Super Bowl XLI

First of all, living in the Suburbs of Chicago, I'm a Bears fan. But even if I wasn't Sanders (on the Colts) is a Hawkeye. And I'll never support a fecking Iowa grad. Maybe I'm bias because I went to Iowa State.

The Bears are a better team. Bears win the Super Bowl and Cubs win the World Series... wouldn't that be something in the same year!!
 
MyBloodIsRed said:
First of all, living in the Suburbs of Chicago, I'm a Bears fan. But even if I wasn't Sanders (on the Colts) is a Hawkeye. And I'll never support a fecking Iowa grad. Maybe I'm bias because I went to Iowa State.

The Bears are a better team. Bears win the Super Bowl and Cubs win the World Series... wouldn't that be something in the same year!!

Not sure about the Super Bowl, but the Cubs aren't winning anytime soon.....
 
TheRedFlag said:
well i just did that 2nd team quiz on nfl.com and it told me to support the Colts, it did when the Playoffs first started this season:nervous:

TRF, a Pats fan supporting the Colts... that's almost blasphemy.....

Although, Brady did say that if the Pats weren't in the playoffs, he would be cheering for Peyton to win....
 
i know, i had a bit of sick in my mouth.

if Dungy was coach of another team, I would support them! but im screwed :(
 
Bears defense is vastly overrated. It's top class, but please no comparisons to the 85-86 Bears, 86 & 90 Giants, or the 2000 Ravens. I'd take the 92 Cowboys defense as well.
 
MyBloodIsRed said:
... and Cubs win the World Series... wouldn't that be something in the same year!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

1908 and counting...

The Flubs should be the laughing stock of Chicago, instead their losing is celebrated as 'lovable'. Any Man Utd fan should know to support winning championships, unlike the north siders of Chicago.

Face it, the Cubs suck.
 
MrMarcello said:
Bears defense is vastly overrated. It's top class, but please no comparisons to the 85-86 Bears, 86 & 90 Giants, or the 2000 Ravens. I'd take the 92 Cowboys defense as well.

It isn't only the defense though, Hester is a huuuuuuuge thread on any return. I wouldn't be surprised if they used him again on offense as well. Even when he doesn't score, he nearly always gives the offense a short field, and in turn, the defense a lot of room to make mistakes and still not get scored on.
 
rrarraroon said:
It isn't only the defense though, Hester is a huuuuuuuge thread on any return. I wouldn't be surprised if they used him again on offense as well. Even when he doesn't score, he nearly always gives the offense a short field, and in turn, the defense a lot of room to make mistakes and still not get scored on.

Hester is fantastic on returns (not sure how much CB he plays). I wanted Dallas to draft him but the dumbasses took Anthony Fasano (already had Jason Witten) instead when other areas were more priority than TE (like FS, WR, OL). They then drafted Skyler Green in rd 4... he turned out crap.

I get sick of hearing how great this Bears defense is. It's not that great. It's hyped because of how great the 85 Bears D was. We heard how great the 2001 Bears D was... the 2005 version as well. Anytime the Bears field a good defense, it's labeled great. This defense is solid. Not great. But if they shut down Manning and Co., they earn the title of great. Knocking off teams like Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, etc., isn't difficult.

I'm also a little sick about Tank Johnson being activated to play. Talk about "win at all costs" thinking. That guy should be off the team. Why is a guy on a high six figure salary stocking an army in his house? Especially with kids around. And this thing about his "bodyguard" leaves me suspicisious of what activities are going on. Speaking of bodyguard, since when did a 300lb man need security? Leave the gangsta mentality at the door when you sign a professional sports contract.

Us Dallas fans got stick about Leon Lett all the time... not hearing much about Tank and his army. Not to mention his insulting of "white America" during his interview the other day.
 
MrMarcello said:
Why is a guy on a high six figure salary stocking an army in his house?

Maybe if the states outlawed guns this wouldn't be a problem.
 
MrMarcello said:
Bears defense is vastly overrated. It's top class, but please no comparisons to the 85-86 Bears, 86 & 90 Giants, or the 2000 Ravens. I'd take the 92 Cowboys defense as well.



I'd take the entire 92 Cowboys team! Has to be one of the all time best NFL teams ever assembled. Pro Bowl players at any postion. You knew what they were trying to do offensivel yet they couldn't be stopped.

I'll say that the Bears defense is getting hyped a lot because of their history of good defenses. But what they did earlier in the season was remarkable. Plus, they lead the league in takeaways, and it isn't by accident. Remember that they are missing their best DT in Tommie Harris too. Since he went down to injury they haven't looked the same IMO.
 
redyank said:
I'd take the entire 92 Cowboys team! Has to be one of the all time best NFL teams ever assembled. Pro Bowl players at any postion. You knew what they were trying to do offensivel yet they couldn't be stopped.

I'll say that the Bears defense is getting hyped a lot because of their history of good defenses. But what they did earlier in the season was remarkable. Plus, they lead the league in takeaways, and it isn't by accident. Remember that they are missing their best DT in Tommie Harris too. Since he went down to injury they haven't looked the same IMO.

92 Boys are ranked as the 5th best team of all-time on the current NFL Network "America's Game" program (IMO the 93 edition was more talented and deeper and had it not been for the 94 49ers cheating the salary cap, that team would have won 4 straight Super Bowls, and gone down as the greatest dynasty ever).

I figure the top 4 will include the 72 Dolphins, 85 Bears, 89 49ers, and one of those 70s Steelers teams. For my money, I'd bet the 89 49ers to beat any side. The 72 Dolphins went unbeaten but look at their schedule - creampuffs. Barely got through the playoffs with all 3 games decided by a combined 17 points. Great team no doubt. Best ever my ass. Only because they fluked an unbeaten season does anyone talk about them. The 73 edition was probably better but lost a couple games, though they did repeat.
 
MrMarcello said:
Best ever my ass. Only because they fluked an unbeaten season does anyone talk about them.

How do you "fluke an unbeaten season?"

You sound really bitter.
 
What of this Gillette guy, if he buys Liverpool, I don't know what I would do :(

I can't imagine me parting with the Pats, but our football means a whole lot more to me than American Football.

I suppose I might just have to go and support the Colts, as that is the team I am meant to support according to NFL.com :mad:


cnuts :mad: :mad:
 
TheRedFlag said:
What of this Gillette guy, if he buys Liverpool, I don't know what I would do :(

I can't imagine me parting with the Pats, but our football means a whole lot more to me than American Football.

I suppose I might just have to go and support the Colts, as that is the team I am meant to support according to NFL.com :mad:


cnuts :mad: :mad:

Gillette doesn't own the Pats, he owns the Montreal Canadians.....

So calm down.......
 
RedCanadian said:
Gillette doesn't own the Pats, he owns the Montreal Canadians.....

So calm down.......

Im getting my Krafts and Gillettes mixed up.

I thought Kraft was interested in buying the dippers too?
 
TheRedFlag said:
Im getting my Krafts and Gillettes mixed up.

I thought Kraft was interested in buying the dippers too?

probably cos the Pats stadium is called Gillette stadium, or something like that.
 
TheRedFlag said:
What of this Gillette guy, if he buys Liverpool, I don't know what I would do :(

I can't imagine me parting with the Pats, but our football means a whole lot more to me than American Football.

I suppose I might just have to go and support the Colts, as that is the team I am meant to support according to NFL.com :mad:


cnuts :mad: :mad:

please tell us how old you are
 
Interesting read...the Bears D line will really have to step up for 4 quarters if they have any chance.

http://www.superbowl.com/news/story/9963698

MIAMI (Jan. 30, 2007) -- Coaches can sit for days thinking about game plans, players can have walk-throughs and practices all night long, but in the end, games usually come down to matchups.

Can our left tackle block your right defensive end? Can our best corner take your best receiver out of the game? Can your running back make our linebacker miss in the open field? Can our punter keep the ball away from the deadly kick returner?

Pro football, more than college or high school football, is about matchups. Teams quickly recognize the matchups they can take advantage of and they exploit them as many times as possible until you do something about it. When a team overcompensates to repair a bad matchup, they usually cause a ripple effect somewhere else that good teams also go after.

For example, if the Bears find out in Super Bowl XLI that one of their cornerbacks can't handle Marvin Harrison by himself and they support the corner with safety help, then Peyton Manning will quickly throw to the backside to either Reggie Wayne or Dallas Clark. If the Colts coverage units can't contain return specialist Devin Hester then they may have to consider punting out of bounds or squibbing kickoffs, which results in pretty good field position for the Bears but it guarantees no returns for touchdowns.

Technically, there are 22 matchups of equal importance in any NFL game. One weak link in the chain, and a team can crumble. Here are the top 10 matchups in Super Bowl XLI and the possible ripple effect if one team has to overcompensate to support a player.

1. Colts WR Marvin Harrison vs. Bears CB Charles Tillman: Harrison is Manning's go-to guy, and they don't even need to talk to each other to be on the same wavelength. Tillman had a good season for Chicago, but when I watch game tapes of the Colts and see teams like Baltimore with its excellent corners give safety help over the top to defend Harrison, it should be expected that the Bears will not leave Tillman alone very often. If it's a straight Cover 2 defense, look for Harrison to run the corner routes and quick slants and Tillman will struggle. If the Bears let him play "heavy" on Harrison to take away the short route and trail the deep route, than Manning will go elsewhere. Whether Harrison is catching passes or occupying two defenders, this matchup goes to the Colts.

2. Colts WR Reggie Wayne vs. Bears CB Nathan Vasher: Wayne can be the primary receiver for the Colts, or he can be the worst nightmare on the backside of a rolled coverage towards Harrison. Vasher is a very good player and probably has a better chance singled up with Wayne than Tillman has with Harrison. But with tight end Dallas Clark running a seam route just inside of Wayne to hold off the safety, Vasher can call the coverage anything he wants to call it, but he has to cover Wayne on two critical routes. If Nathan plays soft and off, then Wayne runs a 12-yard out route. If he plays up and tight, then the go route is the issue. Vasher can hold up only if Brian Urlacher can hold off the Clark seam route by himself and safety Todd Johnson can help Vasher. This matchup is a push, but at what cost to the Bears?

3. Bears WR Bernard Berrian vs. Colts CB Nick Harper: The Colts are going to overplay the run early in this game like they have throughout the playoffs. Harper is going to be left on an island against the speedy wide receiver a few times early in the first quarter, just daring Rex Grossman to throw the deep ball. People on the inside around the NFL believe the Bears will take a few deep shots early in this game to Berrian, and if they do, the Colts are vulnerable. The question isn't the matchup, the question is will Bears offensive coordinator Ron Turner take the shots downfield? This is a good matchup for the Bears, especially when safety Bob Sanders is way up by the line of scrimmage on first downs.

4. Colts TE Dallas Clark vs. Bears LB Brian Urlacher: The Colts will play this game predominantly in one-back sets, and that will cause the Bears to check to Cover 2 most of the time. I watched a reel of all of Urlacher's blitzes, and there's a reason he finished the season without a sack: He gets blocked too much when he blitzes, so Tampa 2 coverage is what he does best. Urlacher can get vertical like no other linebacker in the NFL, and no quarterback likes to throw that skinny short post like Manning. Clark only had 30 receptions in the regular season, but in the three postseason games he has 17 for 281 yards. Urlacher can cover Clark down the middle, but if he bails too early, than the draw play is the ripple effect. The Bears could really help Urlacher by closing off the inside gaps with the defensive line, and if there is a late draw play then bounce it to the outside where Lance Briggs and Hunter Hillenmeyer are waiting. Urlacher on Clark has to go to Urlacher at this point.

5. Bears C Olin Kreutz vs. Colts DT Anthony McFarland: Kruetz is an All-Pro center for the Bears, and he can do more damage to a run defense than any other Bears player. As one defensive coordinator who played the Bears said, "If Olin gets a chance to double on the nose and slide up to the linebacker, the Colts are in for a long day stopping the run." McFarland was a late trade from the Bucs to shore up the run defense for Indianapolis. In order to apply pressure on Grossman and make him have to throw the ball, McFarland has to occupy Kreutz in every run situation. McFarland will battle Kruetz, but in the end I give this matchup to the Bears.

6. Colts DE Dwight Freeney vs. Bears T John Tait: Freeney's numbers may not be what they have been in the past as far as sacks go, but he has come alive in the postseason. Tait will struggle with Freeney when left alone in sure passing situations. The best bet may be for the Bears to play left-handed. By putting tight end Desmond Clark on the left side next to Tait, then there are all kinds of ways to slow the great pass rusher down. The ripple effect, however, is the Bears have fewer people out as receivers or it allows blitz opportunities for a guy like Bob Sanders. This matchup is in the Colts favor.

7. Colts C Jeff Saturday vs. Bears DT Tank Johnson: Saturday is underrated. He may not have the power to handle Johnson on a given play, but when Manning goes no-huddle and hurry-up no-huddle, the advantage shifts back to Saturday. I've seen the crafty center start to win physically when Manning creates an up-tempo style. Vince Wilfork of the Patriots found that out last week late in the game, and Johnson will too. I like the Colts in the second half to wear down the Bears front, especially without Tommie Harris playing.

8. Colts T Tarik Glenn vs. Bears DE Alex Brown: Glenn is often asked to block excellent pass-rushing right ends by himself, and this game will be no different. Teams like the Packers, who play the Bears regularly, tell me the best thing to do is screen pass Brown if you aren't going to give the left tackle a chip blocker to help out. Colts running back Joseph Addai has very good hands and the ripple effect of Glenn struggling with Brown will be the slip screen to Addai, probably from shotgun sets. Glenn knows Manning gets rid of the ball, and he will short set on Brown to get him blocked early, so I give this matchup to the Colts.

9. Colts DE Robert Mathis vs. Bears T Fred Miller: If it's the running game, Miller gets the edge unless the Colts overplay the run with their safety. If it's the pass game, Mathis is a fine pass rusher and Miller will struggle. If the Bears help Tait against Freeney, then the ripple effect is Mathis wins on Miller. If the Bears help Miller, then Freeney is in the backfield. I like the Colts here if they get Chicago into a passing mode. The Colts offense is the key -- if they put points on the board early, Mathis has a big game.

10. Bears TE Desmond Clark vs. Colts SS Antoine Bethea: Clark is a bit under the radar screen, but down in the red zone he is dangerous. Bethea has made a few big plays in the red zone this postseason, but with Sanders having to play the run so intensely, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Clark has a big game.

Finally, there could be another matchup that creates the story of this Super Bowl, but there's no way this game isn't in the hands of these 10 critical matchups. It's going to be on the minds of all the players mentioned all week long and the guys who can get some rest and be confident in their abilities on Sunday will tell the tale of this game.
 
The Colts will choke btw, this will not be the fault of Dungy who is a great guy, but the players.
 
I shall be supporting Dungy this Sunday.

Lets go Dungy

*clap clap clap*

Lets go Dungy

*clap clap clap*

Just found out that Prince will be doing the H/T show, fecks sake :(
 
TheRedFlag said:
I shall be supporting Dungy this Sunday.

Lets go Dungy

*clap clap clap*

Lets go Dungy

*clap clap clap*

Just found out that Prince will be doing the H/T show, fecks sake :(

I'm gonna guess 14.

You know Dungy and Smith are very good friends right?
 
rrarraroon said:
I'm gonna guess 14.

You know Dungy and Smith are very good friends right?

can you not have a conversation without having to resort to insults?

Ive got no love for either side, I guess though that I have a friend who studies at Marquette University which is kinda close to Chicago I'm told.

But I felt massivly sorry for Dungy, so I think it would be great for him to win.

It shall be a battle of the choke artists I suppose, Manning v turnoversaurus rex
 
Ah bollox. I saw the Miami mention and got all giddy. I used to follow them when my Dad and I watched it every week. I saw them live in 1990, when they beat the Buffallo Bills 37-10.

I'd have come out of NFL watching retirement if the Dolphins ever make a final.... and I hear about it.... and I'm not too busy
 
Weather forecast is rainy with some wind.

In case some of you don't follow American Football that much, most Super Bowls are played in domes these days, so this could hurt Miami's chances for future Super Bowl contention.
 
RedCanadian said:
Bad weather plays into the Bears hands as it will slow down the Colts O....

I think that's a great misconception about rain. When the grass gets slippery, the cornerbacks are the ones that suffer most. Receivers know what they are going to do at the top of their route, so they plant their feet accordingly, the corners have to react and, therefore, tend to slip more.

On the other hand, the ball is wet, so it harder to pass and catch. In the end, I think the two tend to balance each other out; more passes go astray, receivers drop more balls, but more corners wipe out on their ass as well.
 
Bears first SuperBowl since 1985, i met so many people today and all of them are supporting the Bears but the most important game tomorrow is at White Hart Lane
 
TheRedFlag said:
Ive got no love for either side, I guess though that I have a friend who studies at Marquette University which is kinda close to Chicago I'm told.

But I felt massivly sorry for Dungy, so I think it would be great for him to win.

It shall be a battle of the choke artists I suppose, Manning v turnoversaurus rex



Went to Marquette myself, and Milwaukee is about 90 miles north of Chicago.
As for the t-Rex comment- Manning has thrown 6 interceptions this post-season to Grossman's 1. I think the Bears are going to grind it out with their running game and frustrate the Colts offense.
 
redyank said:
Went to Marquette myself, and Milwaukee is about 90 miles north of Chicago.
As for the t-Rex comment- Manning has thrown 6 interceptions this post-season to Grossman's 1. I think the Bears are going to grind it out with their running game and frustrate the Colts offense.

Thats quite something, didn't expect that!