Summer Transfer Tweets 2016
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Idolo? Escobar man. Escobar.Idolo.
Presumably all be sent out on loan shortly.
The overreactions on Twitter are priceless. Chelsea fans thought they were signing Mahrez!
Could've been worse, like that Leeds one a couple of years ago.
Imagine if we'd done that.
The overreactions on Twitter are priceless. Chelsea fans thought they were signing Mahrez!
"announce sacking of Chelsea admin"
Again legally IF it is written in Pogba's contract that Juve pay then they ain't got a leg to stand on, we don't need to negotiate with anyone, we can pay it to Raiola and then Raiola can still legally claim it from Juve also. If it's the case Juve are trying to adjust the contract turn it ain't worth the paper it's written on!
Juve can't be forced to sell, and if they won't sell unless that clause is circumvented, they're well within their rights to take that stance.
Has anyone posted about Milik to Napoli?
UTD can't force them to sell no, but that's not the question here, the question is about contract law which if Juve are going to do business with UTD then the contract has to be stand.
Little Escobar there was signed because his little brother Idolor wouldn't leave without him.
Bouhafsi- still no agreement for Pogba transfer. Negotiations continue
No, the contract doesn't have to stand. Juve are free to negotiate their way around the contract.
No, it's not about the agent. Not at all. The agent clearly has his grubby little hands in many pies. We are not in a position to change that, he clearly has the trust of the player and his family.
My point is this, if juve are using the stance, 'we won't sell unless you cover this fee', then we can use the same stance, presumably in a few years when a move to RM or Barcelona is engineered. The aim is to get the player.
I presume the negotiations ongoing are around reducing the % United pay this time around with the potential compromise, increasing the % he would earn from future transfers.
To be clear, I do want Pogba at the club. I think his dynamism and power will transform our midfield. I also believe he is a mercenary and I do believe any transfer to United would not be his last move unfortunately.
Well Dong that's a very dangerous road to take. Consequence analyse before taking hard stance is the way to go.
1. Juventus refuse to sell for less the €145m including agent fee
2. Raiola/Pogba put in a transfer request where they point to an offer of €120m and ask Juve to accept
3. Juve refuse to sell unless the agent fee is paid by the buyer
4. Pogba go on strike saying I want to change club due personal reasons
5. Juve refuse a third time
6. Pogba insist to buy himself out of the contract.
7. Juve stil refuse to budge
8. Raiola threaten Juve with EU law about free movement
Game over! No club wants to walk that road. To dangerous and the end it can cost Juventus more then the fee they owe the agent. Trust me. Juve will bend over before this is finished.
That's what I don't get either about the agents fee cut...if he has a written agreement with Juventus then that's stands whether we pay it or don't.
That's what makes me think something else is up with the deal whether it's Pogba or something we are asking for that's causing the problem ..perhaps image rights contract length or clause etc
No you don't get it
Yes they have to pay Raiola his 20% in case a transfer happens but only Juve can make a transfer happen by signing off on it. The transfer will only happen if all parties signed the paperwork which will be for the rights to register the player and for his image rights to go for 100% to United, Juve will need to give up their rights, Raiola will need to give up his, Pogba will need to agree to it all and United will need to sign off on compensation. If Raiola signs the transfer he won't be able to go to court anymore to demand €20m for his cut to Juve because he has given those rights away by signing off on the transfer which means he will need to get his compensation before he signs, so does Juve, so does Pogba and United will have to pay that in some sort of way. The transfer can and will only happen if United have legal ownership of the registration rights and the image rights for Pogba, nobody is going to give it to us unless they get compensated.
Juve own like 80% and they are saying for that 80% we want €120m, if we need to pay off the other 20% owned by Raiola then it will be €145m.
The only options are:
-Pay €145m
-Get Juve to lower their demands
-Get Railoa to lower his demands
-Only procur Juves part and let Railoa keep owning 20% of the rights, but I think that is not allowed in the EPL
I can assure that Pogba won't go on strike.
Anyway, I think this deal will be announced before the weekend pending medical off-course.
Juve can simply say we simply want 140 Million Euros and we'll pay Riola. He's under contract so they can dictate terms. Anyway, I'm very confident the deal is secured. Just waiting for Pogba to return from his holiday, and some legalities to sort.
Well it's not that easy. If it was that simple don't you think other clubs would have done the same.
According to EU laws a employee can work wherever he wants inside EU. Even if the football industry is different they are still part of the EU community.
If this goes to the court then Juve is din deep problems. I don't think Pogba will do this but I'm sure Raiola knows how to create a shit storm.
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It's that easy and clubs consistently do just that.
I don't understand where you're coming from.
Right so Raiola is going to force out Pogba on a Bosman:
1 There is no huge transfer fee of which Raiola is owed a 20% cut so he would be left empty handed. Alltough he might be compensated for it by United if he can realise the transfer but I'am quite sure that will not be legal and Juve could go to court over that saying, it is misuse of the law by us and Raiola, and I think they would probably win that, Raiola will need to give up the cut and both parties would be fined on top of that.
2 Raiola would likley never be used again by many teams and consequently also lose popularity as a player agent because playing it dirty like that is seriously frowned upon.
I'am quite certain Raiola will not want to escalate things like that. He knows he is benefited by a transfer, he knows Pogba benefits from a transfer, so he will try to negotiate a deal with Juve whereby they can find a compromise where Juve gets a little less than what they currently demand, Raiola gets a little less than his 20% and United pays a bit more than what is currently already on the table. I'am sure Juve will want a deal to happen aswell as it seems they have just spend most that cash already on Higuain.
Kudos, Chelsea twitter...manager?
Bouhafsi is extremly reliable when it concerns to transfer of the ligue 1 or french players. If he declares a transfer I've always seen it happen days after. I'am inclined to believe every word he says about Pogba transfer.
If I read his twitter correctly it seems like the transfer is in the final stages and he believes it will happen very soon.
I agree with you that this is likely a done deal but with regards to contracts Juve can get themselves in trouble with EU laws so can't adjust a contract to suit there needs.
Non issue for us. This is strictly between Juve and Raiola; neither side wants to lose face.
FEEEEEECK HURRY UP
I wasn't aware that Raiola owned 20% of Pogba I thought it was a 20% cut of transfer fee, if this is the case then Raiola is free to negotiate his own payment for his share in Pogba!
Wenger nearly signed all three of them.
We either pay up or we move on. We're just wasting time trying to negotiate with Juve.
You seem to be confusing unilateral changing of the contract, which no one's arguing, with parties to a contract freedom to negotiate and re-negotiate.
Firstly, i am not a fan of Juventus, but there is talk of them breaking a legally binding contract. Surely they can basically ask us to pay whatever they want as we are the buying club. If they want 100m (Euros, Pounds, Dollars, Footballs, Mars Bars...) and Raiola gets a % of whatever we pay, it is entirely up to Juve to make us pay whatever they want.
It's not like Pogba is a commodity with a defined value set by a 3rd party or indeed a contractually binding fee. So if they say they want 100m and we say "cool, here you go" and they then say "oh wait, we have to give mino 20m of that, make it 120m" they can do so if they wish. If they want to fleece us, they will try to fleece us. Nothing illegal about it.
If the shoe was on the other foot and Madrid were sniffing around De Gea plenty people on here would be applauding Woodward.
It's not like Pogba is a commodity with a defined value set by a 3rd party or indeed a contractually binding fee. So if they say they want 100m and we say "cool, here you go" and they then say "oh wait, we have to give mino 20m of that, make it 120m" they can do so if they wish. If they want to fleece us, they will try to fleece us. Nothing illegal about it.
If the shoe was on the other foot and Madrid were sniffing around De Gea plenty people on here would be applauding Woodward.
Muppet down in aisle 3. Muppet down in aisle 3.
Have a feeling something big is going to be announced tonight by United. Been a quiet few days.
Probably a deal with TAG Heuer pants.
we are already willing to pay 20m POUNDS over the previous world transfer record. They want us to pay 35m pounds over the previous record. how is that legit transfer business? No one else is in there bidding to raise the price.
We should stand by our original offer. It's a fair offer. Pogba and Riaola need to the do the rest if Pogba wants to come here. We've done our part. They have to do theirs.
The fact is neither Pogba nor Juve want to appear the bad guy in this to their fans. Well, when there is 100m pounds involved, you need to stop worrying about fan backlash.
I'm sick of this business. He's not good enough for the price being bandied about and if we don't sign him, I'll actually be happy at this point. He's not instantly going to add 20 goals to the squad.
How can he be owned 20% of the transfer fee unless he owns 20% of the player rights ? Anyway it doesn't matter it all boils down to the same thing, he is owned 20% in case of a transfer but that can be renegotiated between him and Juve, which is exactly what is going on right now I think.
There is just a fee we United want to pay for Pogba all rights included. Juve and Raiola now negotiating how they will split up that fee to cover up both ends, as Juve be wanting €120m, it seems the fee don't cover both ends. So Raiola trying to get Juve to accept a deal for less than €120m on their part, he will probably also back down a little on his part and maybay we United will have to increase our offer by a bit more but not to the full €145m which seems to be required right now.
Maybay we'll get some where we pay total of €130m, Juve takes €115m and Raiola takes €15m.
Agree with this. We are already offering everyone involved way over the odds. If they want to continue to be greedy then pull the plug. As much as i want to sign him for the sake of the team, i wouldnt be arsed if we pulled out now.
If anyone wants to know an inside scope i heard today that will be everywhere tomorrow i can personally and exclusively say from my sources that Man Utd are in the final stages of agreement. The only thing left is to agree payment with Juventus with regards to Riaola.
There ya go, no need to repeat tweet that tomorrow.
That's my exclusive
There ya go, no need to repeat tweet that tomorrow.
That's my exclusive
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