ago. Or maybe my perception's just off.
 
Piratesoup said:
It's strange to see so many "old" players in the world elite these days. Feels like there's way more 30+ players near the top than before. Being 34 and standing at rank 16 would've been amazing and constantly newsworthy 15 years ago.
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Partly because none of the younger players are stepping up yet. Love Kyrgios, great talent, but the guy won't make it if he can't control himself. Dominic Thiem is another very good prospect, and Zverev is going to be a superstar if he makes the most of his talent. But can't see these guys staking a claim for another 2 years maybe less for Thiem. But at the moment nobody stands out.

Also love Nishikori -but the guy's body and his lack of mental strength at times, let's him down. Great to watch though.

The young ones need to step up or we'll keep seeing the 'oldies' dominate:D
 
Interesting stuff coming out from the Russian 'hack'. Personally, though, I don't find it surprising. I think doping is absolutely rife in the sport, right to the highest level, albeit under the guise of endless TUE's and general abuse of the medical treatment side of things.
 
Potentially epic match ongoing between Murray and Del Potro on day one of Great Britain vs. Argentina in the Davis Cup. 1 set all and 3 games all having just traded breaks.
Hoping to be home from work for at least the final hour of this bad boy!
 
ChrisNelson said:
Potentially epic match ongoing between Murray and Del Potro on day one of Great Britain vs. Argentina in the Davis Cup. 1 set all and 3 games all having just traded breaks.
Hoping to be home from work for at least the final hour of this bad boy!
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Fantastic match so far
 
Great win for Delpo. Bodes well for him going forward that he's beaten all the big names in the last few months.
 
Lets all hope Del Potro is back for good. We missed out on a multiple slam winner because of his fragile wrists.
 
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