Summer transfer window

The most important issues we have to adress in the summer are: lack of quality in the midfield, lack of cover for the fullback positions and with the departure of Vidic a new centreback. And ofcourse to get rid of Moyes and bring in a new coaching staff.

These are the profiles I would like to see us sign in the summer:
-A good defensive midfielder with the technical ability to assist in the build up
-A playmaker that can play in a midfield two
-A first choice quality centreback to replace the departing Vidic
-A first choice leftback to replace Evra
-A leftback cover
-A rightback cover
-A winger that can assist in the build up play and provide an additional goal threat

The first 4 profiles are absolutley necessary the last 3 are optional but desirable

Achievable targets
-Midfield: Kroos, Gundogan, Song, Carvalho, Rakitic
-Leftback: Coentrao, Shaw, Baines, Moreno, Filipe Luis, Sandro, Martins Indi, Nagatomo, Criscito
-Rightback: Santon, Coleman, Debuchy
-Centreback: Benatia, Mangala, Subotic, Godin, Verthongen
-Winger: Griezmann, Lucas Mourra, Gaitan

A good transfer summer for me would for example constitue signing: Carvalho (£30m), Song (£15m), Coentrao (£15m), Coleman (£15m), Martins Indi (£7.5m), Benatia (£25m), Griezmann (£25m)

Players I think will leave (or would like us to sell) would be: Vidic (contract up), Ferdinand (contract up), Evra (contract up), Nani (£10m); Büttner (£3m), Valencia (£5m), Hernandez (£20m), Cleverley (£5m), Giggs (retire), Anderson (£2m), Bébé (free), Macheda (free)

Powell, Zaha, Lingard, Varela, Keane, Amos and Henriquez to be loaned out again

Team for next year:
GK: DDG, Lindegaard, Johnstone
DEF: Rafael, Coleman, Coentrao, Martins Indi, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Benatia
Midfield: Carvalho, Song, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Young
Attack: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Griezmann

Hope to see us playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 and hopefully with a manager that choses to play modern exciting positive football.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
The most important issues we have to adress in the summer are: lack of quality in the midfield, lack of cover for the fullback positions and with the departure of Vidic a new centreback. And ofcourse to get rid of Moyes and bring in a new coaching staff.

These are the profiles I would like to see us sign in the summer:
-A good defensive midfielder with the technical ability to assist in the build up
-A playmaker that can play in a midfield two
-A first choice quality centreback to replace the departing Vidic
-A first choice leftback to replace Evra
-A leftback cover
-A rightback cover
-A winger that can assist in the build up play and provide an additional goal threat

The first 4 profiles are absolutley necessary the last 3 are optional but desirable

Achievable targets
-Midfield: Kroos, Gundogan, Song, Carvalho, Rakitic
-Leftback: Coentrao, Shaw, Baines, Moreno, Filipe Luis, Sandro, Martins Indi, Nagatomo, Criscito
-Rightback: Santon, Coleman, Debuchy
-Centreback: Benatia, Mangala, Subotic, Godin, Verthongen
-Winger: Griezmann, Lucas Mourra, Gaitan

A good transfer summer for me would for example constitue signing: Carvalho (£30m), Song (£15m), Coentrao (£15m), Coleman (£15m), Martins Indi (£7.5m), Benatia (£25m), Griezmann (£25m)

Players I think will leave (or would like us to sell) would be: Vidic (contract up), Ferdinand (contract up), Evra (contract up), Nani (£10m); Büttner (£3m), Valencia (£5m), Hernandez (£20m), Cleverley (£5m), Giggs (retire), Anderson (£2m), Bébé (free), Macheda (free)

Powell, Zaha, Lingard, Varela, Keane, Amos and Henriquez to be loaned out again

Team for next year:
GK: DDG, Lindegaard, Johnstone
DEF: Rafael, Coleman, Coentrao, Martins Indi, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Benatia
Midfield: Carvalho, Song, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Young
Attack: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Griezmann

Hope to see us playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 and hopefully with a manager that choses to play modern exciting positive football.
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Surely we need to replace Hernandez if he leaves? Plus if RvP leaves we'll probably need a star signing of some kind to appease fans, which might restrict funds to less vital areas.

If Moyes is the manager in charge (as still seems extremely likely) then there's zero chance of Kagawa staying or us adopting any sort of wingerless formation.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
The most important issues we have to adress in the summer are: lack of quality in the midfield, lack of cover for the fullback positions and with the departure of Vidic a new centreback. And ofcourse to get rid of Moyes and bring in a new coaching staff.

These are the profiles I would like to see us sign in the summer:
-A good defensive midfielder with the technical ability to assist in the build up
-A playmaker that can play in a midfield two
-A first choice quality centreback to replace the departing Vidic
-A first choice leftback to replace Evra
-A leftback cover
-A rightback cover
-A winger that can assist in the build up play and provide an additional goal threat

The first 4 profiles are absolutley necessary the last 3 are optional but desirable

Achievable targets
-Midfield: Kroos, Gundogan, Song, Carvalho, Rakitic
-Leftback: Coentrao, Shaw, Baines, Moreno, Filipe Luis, Sandro, Martins Indi, Nagatomo, Criscito
-Rightback: Santon, Coleman, Debuchy
-Centreback: Benatia, Mangala, Subotic, Godin, Verthongen
-Winger: Griezmann, Lucas Mourra, Gaitan

A good transfer summer for me would for example constitue signing: Carvalho (£30m), Song (£15m), Coentrao (£15m), Coleman (£15m), Martins Indi (£7.5m), Benatia (£25m), Griezmann (£25m)

Players I think will leave (or would like us to sell) would be: Vidic (contract up), Ferdinand (contract up), Evra (contract up), Nani (£10m); Büttner (£3m), Valencia (£5m), Hernandez (£20m), Cleverley (£5m), Giggs (retire), Anderson (£2m), Bébé (free), Macheda (free)

Powell, Zaha, Lingard, Varela, Keane, Amos and Henriquez to be loaned out again

Team for next year:
GK: DDG, Lindegaard, Johnstone
DEF: Rafael, Coleman, Coentrao, Martins Indi, Smalling, Jones, Evans, Benatia
Midfield: Carvalho, Song, Fellaini, Carrick, Fletcher, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj, Young
Attack: Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Griezmann

Hope to see us playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-1-4-1 and hopefully with a manager that choses to play modern exciting positive football.
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I like your listed player's, I'd probably opt for a Herrera or Gundogan to partner the signing of Song or Carvalho though.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We still don't know how that's going to pan out though, it's a shame but I think he'd be worth the risk for anything less than £25 million. He's a class act.
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He'd come on a big wage though, and if he turns out to be Hargo mk 2...

He's a great player, but back problems are notoriously difficult to fix/overcome, and he's only young too. Unless he shows some signs of improving from a medical perspective, I think all the big European clubs will be hesitant to commit big money on him, unless the contract had strict clauses.
 
Nights said:
He'd come on a big wage though, and if he turns out to be Hargo mk 2...

He's a great player, but back problems are notoriously difficult to fix/overcome, and he's only young too. Unless he shows some signs of improving from a medical perspective, I think all the big European clubs will be hesitant to commit big money on him, unless the contract had strict clauses.
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Yaya has back issues, doesn't he? Hasn't effected him much, if at all.
 
Vidal is now on international duty with Chile and has been quoted as saying by Corriere dello Sport that stories about him moving to Spain aren't true.

"Me at Real Madrid or Barcelona? This is ridiculous. Does not exist. I want to win the championship with Juventus and then have a good World Cup."
 
I think this summer window will be quite exciting, and filled with drama considering it's a WC year.

Everton

In terms of us first and foremost we should have a few deals sorted out fairly early if the other party agrees. We will probably try and get Deulofeu on loan again, and we will most likely try and sign Barry. These would be the most obvious deals and the most likely of succeeding. I wouldn't be surprised if we cheekily tried to get Lukaku on loan again as it feels like he's really at home at the club and i'm sure that he wouldn't be against doing so. I doubt Traore will be revisited.

In: Realistically a Striker and a CB will be our main priorities. We should also sign another CM if possible as despite the return of Gibson; Osman doesn't have the legs anymore, and Barry wouldn't be able to play every other game. A young CM in the Barry mould would be lovely, a strong pacey CB to contrast with Stones calm and composed nature, and a Poacher.

Out: Gueye and Vellios should be shown the door. Possibly Naismith if a decent offer comes in for him.

Rest of Top 7

United: It's going to be fun watching how you play this as it could either go brilliantly or horribly. I think you'll sign at least 2 top class players though.
Liverpool: Going to be very interesting to see who Rodgers signs/sells. Konoplyanka seems pretty likely but where will he go from there? Could be a few top calibre players heading there too.
City: Will overpay for players they don't even need and struggle to sell those who they don't want but are on big wages. Same old.
Chelsea: Striker will be inbound for sure, will he try to get Shaw/another LB?
Arsenal: Need a Striker too, hope they have a bitchfest with Chelsea for one ending in someone being heartbroken.
Spurs: They need a 'superstar' player. They have the essence of a very good squad but they don't really have the star player that each of the other teams has (United; Rooney/RVP, Chelsea; Hazard, City; Aguero/Toure/Kompany/Silva ( :lol: ), Liverpool; Suarez, Arsenal; Ozil).
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Yaya has back issues, doesn't he? Hasn't effected him much, if at all.
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Yea, but Yaya wasn't out for an entire season.

Back problems in the medical field tend to be either really minor or really severe. The severe ones tend to respond poorly to treatment and can take significant periods of time to heal/recover from especially in cases where there's no "cure", and that's for normal people. We're talking about playing at the highest level. I'm sure Hargo would have had not many problems playing amateur football, but if we want Gundogan to be the next Roy, we'd have to really do our due diligence about his long term medical prospects.
 
Of the other top clubs I think Liverpool will be the most interesting to watch this summer. This will have been a big year for them, regardless of how it actually ends. Rodgers has made some quality signings so far and you'd imagine they'll be a very attractive club for certain players (obviously on the up, very good football, very good manager, massive history). At the same time, they'll really need to do good business to continue their progression as I still think they're a fair few players short. Depending on how the summer goes they could establish themselves as long term title contenders or slip back into the "fighting for Europe" zone.
 
I am actually starting to fear this, god only knows what could happen, the comments Moyes has made regarding Fergies squad open the door for him tearing it apart when the reality is it just needs tweaking and giving direction.
 
200 Million for David Moyes to spend, oh shit.
 
sullydnl said:
Surely we need to replace Hernandez if he leaves? Plus if RvP leaves we'll probably need a star signing of some kind to appease fans, which might restrict funds to less vital areas.

If Moyes is the manager in charge (as still seems extremely likely) then there's zero chance of Kagawa staying or us adopting any sort of wingerless formation.
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moyes didn't really play wingers at everton so seems like there's more than a 0% chance. The fact that we had young nani and valencia when he arrived at the club but he pushed adnan through and bought mata should suggest that we're moving away from wingers (although not from wing backs).

Obviously just speculation but 0% chance is absurd imo. Unless you consider Januzaj a winger I dunno
 
gasmanc said:
I am actually starting to fear this, god only knows what could happen, the comments Moyes has made regarding Fergies squad open the door for him tearing it apart when the reality is it just needs tweaking and giving direction.
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That's the thing, literally anything could happen in the summer. Which would be scary enough even if so much wasn't resting on us doing good business.

I don't mind the idea of us ripping up the squad a bit and starting again (god knows we have enough dross and players who are leaving anyway). I'm more worried the players Moyes cuts will be the wrong players. We could easily see players like RvP, Kagawa, Hernandez and Rafael leave while the likes of Young, Valencia, Nani and Cleverley stay.
 
gasmanc said:
I am actually starting to fear this, god only knows what could happen, the comments Moyes has made regarding Fergies squad open the door for him tearing it apart when the reality is it just needs tweaking and giving direction.
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Our CM is Fletcher, Carrick (33 this summer), Giggs (40), Jones (defender), Clevz (not really cutting it as a top team CM) and Felli. I don't think that CM needs tweaking, I think it needs new blood. In an ideal world Giggs and Jones wouldn't have to play much tomorrow and we had two new starters.

Otherwise I agree it needs tweaking or more strengthening. For example, when injuries hit we can't be stuck with Smalling at rb and Rio at CB next season. So already that suggests at least 2 defenders.
 
sullydnl said:
That's the thing, literally anything could happen in the summer. Which would be scary enough even if so much wasn't resting on us doing good business.

I don't mind the idea of us ripping up the squad a bit and starting again (god knows we have enough dross and players who are leaving anyway). I'm more worried the players Moyes cuts will be the wrong players. We could easily see players like RvP, Kagawa, Hernandez and Rafael leave while the likes of Young, Valencia, Nani and Cleverley stay.
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I'm warming to the idea of rafa leaving. Apparently he's missed something like 1/2 first team games since he became a regular through injury. It just puts us in a tough spot too often. We would be better off with another top right back who can play much more often. I absolutely love Rafa, think in a full season he's the best rb in the league, but half the senior games is crazy if true
 
sullydnl said:
That's the thing, literally anything could happen in the summer. Which would be scary enough even if so much wasn't resting on us doing good business.

I don't mind the idea of us ripping up the squad a bit and starting again (god knows we have enough dross and players who are leaving anyway). I'm more worried the players Moyes cuts will be the wrong players. We could easily see players like RvP, Kagawa, Hernandez and Rafael leave while the likes of Young, Valencia, Nani and Cleverley stay.
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Well judging by his team selections I think it's quite obvious whom he covets over who...................:nervous:
 
I don't think I've contributed to this thread yet, so here goes:

We're good at keeper, which wasn't always true under Fergie. No issues there whatsoever.

Fukk, I just got called into a meeting. More later.
 
gasmanc said:
Well judging by his team selections I think it's quite obvious whom he covets over who...................:nervous:
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yeah he should play chicharito over valencia on the wing? out of the four players you mentioned its basically only kagawa vs when either valencia or young plays, which is far from every game with mata and januzaj in. He plays RVP, Rafael whenever they're fit and doesn't play Hernandez when rooney and rvp are fit for obvious reasons
 
Crashoutcassius said:
moyes didn't really play wingers at everton so seems like there's more than a 0% chance. The fact that we had young nani and valencia when he arrived at the club but he pushed adnan through and bought mata should suggest that we're moving away from wingers (although not from wing backs).

Obviously just speculation but 0% chance is absurd imo. Unless you consider Januzaj a winger I dunno
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He currently has a team that's far more suited to playing a narrower formation yet still persists in playing with wingers. These wingers have become mainstays in his team despite being amongst the most ordinary players at his disposal. Beyond that, we seem to have become even more reliant on wing play for creativity, a shift in play you can only assume Moyes intended.

The Mata signing seemed to convince some people that we were moving away from a winger led system but I haven't seen any real sign of that so far. People are free to anticipate a radical change in system but I fear they'll be disappointed (as they probably have been so far since Mata was signed). The chances are more than zero but not by much imo.
 
sullydnl said:
He currently has a team that's far more suited to playing a narrower formation yet still persists in playing with wingers. These wingers have become mainstays in his team despite being amongst the most ordinary players at his disposal. Beyond that, we seem to have become even more reliant on wing play for creativity, a shift in play you can only assume Moyes intended.

The Mata signing seemed to convince some people that we were moving away from a winger led system but I haven't seen any real sign of that so far. People are free to anticipate a radical change in system but I fear they'll be disappointed (as they probably have been so far since Mata was signed). The chances are more than zero but not by much imo.
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I'm not anticipating a radical change, but yeah 0% is crazy based on Mata signing. Vs Palace we didn't play a winger, played much more narrow and fluid, and we've not had many games with Mata and with top players back fit. Fact is we have Valencia, Young and Nani at the club and all on a combined 300k £ a week I'd say, Moyes isn't going to just never play them again. He inherited a very winger oriented squad. He's already introduced 2 non wingers. He didn't really play wingers at Everton and he never played 2 wingers from what I can tell (didn't watch everton every week obviously). I think we don't really know yet where it's going but I would say it's likely to be less midfield width, but still width from wing backs
 
Crashoutcassius said:
I'm warming to the idea of rafa leaving. Apparently he's missed something like 1/2 first team games since he became a regular through injury. It just puts us in a tough spot too often. We would be better off with another top right back who can play much more often. I absolutely love Rafa, think in a full season he's the best rb in the league, but half the senior games is crazy if true
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True but we need a back up RB anyway so just swapping Rafael for another doesn't really make sense to me. I'd much prefer we sign a RB and let him fight it out with Rafael for a first team spot.
 
sullydnl said:
True but we need a back up RB anyway so just swapping Rafael for another doesn't really make sense to me. I'd much prefer we sign a RB and let him fight it out with Rafael for a first team spot.
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Who, out of interest? In an ideal world you'd be best to sell Buttner and buy a first team LB and a backup who can play RB/LB (What Fabio could have been). People on here say Coleman but if you get someone of his quality you're going to end up stunting either his or Rafaels development hugely. Both are too good to be back-up and one would eventually just want out of the club.
 
Coleman, Baines and Barkley would be a good triple signing, with Anderson, Buttner and Valencia going the other way.
 
SilentWitness said:
Who, out of interest? In an ideal world you'd be best to sell Buttner and buy a first team LB and a backup who can play RB/LB (What Fabio could have been). People on here say Coleman but if you get someone of his quality you're going to end up stunting either his or Rafaels development hugely. Both are too good to be back-up and one would eventually just want out of the club.
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This is the problem, there are very few quality RBs anyway. You're right about Coleman/Rafael but it really wouldn't be the worst thing for us to let them compete it out for a season or two and let the loser leave (a bit like Heinze/Evra). The real problem with this idea is the price Coleman would (rightly) cost, I really don't see it as realistic with that price in mind.

I actually suspect we'll just replace Rafael with someone and continue to use Smalling as cover there.
 
Right back is the subject of this post.

Rafael and Varela, with Smalling and Jones to be used in a pinch. There need not be any fecking around with the right back position this summer, but if Gollum is still at the helm anything can happen and we might put in some crazy bids in July to tee up another panic buy on the last day of the summer transfer window.

If we're prepared to galactico, then by all means let's buy the world's top available starters in 11 positions. But that would be madness.

The RB position is well stocked, full stop.
 
Right back wouldn't be a problem if we had decent wingers. Stalling and Jones could do a job if they had someone decent alongside them besides a Valencia or Young.
 
surf said:
Coleman, Baines and Barkley would be a good triple signing, with Anderson, Buttner and Valencia going the other way.
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Lets just swap squad with Everton while we're at it. Erm actually it would be nicer if we swap managers.

This players would cost us a bomb and do not represent value for money. If we've got to spend 35-40m on a CM and 15-25m for a full back then we should aim for proven quality, at the right age and who had already shined in the CL. We should pay premium just because they are British and former Moyes mates.
 
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Right back wouldn't be a problem if we had decent wingers. Stalling and Jones could do a job if they had someone decent alongside them besides a Valencia or Young.
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Except Smalling and Jones will be needed at CB. If they don't step into that position permanently with Rio and Vidic gone then they'll probably be stuck as jack of all trades squad players for the long term (especially Smalling).
 
It's pretty much a given that we'll lose some from:

Kagawa - a dead cert to go IMO, hasn't been given much of a look this season and doesn't seem to feature in Moyes' plans.

Hernandez - like above plus he's been linked with several clubs already, I very much doubt he'll be here next season.

Van Persie - would probably like to win trophies at the end of his career (that's what he has come here for) and could still be a valuable asset to a host of top clubs, doesn't seem that comfortable in current side.

Nani - hasn't featured much and has been rumoured to be on the move for a while.

Vidic and Ferdinand - one has already announced departure and I'll be surprised of Rio manages to complete another season in the top tier.

Evra - rumoured to leave last Summer, on his last legs and not as good as he used to be.

I'll be genuinely shocked if more than 2 of them are still here next season and even 2 is pushing it considerably. There'll be plenty of work to do but a lot of that is down to alienating some very good players (Kagawa, Hernandez, perhaps Nani too). We'll probably spend upwards of 60 million to replace only the ones I mentioned above adequately, not to mention actually add some quality to the team.
 
The beginning of next season is likely to be very difficult too with the expected transition of players this summer. Fair enough we will have some contracts up/retirements that will leave once the season is over. However, uncertainty around the likes of Kagawa, Hernandez, Nani, Young, Valencia, Cleverley etc is a problem. If signing players will be difficult for us because of a World Cup, I imagine that will also apply to clubs hoping to buy them. Realisitcally, if we plan to ship them, it will be difficult to do so early on. Chances are we will carry a fair few into August and pre-season, with practically a new player coming and another leaving almost daily even once the season has started.

I cannot imagine us going on tour with anything like the squad that we plan to take into September. We are unlikely to have concluded too many ins and outs early on. Feasibly, much of the squad that goes on tour may not be in Moyes' plans, and those that are will not play for us at that point. Our next season excuse may well be a 'lack of pre-season' for the squad.
 
Gannicus said:
Right back is the subject of this post.

Rafael and Varela, with Smalling and Jones to be used in a pinch. There need not be any fecking around with the right back position this summer, but if Gollum is still at the helm anything can happen and we might put in some crazy bids in July to tee up another panic buy on the last day of the summer transfer window.

If we're prepared to galactico, then by all means let's buy the world's top available starters in 11 positions. But that would be madness.

The RB position is well stocked, full stop.
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Coleman just can't be ignored in my opinion. He's having a fantastic season and I wouldn't say no to signing him. Varela looks promising but isn't quite ready yet in my opinion. He's not exactly young but he's not really had good experience at a high level.

If there's one thing I do trust Moyes in, it is his judgement of defenders. He's pretty damn good in that aspect.
 
Coleman can be ignored because of his price tag and that fact that we have Rafael. Most sane managers would view things similarly. They would keep Rafael and either promote Varela, or buy some cover of the required quality. Of course, I do question Dave's sanity, so I doubt he'd do something so simple.
 
Kag said:
Coleman can be ignored because of his price tag and that fact that we have Rafael. Most sane managers would view things similarly. They would keep Rafael and either promote Varela, or buy some cover of the required quality. Of course, I do question Dave's sanity, so I doubt he'd do something so simple.
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What's his price tag?

I don't think most sane managers would promote Varela at all. With Rafaels injury record I think you'd want more experience to come in. As I said, Varela has little top level experience. He needs time to get that without too much pressure. I mean, if he was our back up right back right now then he could be facing Liverpool and Man City in the coming weeks. Is it really fair or good for him to throw him into those games?
 
Bestie07 said:
I know that so many players gets labelled the next Messi/Ronaldo but I am actually pretty excited about this guy.
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Me too, the only thing i'd be worried about him is that he's tiny. Look at how much Kagawa has struggled for you in that aspect when played out wide when he isn't given the central space he works best in. Gauld will probably be a CAM, but you have a few people already in that position so you might try him out wide where he'd be shut out of the game in the PL.

I'd love us to sign him and send him back on loan to United, then bring him back the season after where we can play him as a CAM and Barkley/McCarthy in CM. Scottish/Irish/English midfield. :drool:
 
SilentWitness said:
Me too, the only thing i'd be worried about him is that he's tiny. Look at how much Kagawa has struggled for you in that aspect when played out wide when he isn't given the central space he works best in. Gauld will probably be a CAM, but you have a few people already in that position so you might try him out wide where he'd be shut out of the game in the PL.

I'd love us to sign him and send him back on loan to United, then bring him back the season after where we can play him as a CAM and Barkley/McCarthy in CM. Scottish/Irish/English midfield. :drool:
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I'm guessing you mean Dundee United right? :mad:
 
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