Summer Transfer Tweets 2016
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Whats the difference. In simple terms, whatever Juve want, Raiola gets 20% of it. If Juve wanted to sell us Pogba for 10m, he would get 2m from it.
The way I see it is, Juve are saying "We want 100m euros, but because 20% of it is owed to Raiola, we need you guys to pay us 125m so we can get our 100m and give Raiola his 20% (25m)"
Last bid we have heard from Di Mazio is us paying Juve 110m euros, Raiola takes 22m from that and then Juve keep 88m. But we also added 10m in bonuses so Juve could end up with 98m euros in total. That seems like a pretty fair fecking deal to me and I cant believe Juve don't want to take it!
The overreactions on Twitter are priceless. Chelsea fans thought they were signing Mahrez!
Whats this about Chavs and Mahrez
And the thing is Raiola can negotiate with Juve to settle that 20% for less than the actual 20%
If Juve get €120m, it is possible Raiola takes just €15m and says it is ok for him. It is better than losing out on the transfer because of it and getting nothing at all.
The best way to describe is Juve owes something to Raiola if a transfer happens, how the transfer will happen and what Juve will owe him is all up for discussion between them.
It makes a massive difference because Raiola would have to sell his share to us so we wouldn't have this hassle of who pays his fee, plus in the PL I'm not sure it's allowed to have 3rd party owners so if he was a 20% share holder then he hasn't got the option to keep hold of his share and is forced to sell, so if Madrid came in (not sure of Spanish rules) he could have the option of keeping his share. So it does make a difference.
I mean in terms of this deal it doesnt make much difference. There is no set price for Pogba for us to 'buy out' Railoas share. We have to dance to Juventus tune until they and Railoa sort it out.
Seems like we dont want to go above this 110+10 offer. So Juve and Raiola are deciding how much they each take from that before concluding the deal. Im guessing we will up it a little to 115 so Raiola can take 15 and Juve keep 100 if it comes to it.
I bet the next time Railoa does one of these sell on % deals he will include a minimum amount to avoid this issue happening again.
3rd party ownerships aren't allowed in Italy either.
No idea, but when the initial troll tweet went up, the majority of responses were things like "announce Mahrez"
No idea, but when the initial troll tweet went up, the majority of responses were things like "announce Mahrez"
Pff that happens with our twitter ALL the time
Yeah. Banter aside, that was a really nice thing for Chelsea to do.
I'm sure he will, but i doubt he'd have thought Pogba would sell for €120m when they signed this contract. Hence he is best protected for potential high transfer fees with a %.
Getting tired of this whole situation now, almost so much i'm not bothered if he comes or not. It's freakin' €120m ffs...
Same here, probably the most boring United summer saga I can remember, and there have been plenty. Sick of these 2 month long mini-drama's every summer.
GdS is reliable?
yes
And "number of hours" doesn't always mean literally a few hours on the continent, does it?
Just means in the last stages or near completion.
Surprised at that, he was poor for Villa whenever I saw them last season, sloppy in possession especially. I thought with the new owner and manager Everton might be making a few statements in the window this summer, but they're leaving it late if they're going to do so.
"a number of hours" 2019 is a number of hours away
Torres signs!
Because Pogba's contract with Juve has a clause which sees him entitled to 20% of any future transfer fee. Raiola does not own any player rights on Pogba. It's not allowed in Italy in any event. The clause is actually a very standard clause which is inserted where players sign for clubs (usually on a free like Pogba) and where the initial signing on bonus is low. The clause then covers the player and the agent to recoup their 'signing on bonus' when a future transfer happens. This 'clause' is even on the Football Manager game where it can be added to a player's contract. The only reason it has been an issue here is because the actual transfer fee is huge (€120m) which means the %20 is huge (€24m). If Juve had to pay it then they'd be left with €96m only. They don't want that and are asking United to ensure they get their full €120m.
All comes down to the same thing, not ?
Not really. If he owned 20% of the players rights then we would need to negotiate directly with him for his 20% share and establish a value of that 20%. Whilst when it is 20% of the transfer fee it is up to the price we agree with Juve. Though I will add that Raiola could cut his % owed through agreement with Juve if done on good faith
Is it just me who thinks the transfer window has been poor thus far? hasn't really got going.. think we are looking for less spent this summer then previous summers, strangely enough.
The irony is that it has risen nearly every summer the totalizer spent by clubs.. so you think with the TV money it would atleast rise massively again.
I suppose if things stop dicking around with Pogba and hurry up and get him signed that will help.
The irony is that it has risen nearly every summer the totalizer spent by clubs.. so you think with the TV money it would atleast rise massively again.
I suppose if things stop dicking around with Pogba and hurry up and get him signed that will help.
I think their will be some kind of a domino effect: Juve signed Higuain, Pogba might sign for us/Madrid, Juve will line up 1-2 midfield additions (Gabigol, Matuidi/Witsel), Napoli needs to replace Higuain etc.
Additionally many players were at the Euros and are just set to return or have recently returned from holidays. I think the tranfer marked will speed up in the next days/weeks.
The TV money also has the opposite effect where clubs that would traditionally sell their best players due to attractive offers are now able to play hardball and hold on to those players since they've more £ in their pockets. But yes, it's been a sluggish window overall so far.
I like the implication that football players are too thick to think about more than one offer at once.
Agents...
Jamie Jackson is one pointless mofo.
If the rumours are true, that we have bid 100m euro and 15m euro agent fees, then we havent broken any world records in terms of fees for a player transaction, this would then entice Madrid as Bale as an attacking player would still be more expensive which is worrying.
The only saving grace in all of this is if Raiola freaks out about his fee again because not a chance Madrid will accept to pay the agent fee to him as Perez is reportedly not a fan at all.
Unfortunately I see this dragging out for another week now. If the Madrid interest is real he will go there and there will need to be another week of negotiating.
The only saving grace in all of this is if Raiola freaks out about his fee again because not a chance Madrid will accept to pay the agent fee to him as Perez is reportedly not a fan at all.
Unfortunately I see this dragging out for another week now. If the Madrid interest is real he will go there and there will need to be another week of negotiating.
Perez would drink raw sewage if it enhanced the Real Madrid brand -- don't expect morality from him, you'll be disappointed.
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