i didnt have the second option nor do i have it now when i go to edit....will ask the mods.
Tactical Draft
- Thread starter Šjor Bepo
- Start date
i didnt have the second option nor do i have it now when i go to edit....will ask the mods.
Yes, fine by me.
SCHEDULE
Friday 26.05 - 2mufc0 v RedTiger
Friday 26.05 - PatMustard v Downcast/MJJ/Arbitrium
Friday 26.05 - Tuppet v Boris
Saturday 27.05 - Raees/Invictus v Onenil/Anders
Sunday 28.05 - harms/Joga Bonito v Oaencha
Friday 26.05 - 2mufc0 v RedTiger
Friday 26.05 - PatMustard v Downcast/MJJ/Arbitrium
Friday 26.05 - Tuppet v Boris
Saturday 27.05 - Raees/Invictus v Onenil/Anders
Sunday 28.05 - harms/Joga Bonito v Oaencha
@Šjor Bepo
Glad that you have taken into account my suggestion about the disclaimer thing
Now, if we want to attract more viewers and participants in the discussions >>> we may try more attractive titles IMO
Like 'Who will be at his best: Seeler or Mazzola?' or something else !
Glad that you have taken into account my suggestion about the disclaimer thing
Now, if we want to attract more viewers and participants in the discussions >>> we may try more attractive titles IMO
Like 'Who will be at his best: Seeler or Mazzola?' or something else !
When does our game start?
Is @Pat_Mustard ready?
Is @Pat_Mustard ready?
Aye, submitted my stuff yesterday. I'm happy for it to start any time.
@RedTiger we on today?
Hopefully bro
During the game, you will certainly show some videos: if the videos lasts less than 10 minutes, please could you put Stremable links instead of Youtube links >>> very quick to transform a Youtube video into a streamable video?
With streamable, there are less lags for those who use mobile or have a poor internet connection
https://streamable.com/
Sorry we never got back to Skizzo. I think he's busy over the weekend so put us in for Monday if that's okay with @Skizzo.
Sure mate, I've never used streamable but I'll give it a bash.
@Raees @Invictus @Anders Emil Våge @Šjor Bepo
Can we time the start of our match to say 2-3 hours before the FA Cup final kicks off?
Thanks
Can we time the start of our match to say 2-3 hours before the FA Cup final kicks off?
Thanks
Monday works for me. Already sent my write up in, so whatever time on Monday works for the thread to go up
Good luck to you and @Moby looking forward to seeing what you guys came up with.
Won't be up for long as UEFA have filed a copyrights claims, have filed a momentary dispute so catch it while you can. Still can't believe there are no match compilations of Robson online, so it will be worth your while. Trying to use alternative methods to upload it on other medium, meanwhile.
A bit of context on the match. Plays in a midfield duo with Glenn Hoddle (yes, really and that was a frequent pairing on the international stage for England iirc), and plays the more disciplined role but still gets forward aplenty whilst providing the steel and discipline in midfield - all in all a proper midfield general performance. Personally, I don't think it was his greatest game but it does a great job of highlighting his sheer will (the man did come back from three successive leg breaks over the space of the year, at the start of his career after all). It was freaking humid and England were desperately pinned against the wall by the excellent Dutch side, but he conjured up an equaliser out of nowhere, and completely changed the complexion of the game. Never stopped running and completely revitalised England and the very course of the game. Of course, MvB's eventual magic meant it was all pointless but it very much showed the resoluteness and defensive astuteness that he possessed. Most importantly the discipline to be the midfield glue and also be the talismanic influence for England.
I'll let the performance speak for itself - Robson in a midfield duo with Hoddle (no slight against him btw, just the silly and typical archaic set-up by England) against the carre magique of France with Platini at it's helm.
Thought these videos might shed a wee bit of light on the discussion that was going on earlier. Whilst Robson was a classy operator and an excellent goalscorer with a real eye for a pass, his mentality and defensive game, esp his tactical discipline in particular should never be questioned. This was the eighties when a box to box meant precisely that, and none of the Stevie G bollocks. For instance, there is another match, against Liverpool, that I will be uploading soon and United were pushing for the lead but needed Robson's vision at the back, and his reading of the game (cover) more than an another body in the box (we'd already subbed on forward and didn't need another body), thus Robbo slotted in as a sweeper behind with the game poised at 1-1 (we needed the win to go to the top of the table). Could I see Gerrard doing that? Never in a million years.
Edit: Reading that I came a bit too harsh and didn't mean to imply that you guys were questioning his tactical discipline or something but it's become rather fashionable to potentially overweigh Robson's attacking contributions and underweigh his defensive ones (or his tactical discipline for the lack of a better word). Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.
Cheers, be sure to check out his game against France too btw.
@Joga Bonito
Great videos, thanks.
Didn't know much about Robson before, but he comes across as a truly complete CM. Nice that you included more than just the touches, his reading of situations and his movement are brilliant.
Great videos, thanks.
Didn't know much about Robson before, but he comes across as a truly complete CM. Nice that you included more than just the touches, his reading of situations and his movement are brilliant.
@Joga Bonito
Great job
In general, you may create dailymotion/streamable accounts there to make sure the videos won't disappear.
these videos are new as I do remember the lack of footage when I used him 1 month ago
Great job
In general, you may create dailymotion/streamable accounts there to make sure the videos won't disappear.
these videos are new as I do remember the lack of footage when I used him 1 month ago
Cheers.
Aye, I've used dailymotion before (uploaded videos of Carlos Alberto and McGrath) but it's blocked for me now unfortunately. Harms will be able to upload it there though, so no worries.
Unsure why but yours and EAP's quotes merged for some reason. So will just tag you @Raees
Joga's videos of Robson on dailymotion, in case they'll get blocked on youtube
@Joga Bonito that video confirms to me
a) that English footballers in general pre the golden generation actually were proper footballers in possession and the 80s vintage had a very technically gifted midfield Barnes, Hoddle, Robson, Waddle and guys like Platt/ Beardsley wtf.. so much class there
b) talent wise Robson is probably the most gifted all round British central midfielder of modern times and Id put him ahead of Keane and Scholes. Very good agility on the ball, superb tackler, creative passer but can also dictate tempo and can score goals.
Brilliant stuff.
a) that English footballers in general pre the golden generation actually were proper footballers in possession and the 80s vintage had a very technically gifted midfield Barnes, Hoddle, Robson, Waddle and guys like Platt/ Beardsley wtf.. so much class there
b) talent wise Robson is probably the most gifted all round British central midfielder of modern times and Id put him ahead of Keane and Scholes. Very good agility on the ball, superb tackler, creative passer but can also dictate tempo and can score goals.
Brilliant stuff.
Agreed, they had plenty of class and creativity but for some reason or other didn't have a clue how to utilise them and were archaic to say the least. The match against France is a great example.
Cheers, although I'd place Scholes ahead in terms of pure talent on the ball (esp the playmaking part) but I get where you are coming from regarding being gifted in terms of all-roundedness.
Agree.... my poster name may give that away though?
I think Keane was an amazing player (at all levels) and a key factor in the success of United in the 90's - privileged to watch both, everything Keane had, Robson had and vice-versa.
The differentiating factor for me is that Robson did it without the quality of players that Keane was surrounded by.... they were by no means rubbish but not Scholes, Cantona, Giggs, Ince, Stam, Schmeicel levels.
I've lost track of the number of games that Robson elevated the 80's sides and by ability and sheer mental toughness, almost single-handedly dragged them to amazing victories.
Captain Marvel indeed.
How should England have lined-up in the 80s to get the best out of the players?
1. Hire a ref who calls handballs.
The 86 and 90 teams were actually pretty good and I don't think they did much wrong.
In 86, they had a terrible decision against them and lost by the odd goal in three to the winners and in particular, a player who gave the best ever individual World Cup performance. Similar in 90, narrowly lost to the winners again and personally, I thought they were the better side on the night.
You can't win a World Cup without being a very good team (obvs?!) but you also need a little break sometimes. Ref gives handball, England may have won 86.... couple of decent penalties and could have won 90. (Also could have won Euro 96).
Fine margins?
Unbelievable game really, the insane tempo of it and of course tackles flying in and out and people bouncing off each other
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So you all know by now that I'm Streltsov's fanboy. In light of tomorrow's game, I gave you his highlights from 3 international games (all three - 1967), the only full games with him that are available.
A friendly against France
European Championship qualification against Austria
And the second game against Austria (the least impressive out of three tbh)
1. Eduard Streltsov by @harms :
A friendly against France
European Championship qualification against Austria
And the second game against Austria (the least impressive out of three tbh)
1. Eduard Streltsov by @harms :
I have considered him in the EE draft but I haven't analysed this option in depth maybe because of a lack footage or because of his positioning (a support striker?).
We will learn about him in the games
Thought you guys might be interested in checking out Streltsov positioning and his playing style.
Excuse me while I alert the IRA, I'll just be a moment.
Great stuff @Joga Bonito on Robson as always.
@harms do you have some videos for the earlier Streltsov, before he went to prison? I think it will be great to see his different "incarnations". He looks a bit like Bergkamp in those videos, possibly even in his positional play and style.
@harms do you have some videos for the earlier Streltsov, before he went to prison? I think it will be great to see his different "incarnations". He looks a bit like Bergkamp in those videos, possibly even in his positional play and style.
How many to play R1 still?
Only his goals, sadly. From all accounts (I've read pretty much everything on him), he was faster and more akin to young Ronaldo/Pele, all-rounded force of nature with brilliant finishing. After the imprisonment he was, of course, significantly slower and overall out of, I don't know if the word can be applied here, but form (7 years without football!) - so he used his intelligence and all those flicks and passes more, moving a little deeper. He never was an egoistical player though, even in his younger days, in fact he was one of the least selfish strikers (possibly ever), especially from the ones with his goalscoring record
Goal against Poland (fantastic, really)
Goal against West Germany, WC champions. Yashin -> Streltsov -> goal, it's that easy
+ vs Hungary (a good one) and Romania (nothing special, poacher's goal, and an awful camera angle)
2 games tomorrow