Surveillance Draft

Pat_Mustard said:
:lol: We'd have to reverse Anto's disciplinary record idea from the Vegas Draft and penalise managers for picking players with insufficient red cards. Its criminal that Chic Charnley has never took centre stage in one of these drafts.
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If there was a red card rule in place i would never have picked Ramos as much as i like his Cb/Rb versatility. ;)
 
Pat_Mustard said:
He deserves better than picking splinters out of his arse on the subs' bench ;)
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Indeed, he does, it took so long I was starting to get excited. All the previous questions are because I'm strongly considering picking my subs before completing the side. I have a perfect sub for Nedved I'm baffled hasn't been picked. Then I can sub Nedved if injured or bring him on and shift Nedved pretty much anywhere in midfield in the event of an injury.
 
Pat_Mustard said:
Once we've all finished drafting I'd be interested to see an outline of the team you planned to draft around him. I love Larsson, so its nice to see that he's got some fans on here.
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I'll mention a few unpicked players I was thinking after the draft but my overall strategy remained the same.

I started with thinking I'd pick Larsson somewhere between 7-10 round. That combined with the injury rule led me to prioritize players in multiple positions. I wanted my team as a whole to be able to use two different formations depending on injuries with everyone still in a natural role. Maldini I had ranked right after Messi for this draft because of the injury rule. Henry for example I would play striker or wide left. Mendieta can play CM or even wide right in a pinch. Ramos was like Maldini on the right with Rb/Cb covered. Mascherano could cover a Cb if necessary. Marchisio can play all roles in midfield making him able to cover for several positions. I also wanted pace in my team as that fit the theme of this era.

The goal for me, which I mostly maintained except for bottling the no mates rule with Ferdinand, was to be be able to slot Larsson into main striker or SS depending on how the draft went. I wanted to be able to play either a 352 or 442 based on injuries/subs/etc. You can still see remnants of that overall strategy in my picks of Maldini, Ferdinand and Ramos. Also I wanted two different options for other strikers. Some sort a support striker like a Shearer maybe and then another fast striker like Henry to choose from depending on opponent, injuries, etc.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I'll mention a few unpicked players I was thinking after the draft but my overall strategy remained the same.

I started with thinking I'd pick Larsson somewhere between 7-10 round. That combined with the injury rule led me to prioritize players in multiple positions. I wanted my team as a whole to be able to use two different formations depending on injuries with everyone still in a natural role. Maldini I had ranked right after Messi for this draft because of the injury rule. Henry for example I would play striker or wide left. Mendieta can play CM or even wide right in a pinch. Ramos was like Maldini on the right with Rb/Cb covered. Mascherano could cover a Cb if necessary. Marchisio can play all roles in midfield making him able to cover for several positions. I also wanted pace in my team as that fit the theme of this era.

The goal for me, which I mostly maintained except for bottling the no mates rule with Ferdinand, was to be be able to slot Larsson into main striker or SS depending on how the draft went. I wanted to be able to play either a 352 or 442 based on injuries/subs/etc. You can still see remnants of that overall strategy in my picks of Maldini, Ferdinand and Ramos. Also I wanted two different options for other strikers. Some sort a support striker like a Shearer maybe and then another fast striker like Henry to choose from depending on opponent, injuries, etc.
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I did notice the emphasis on versatile players. It's a good thing the constraints meant we increasingly went our separate ways or else I'd be worried every time you have to pick.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I'll mention a few unpicked players I was thinking after the draft but my overall strategy remained the same.

I started with thinking I'd pick Larsson somewhere between 7-10 round. That combined with the injury rule led me to prioritize players in multiple positions. I wanted my team as a whole to be able to use two different formations depending on injuries with everyone still in a natural role. Maldini I had ranked right after Messi for this draft because of the injury rule. Henry for example I would play striker or wide left. Mendieta can play CM or even wide right in a pinch. Ramos was like Maldini on the right with Rb/Cb covered. Mascherano could cover a Cb if necessary. Marchisio can play all roles in midfield making him able to cover for several positions. I also wanted pace in my team as that fit the theme of this era.

The goal for me, which I mostly maintained except for bottling the no mates rule with Ferdinand, was to be be able to slot Larsson into main striker or SS depending on how the draft went. I wanted to be able to play either a 352 or 442 based on injuries/subs/etc. You can still see remnants of that overall strategy in my picks of Maldini, Ferdinand and Ramos. Also I wanted two different options for other strikers. Some sort a support striker like a Shearer maybe and then another fast striker like Henry to choose from depending on opponent, injuries, etc.
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Good post mate. I was looking at Marchisio myself due to his versatility efore you picked him.
 
Physiocrat said:
Reminder about how injuries and tactical changes work.

The probability is that each team will have 1/2 an injury per game. The maximum number is 2 per team. You name a three man bench and can make a max of two subs. The players who are injured are injured for the following game but will recover for the later one. eg. Injured in R1 misses QF but is fit for the SF.

When the match starts whoever sets the match up (probably me) will randomise the numbers 2-41 and send the results of who is injured (both managers know who is injured so they can predict the other manager's changes) or not to the managers who should then PM me back with any changes they want to make and I'll update the thread at 8hrs. At 8hrs another randomisation will take place following the same format. If managers like they can make two subs at either 8 or 16hrs. The only constraint is that it subs or tactics changes take place in those time periods and doesn't involves more than two subs.

NB. You need to give your players squad numbers for it to work and keepers cannot be injured.
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Can a sub be injured? For example you put someone on at the 8th hour mark and at the 16th he gets injured?

From what I understand there will be 2 injured players in total during the game - it can be one for each side or 2 for one side.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Can a sub be injured? For example you put someone on at the 8th hour mark and at the 16th he gets injured?

From what I understand there will be 2 injured players in total during the game - it can be one for each side or 2 for one side.
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No, both teams have the shirt numbers + another ~30 empty seats randomised twice.

So yes, not only can the sub be injured, but he can be injured by a splinter.
 
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Van Persie



The sheer technique on show in that video. Just about every goal is classy as feck. :drool::(





Andreas Möller







This deserves to be posted just for the song choice alone :lol::lol::lol:
 
:lol: Moller was the one I was talking about as the sub I was bringing forward ahead of completing the XI. In fact, maybe I got you thinking with that comment, seeing as we both have Nedved? :lol:

I was amazed he was still knocking about.
 
Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís

The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg 9. Julio Cesar

Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller

@Pat_Mustard
 
I'm really surprised that most haven't looked into Möller yet. I thought that he would have been picked way sooner than Round 9.
 
The funny thing is I was considering those two exact picks: Moller shifting Nedved elsewhere and RVP as the RVN sub.
 
antohan said:
:lol: Moller was the one I was talking about as the sub I was bringing forward ahead of completing the XI. In fact, maybe I got you thinking with that comment, seeing as we both have Nedved? :lol:

I was amazed he was still knocking about.
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Nah, I had him from the off as an option.
 
I've considered picking them a few times but judging priority has pushed them down the order. Hopefully pick him up when it comes to reinforcements.
 
Joga Bonito said:
Nah, I had him from the off as an option.
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Fair enough. That's why I've kept delaying going for a LW, I was quite happy with the notion of Moller central and Nedved out left. In fact, I may well end up that way and reverse the logic in the event of an injury. It's just I was so obvious with my post and then you picked him :lol:

P-Nut0712 said:
I've considered picking them a few times but judging priority has pushed them down the order. Hopefully pick him up when it comes to reinforcements.
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You've got to take down Team Joga first though :devil:
 
antohan said:
You've got to take down Team Joga first though :devil:
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I wasn't on about the player he picked. Was talking about the player no one has picked yet. Also meant picking them from round 12 onwards.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Can a sub be injured? For example you put someone on at the 8th hour mark and at the 16th he gets injured?

From what I understand there will be 2 injured players in total during the game - it can be one for each side or 2 for one side.
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There should be on average 1 injury per game (so 0.5 per side per game). Anyone who is on the pitch can be injured.
 
Physiocrat said:
There should be on average 1 injury per game (so 0.5 per side per game). Anyone who is on the pitch can be injured.
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yeah that's what I meant. My question was whether if you make a sub on the 8th hour mark that sub can be injured in the 16th (as in if he's in the pool for the second randomizer).
 
antohan said:
I did notice the emphasis on versatile players. It's a good thing the constraints meant we increasingly went our separate ways or else I'd be worried every time you have to pick.
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Indeed. I like how these constraints are giving people different directions. Teams seem a bit more diverse and some players I would have thought picked for sure have not been even now.
 
A lot of talk about versatility, now as good a time as any to talk about antonio conte. One of my favourite players form juventus back in the day, he could do a little bit of everything and is rightly regarded as one of their greats.
 
DavidG said:
A lot of talk about versatility, now as good a time as any to talk about antonio conte. One of my favourite players form juventus back in the day, he could do a little bit of everything and is rightly regarded as one of their greats.
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Aye, he's an excellent player. Picked him before as well, he can do well in a diamond or a midfield 2/3. I'm not sure if he featured before in drafts but he's quality
 
Pretty sure he featured in the 70s draft in a not particularly orthodox formation. Conte and Di Livio were both very handy for the sort of assymetric approaches Juve have typically gone for.
 
antohan said:
Pretty sure he featured in the 70s draft in a not particularly orthodox formation. Conte and Di Livio were both very handy for the sort of assymetric approaches Juve have typically gone for.
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I love asymmetric approaches.
 
The quality of keepers is better than I expected. Thought there'd be more of an outside of the box approach to stop any reinforcement blocks.
 
Gio - 1. Messi 2. Cafu 3. Cannavaro 4. Gerrard 5. Makelele 6. Brian Laudrup 7. Prosinečki 8. Claudio Lopez 9. Filipe Luís

The Stain - 1. Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Batistuta 3. Iniesta 4. Mauro Silva 5. Sagnol 6. Popescu 7. Terry 8. McManaman 9. Jarni

OneNil - 1. Maldini 2. Ferdinand 3. Henry 4. Mendieta 5. Mascherano 6. S. Ramos 7. Marchisio 8. Caniggia 9. Maicon

DavidG - 1. Ronaldo 2. Godin 3. Bergkamp 4. Evra 5. Veron 6. Conte 7. Ledley King 8. Albelda 9. Mostovoi

Raees/Invictus 1. Nesta 2. Davids 3. Scholes 4. Ribery 5. Chiellini 6. Essien 7. W Samuel 8. Jens Lehmann 9. L Guily

Bleezy 1. Sammer 2. R. Carlos 3. D. Alves 4. Torres 5. Ballack 6. Del Piero 7. Petit 8. Sneijder 9. Couto

Skizzo/Annah 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lizarazu 3. Robben 4. G. Neville 5. Guardiola 6. Simeone 7. Gamarra 8. Baraja 9. Buffon

Mazhar/Enigma 1. Desailly 2. Zanetti 3. Giggs 4. Vidal 5. Shevchenko 6. Raúl 7. David Silva 8. Wörns 9. Pessotto

Tuppet 1. Zidane 2. Schweinsteiger 3. Stam 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Luis Enrique 6. Forlan 7. Panucci 8. Kompany 9. Cech

VivaJanuzaj/EAP 1. P Lahm 2. L. Suarez 3. Effenberg 4. Shearer 5. Overmars 6. Pires 7. Abidal 8. Hyypia 9. Senna

Physiocrat 1. Thuram 2. Modric 3. T.Silva 4. van Nistelrooy 5. Sol Campbell 6. G. Signori 7. Serginho 8. Kanchelskis 9. O.Kahn

Downcast 1. R. Baggio 2. Kaka 3. Etoo 4. Ayala 5. Maniche 6. Xabi Alonso 7. Candela 8. F. De Boer 9. Camoranesi

P-Nut 1. R. Keane 2. Vieira 3. Drogba 4. Rui Costa 5. Puyol 6. Barzagli 7. Carrick 8. Ginola 9. Garay

Aldo/prath92 1. Totti 2. Rivaldo 3. Vidic 4. Hierro 5. P. Montero 6. Z. Boban 7. Deco 8. Ljunberg 9. Julio Cesar

Pat Mustard 1. Redondo 2. Figo 3. A. Cole 4. Ferrara 5. Gascoigne 6. Villa 7. Petrescu 8. Boli 9. Larsson 10. Lloris

Joga Bonito 1. Xavi 2. Nedved 3. Seedorf 4. Carvalho 5. Deschamps 6. Lucio 7. Benarrivo 8. Neuer 9. van Persie 10. Möller

@Aldo @prath92
 
bleezy said:
The quality of keepers is better than I expected. Thought there'd be more of an outside of the box approach to stop any reinforcement blocks.
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I love it, always gave it for granted that since we are bottom in the 11th round we wouldn't get any good options unless we picked keeper at 10 or earlier.

feck that, I'll get him at 14th.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Yup, and the disparity is already quite big.
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Naughty boy, trying to influence the Goalkeeper Committee? :p

Why do I get the impression that now there's some expectation of goalies being the decider not in the event of a draw but also voter ambivalence?

There's another 10 players on the pitch. You will get disparity in each and every position, the question is which team will win the game overall and that includes -but obviously isn't limited to- the goalkeeper.
 
I'm struggling to find a keeper now so God knows how you're going to manage at the 14th pick @antohan
 
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