Music Taylor Swift

Mockney said:
I see she’s apparently going to break Madonna’s record for something or other soon, but also… she’s not, is she? Not really. As whatever record it was Madonna set it in an age where people had to actually go out and physically buy the record in a place, which is just much more impressive and indicative of its genuine cultural significance.
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Except, of course, that Swift sells an incredible amount of actual records even this day. If you don't think Swift is culturally significant/relevant at this point, you're either living under a rock or you don't actually know what the term means. Then obviously, anyone are free to think anything they want about her music, but that's a different discussion.
Mockney said:
It’s like the Avatar films being the biggest films ever by dint of everyone seeing them in 3D and IMAX which are necessarily more expensive tickets, when actually Gone With The Wind or Jurassic Park or whatever were actually seen by significantly more real people and ended up having way more impact on the cultural memory.
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Avatar was seen by far more people in theatres than Jurassic Park, though. Its sequel was also far more seen than any of Jurassic Park's sequels, and even more so than Jurassic Park itself. So don't know what you're on about here.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ah. Ok. Then I completely misunderstood. I thought it was some sort of official surge pricing model. If it’s just touts then that’s a story as old as the hills. And not the artists fault.
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The artists get paid from resale too. It’s a scam. Artists sell X amount of tickets through reselling accounts. Legalised scalping.

There are other ways. Sites like TicketSwap restrict the resale price to a certain percentage of face value. There’s simply no need for ticket costs to spiral as they have. It’s greed and profiteering. There’s no service there. It’s no good anyone trotting out ‘it’s supply and demand’. It’s legalised price gouging.

Already went on a silly rant elsewhere in this thread so won’t go again, but the whole system is broken.
 
This happened during her last performance in Paris.



What the hell is wrong with some people? Just find someone to babysit that baby at home, for God's sake!:annoyed::mad:
 
Sassy Colin said:
We had this karaoke at work last week and all the kids were doing Taylor Swift after Taylor Swift songs.

What a lot of dross, why is she so popular?
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She usually sings the songs herself. They sound better that way.
 
Sassy Colin said:
We had this karaoke at work last week and all the kids were doing Taylor Swift after Taylor Swift songs.

What a lot of dross, why is she so popular?
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Dunno. My son is a total acolyte and irritates the heck out of me when he commands the audio in our car and then instructs me as to how amazing each track is. Yeah, stick Fred Again back on please mate.

It’s not that I think she’s crap just that I can’t understand how she’s so huge / popular when it’s all so average. Is that how bad kids have it with music in this era? Poor lambs.
 
Volumiza said:
Dunno. My son is a total acolyte and irritates the heck out of me when he commands the audio in our car and then instructs me as to how amazing each track is. Yeah, stick Fred Again back on please mate.

It’s not that I think she’s crap just that I can’t understand how she’s so huge / popular when it’s all so average. Is that how bad kids have it with music in this era? Poor lambs.
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It’s the combination of being relentlessly bland and similar that makes it hard to understand the obsession. Like literally the same structure and melody. Again and again. I think that’s the main reason her songs are so un-memorable. They all meld into each other in your brain, as sort of saccharine sludge.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It’s the combination of being relentlessly bland and similar that makes it hard to understand the obsession. Like literally the same structure and melody. Again and again. I think that’s the main reason her songs are so un-memorable. They all meld into each other in your brain, as sort of saccharine sludge.
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Jesus Pogue, in my efforts to not spread, or at least add to global negativity I was trying desperately to avoid using descriptives like the bolded but god speed young man, say it exactly how it is :)

You’re totally right by the way. I can only compare to Madonna, who was the female pop queen back in my day and even though I wasn’t a huge Madonna fan (her music was shite stoned or chewing my face off) her tracks were genuine pop monsters and each album sounded quite different to the last, she evolved.
 
So Eras Tour was pretty incredible. Never been to such a well produced show before, and the atmosphere was just off the charts. A lot of songs, but I think the format with the Eras works well and keeps up the interest throughout. Folkmore and Red were the best eras. The noise from the crowd was something else, never before have I heard anything like it. Would go again.
 
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until reading this thread just now I always assumed the people paying 1000s for tickets were just a minority buying from a secondary market

but actually nah they actually charge that in the US face value

that's so unaffordable to the average fan, and how do her fans continue to think she gives a single feck about them? (I mean I know it's PR, but still..)
 
Tarrou said:
until reading this thread just now I always assumed the people paying 1000s for tickets were just a minority buying from a secondary market

but actually nah they actually charge that in the US face value

that's so unaffordable to the average fan, and how do her fans continue to think she gives a single feck about them? (I mean I know it's PR, but still..)
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They don't though.
 
Everytime I see this thread bumped I cant help but click it, in the hope of someone finally posting something that can help me get even a vague understanding, of were these over 30 year old football forum posting men are coming from in their devotion to a pop star aimed at 15-17 year old girls. But everytime I just leave more confused, it's like trying to understand a different species, I am just going to have to file it under other things I'll never understand, like furries or my little pony bros or wwe fans or the appeal of duafcs' latest pizza attempt.
 
Hozierstanks said:
Everytime I see this thread bumped I cant help but click it, in the hope of someone finally posting something that can help me get even a vague understanding, of were these over 30 year old football forum posting men are coming from in their devotion to a pop star aimed at 15-17 year old girls. But everytime I just leave more confused, it's like trying to understand a different species, I am just going to have to file it under other things I'll never understand, like furries or my little pony bros or wwe fans or the appeal of duafcs' latest pizza attempt.
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I wouldn’t count myself among those, but I’d say it’s a mistake to assume her music is still aimed at teenagers. Her latest music is more mature than that.

And in general her popularity has as much to do with clever marketing and social media engagement than the quality of her music - I think that’s pretty clear.
 
Hozierstanks said:
Everytime I see this thread bumped I cant help but click it, in the hope of someone finally posting something that can help me get even a vague understanding, of were these over 30 year old football forum posting men are coming from in their devotion to a pop star aimed at 15-17 year old girls. But everytime I just leave more confused, it's like trying to understand a different species, I am just going to have to file it under other things I'll never understand, like furries or my little pony bros or wwe fans or the appeal of duafcs' latest pizza attempt.
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What is confusing with people liking catchy pop tunes?
 
Mike Smalling said:
I wouldn’t count myself among those, but I’d say it’s a mistake to assume her music is still aimed at teenagers. Her latest music is more mature than that.

And in general her popularity has as much to do with clever marketing and social media engagement than the quality of her music - I think that’s pretty clear.
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I dont know, I heard some of her more recent lyrics and it just seems like terrible rhythms that are really on the nose, with a swear word maybe thrown in to seem mature to appeal to some teenagers. I mean isnt the stuff the same thing as before just music about boys she broke up with, how does it get more mature.

CoopersDream said:
What is confusing with people liking catchy pop tunes?
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There's nothing confusing about that lots of people will like one or two pop songs that sound catchy from an artist but to post about their every song and make 100 top song lists and buy differnet album verisons and discuss in depth what they did recently and pay an absolute fortune to go to their show as an adult seems hard to grasp to me. Like what other pop acts do you like that you've posted about or gone to see live?
 
Hozierstanks said:
I dont know, I heard some of her more recent lyrics and it just seems like terrible rhythms that are really on the nose, with a swear word maybe thrown in to seem mature to appeal to some teenagers. I mean isnt the stuff the same thing as before just music about boys she broke up with, how does it get more mature.
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I'm hardly an expert, but I did listen to the Folklore album from late 2020 a few times, and that definitely wasn't similar to some of her earlier stuff. I actually thought it was quite enjoyable without being amazing. It's not all "We are never ever getting back together" and "Shake it off" anymore. But to be fair, I haven't listened to any of her most recent stuff.

But it's been a general theme is this thread that the people that proclaim they don't understand her popularity are not really interested in understanding it. It's fairly well-crafted pop music combined with lots of fan engagement and a likeable personality (from the perspective of her fans). And then the fact that the people in their 30's who are fans of her now has kind of "grown up" with her. She's been constantly present pumping out albums for 18 years. Not sure there is anyone really comparable in that sense.
 
Hozierstanks said:
Everytime I see this thread bumped I cant help but click it, in the hope of someone finally posting something that can help me get even a vague understanding, of were these over 30 year old football forum posting men are coming from in their devotion to a pop star aimed at 15-17 year old girls. But everytime I just leave more confused, it's like trying to understand a different species, I am just going to have to file it under other things I'll never understand, like furries or my little pony bros or wwe fans or the appeal of duafcs' latest pizza attempt.
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I think a lot of people feel or felt this way about it including myself, it’s a cultural phenomenon and very interesting

but the answers don’t really come from trying to understand her music or her as an artist in my opinion (whilst maybe a small part of it does)

I’ve personally felt a much better understanding from reading this thread, with regards to the way the music industry has changed, society has changed, and the huge PR machine that’s behind it all. All contributing to the size of her fame and impact on modern culture being bigger than artists in the past, who in my view at least, she doesn't really hold a candle to

I’ll admit having listening to her out of curiosity my appreciation of her as an artist has increased, but the real answers are much more interesting than simply music I or we (the non fans) as a society just don’t get

And I think some of the arguments and misunderstandings in this thread are simply different sides debating very different aspects of this topic (with a lot of trolling sprinkled in for good measure)
 
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Hozierstanks said:
There's nothing confusing about that lots of people will like one or two pop songs that sound catchy from an artist but to post about their every song and make 100 top song lists and buy differnet album verisons and discuss in depth what they did recently and pay an absolute fortune to go to their show as an adult seems hard to grasp to me. Like what other pop acts do you like that you've posted about or gone to see live?
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I'm not really sure what you're talking about except the top 100 thing, which seemed to be a half serious thing anyway. I'm not even sure how it's possible to properly rank a top 100 of anything, though.

Why is it weird going a concert? I attend a ton of concert every year, this is just one of them. It's also a sort of unique show in many ways, as well as also being an absolutely magnificent one.
 
CoopersDream said:
So Eras Tour was pretty incredible. Never been to such a well produced show before, and the atmosphere was just off the charts. A lot of songs, but I think the format with the Eras works well and keeps up the interest throughout. Folkmore and Red were the best eras. The noise from the crowd was something else, never before have I heard anything like it. Would go again.
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Glad you enjoyed it. That vibe of the crowd noise roaring along with adoration and none of the football terrace ugliness is truly amasing. I saw the Reputation tour and it was fantastic. For Eras, I got 2 tickets but they were taken off me by my wife and daughter, so had to watch the filmed concert as a consolation.
 
CoopersDream said:
I'm not really sure what you're talking about except the top 100 thing, which seemed to be a half serious thing anyway. I'm not even sure how it's possible to properly rank a top 100 of anything, though.

Why is it weird going a concert? I attend a ton of concert every year, this is just one of them. It's also a sort of unique show in many ways, as well as also being an absolutely magnificent one.
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Out of interest, what other acts have you seen live recently? I find it hard to imagine that anyone can listen to other, better musicians performing live and not find Taylor Swift’s stuff painfully anodyne in comparison.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Out of interest, what other acts have you seen live recently? I find it hard to imagine that anyone can listen to other, better musicians performing live and not find Taylor Swift’s stuff painfully anodyne in comparison.
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Hm, let's see. I went to Berlin last fall and saw Weyes Blood (great), I saw this funueral doom band called Bell Witch a while back (they're songs are like 80 min so they usually play one song). Then I was over at the O2 in London a few months back to see John Mayer (always brilliant live). Next month there is Massive Attack, Chelsea Wolfe and Tool and I will try and see Dinosaur Jr as well.

Anyway, live music is as much about atmosphere and energy from the crowd as anything, and in regards to that this was unmatched. I've been to hip hop shows where I've disliked or not known about the artist/group and had incredible times because the energy from the crowd lifts the entire experience.
 
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I think she's a robot sent from the future to kill John Connor but got slightly sidetracked.
 
Folklore and Evermore were a bit boring but they made her a music critics darling

Midnights had some good tunes it was about a 7/10 and Anti-Hero was an absolute smash hit

Haven't even listened to the latest album it sounds like a drag to get through in full as it seems to lack any really good pop songs and that's really the pull of Taylor for me

She peaked with 1989 in 2014. Its been a decade since that album which is her only great album yet she's more popular than ever you have to say fair play to her
 
Really smart of her to release so many slightly different versions of the same album so the fans buy it 5 times. She'd be dirt poor otherwise.
 
She cost me a fortune in the weekend. Without me even being at the fecking concert, so I do not like her music (more than before).
 
CoopersDream said:
Hm, let's see. I went to Berlin last fall and saw Weyes Blood (great), I saw this funueral doom band called Bell Witch a while back (they're songs are like 80 min so they usually play one song). Then I was over at the O2 in London a few months back to see John Mayer (always brilliant live). Next month there is Massive Attack, Chelsea Wolfe and Tool and I will try and see Dinosaur Jr as well.

Anyway, live music is as much about atmosphere and energy from the crowd as anything, and in regards to that this was unmatched. I've been to hip hop shows where I've disliked or not known about the artist/group and had incredible times because the energy from the crowd lifts the entire experience.
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Wow. You have diverse tastes! Live experience aside it’s kind of fascinating to me that you would enjoy Taylor Swift’s music as much as those other bands. I wouldn’t be a fan of all of them myself but they all seem infinitely more interesting than anything she puts out.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wow. You have diverse tastes! Live experience aside it’s kind of fascinating to me that you would enjoy Taylor Swift’s music as much as those other bands. I wouldn’t be a fan of all of them myself but they all seem infinitely more interesting than anything she puts out.
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Really? You don't enjoy her music?!
 
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Folklore and Evermore were a bit boring but they made her a music critics darling

Midnights had some good tunes it was about a 7/10 and Anti-Hero was an absolute smash hit

Haven't even listened to the latest album it sounds like a drag to get through in full as it seems to lack any really good pop songs and that's really the pull of Taylor for me

She peaked with 1989 in 2014. Its been a decade since that album which is her only great album yet she's more popular than ever you have to say fair play to her
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Interestingly, this is an assessment that I completely agree with. For me, very well summarised.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Wow. You have diverse tastes! Live experience aside it’s kind of fascinating to me that you would enjoy Taylor Swift’s music as much as those other bands. I wouldn’t be a fan of all of them myself but they all seem infinitely more interesting than anything she puts out.
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Yeah, but I think it boils down to that it's just so drastically different and I look for very different things when I listen to Taylor as opposed to say Floyd or something. Otherwise I'd just listen to Time or Shine on you crazy Diamond on repeat. I think on the mainstream pop scene of the past 15 years, she's one of the best.
 
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