Television Succession

I feel Tom is way too scared of dying to actually want to top himself. His whole raison d'etre is to buy expensive watches and bollocks like that, which he can't do if he's dead obviously.

I feel that he may have finally come to terms with the fact that Shiv thinks nothing of him and he actually doesn't want to be with her at all anymore. So could have Tom going full "Shiv is fecking KenRo over". Gregg has already aligned himself with the CEBros, so the disgusting brothers could be fully back on the menu.

Shiv might be try and just take on Pearce somehow? Dunno where that one is going.

Buzzing for the final four eps. Set up beautifully.
 
I can't tell if I've started disliking Greg because of how much he's become one of them or because of the allegations against the actor, however tenuous they were.
 
Solius said:
I can't tell if I've started disliking Greg because of how much he's become one of them or because of the allegations against the actor, however tenuous they were.
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This has definitely had an impact on how I view him, won’t lie.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I thought he was going to go for it in this episode.
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I said the same last night.

It was brilliantly subtle writing/direction to send the emotional Ebba up onto the roof first in an emotional state - half of me wondered if she was going to be seen screaming past the window behind Matsson.

Then Tom and Shiv go up there and have that brutal argument and I’m anxious throughout the entire that Tom is going to just walk off the edge
 
FriedClams said:
they have foreshadowed Kendall dying since the show began, with most likely outcome suicide.
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I was thinking that too. My "guess at a timeline" is they've brought his daughter and wife back into it now, with his daughter not wanting to go to school because she was upset by some guy wearing a Ravenhead t-shirt.

So, some ATN-radicalised incel type goes on a school/public shooting spree with Kendall's daughter being a victim. Kendall's daughter is dead, he feels guilty and tops himself.

Or he kills ATN's head goon, Tom.
 
do.ob said:
I'd even say Tom would seem like a decent person, if we were to just look at him through the lens of his interactions with Shiv, wouldn't he? They really have to double down on his work related cuntishness to balance out his character.
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Yeah, the mock crying when Greg was sacking everyone over webcam was exceptionally cnutish.
 
Shane88 said:
I was thinking that too. My "guess at a timeline" is they've brought his daughter and wife back into it now, with his daughter not wanting to go to school because she was upset by some guy wearing a Ravenhead t-shirt.

So, some ATN-radicalised incel type goes on a school/public shooting spree with Kendall's daughter being a victim. Kendall's daughter is dead, he feels guilty and tops himself.

Or he kills ATN's head goon, Tom.
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You think Succession is going to have Kendall's daughter get killed in a school shooting?

That's insane.
 
nimic said:
Honestly not sure that's actually true.
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Massive Spanner said:
Kendell has always been portrayed as by far the most competent of the siblings at the job, and Logan knew it too. His failings were his addictions, not his ability to be CEO.
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I feel like I'm watching a different show.

Where his competency compares to the other siblings is one thing, but the show goes out of its way to consistently show what an idiot he is, and how terribly suited he would be to the main job. His performance at the investor day was supposed to draw parallels to characters like Elizabeth Holmes (i.e. a CEO making fraudulent claims), while he consistently uses nonsense buzzwords to highlight that there's no substance to his visions for the business. Rewatch the scene where they talk about their plans for The Hundred and you'll see it clearly - we're supposed to laugh at him, not think 'Kendall has some acumen here'.
 
wr8_utd said:
Jesse Armstrong had mentioned that next week's episode (Episode 8)is the most shocking of the season. Unless Ken's past is dragged up, I'm not quite sure what it could be?
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Tom decides to push the stolen election narrative with ATN, leading to large scale violence, at one of these riots something happens and Shiv gets hurt causing her to miscarry
 
ThierryHenry said:
I feel like I'm watching a different show.

Where his competency compares to the other siblings is one thing, but the show goes out of its way to consistently show what an idiot he is, and how terribly suited he would be to the main job. His performance at the investor day was supposed to draw parallels to characters like Elizabeth Holmes (i.e. a CEO making fraudulent claims), while he consistently uses nonsense buzzwords to highlight that there's no substance to his visions for the business. Rewatch the scene where they talk about their plans for The Hundred and you'll see it clearly - we're supposed to laugh at him, not think 'Kendall has some acumen here'.
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This show is the story of Kendall Roy's "Succession". It's been apparent since the first episode. They have built it up as him having to undergo all those trials and highs and lows to finally get what he wants, but then realize it won't give him the closure he wants. I think it's going to be a Godfather like ending where he will alienate everyone and become the next Logan, totally alone at the top.
 
ThierryHenry said:
I feel like I'm watching a different show.

Where his competency compares to the other siblings is one thing, but the show goes out of its way to consistently show what an idiot he is, and how terribly suited he would be to the main job. His performance at the investor day was supposed to draw parallels to characters like Elizabeth Holmes (i.e. a CEO making fraudulent claims), while he consistently uses nonsense buzzwords to highlight that there's no substance to his visions for the business. Rewatch the scene where they talk about their plans for The Hundred and you'll see it clearly - we're supposed to laugh at him, not think 'Kendall has some acumen here'.
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The show is very faithful to portraying all the Roy kids as entitled idiots but if you're comparing, there's no doubt that Kendall has shown more business acumen and strategic nous than his siblings, in fact more so I'd say than even Logan, who was living on reputation and past glory. I struggle to recall a sound business decision made by Logan during the run of the show, whereas Kendall has had several, particularly during his CEO stint in season one.
 
Jev said:
The show is very faithful to portraying all the Roy kids as entitled idiots but if you're comparing, there's no doubt that Kendall has shown more business acumen and strategic nous than his siblings, in fact more so I'd say than even Logan, who was living on reputation and past glory. I struggle to recall a sound business decision made by Logan during the run of the show, whereas Kendall has had several, particularly during his CEO stint in season one.
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This is my view too. He clearly gets some respect from Logan's old crew, unlike the other two kids. At least they kept signing on to his coups.
 
ThierryHenry said:
I feel like I'm watching a different show.

Where his competency compares to the other siblings is one thing, but the show goes out of its way to consistently show what an idiot he is, and how terribly suited he would be to the main job. His performance at the investor day was supposed to draw parallels to characters like Elizabeth Holmes (i.e. a CEO making fraudulent claims), while he consistently uses nonsense buzzwords to highlight that there's no substance to his visions for the business. Rewatch the scene where they talk about their plans for The Hundred and you'll see it clearly - we're supposed to laugh at him, not think 'Kendall has some acumen here'.
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Agree. The siblings all have their individual strengths, but also definitely their serious faults. Neither of them are CEO-material, and Logan understood this. If you somehow took the best parts from each of them and merged them, it could make a pretty good CEO.
 
In regards to Greg, I have been thinking this for a while, but I think the show has simply outgrown him. His mannerisms have become exaggerated, and it seems like he's being shoehorned in as opposed to it being natural. He's now just basically comic relief, in a show that obviously doesn't need any comic relief. I just find him irritating now, to be honest.
 
BusbyMalone said:
In regards to Greg, I have been thinking this for a while, but I think the show has simply outgrown him. His mannerisms have become exaggerated, and it seems like he's being shoehorned in as opposed to it being natural. He's now just basically comic relief, in a show that obviously doesn't need any comic relief. I just find him irritating now, to be honest.
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Greg was always comic relief, that's pretty much the entire point of his character as I see it. This season he's at least been playing a secondary role, that of evidence of nepotism for Matsson and the bunch.

I disagree that the show doesn't need comic relief, it's been the defining feature of the Tom-Greg relationship since the beginning.
 
nimic said:
Greg was always comic relief, that's pretty much the entire point of his character as I see it. This season he's at least been playing a secondary role, that of evidence of nepotism for Matsson and the bunch.

I disagree that the show doesn't need comic relief, it's been the defining feature of the Tom-Greg relationship since the beginning.
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When I say it doesn't need comic relief, I mean the whole show is basically a screwball comedy (that's not ALL it is, of course). Greg adds nothing to it for me. I liked Greg at the beginning, but not now. He doesn't add much to the show, and I just find him irritating.

He is absolutely the least interesting part of the show, IMO.
 
Kazi said:
Seasons 3 & 4 not up to par with the first two season IMO
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I entirely disagree. For me every Succession season is better than its predecessor. So far, 3>2>1. 4 can end up being better than 3 if it sticks the landing. 3's finale was magnificent.
 
I think Roman is in big trouble next episode. Two episodes ago was focused on Kendall, Shiv this episode. Roman is doing his Dad’s speech and absolutely losing it next episode.
 
In the final episode Roman and Shiv will fight to the death against a mechanised Logan, raised from the dead by the recently incarcerated-for-shooting-Tom Kendall. There will also be a miscarriage for added shock value.

Or maybe one of the kids will just screw everyone else over and take all of the money for themselves.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
In the final episode Roman and Shiv will fight to the death against a mechanised Logan, raised from the dead by the recently incarcerated-for-shooting-Tom Kendall. There will also be a miscarriage for added shock value.

Or maybe one of the kids will just screw everyone else over and take all of the money for themselves.
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Its not fair some of you have easy access to the good scotch.
 
King7Eric said:
This show is the story of Kendall Roy's "Succession". It's been apparent since the first episode. They have built it up as him having to undergo all those trials and highs and lows to finally get what he wants, but then realize it won't give him the closure he wants. I think it's going to be a Godfather like ending where he will alienate everyone and become the next Logan, totally alone at the top.
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Yeah, but that comparison only works if Michael was a fecking moron and an incompetent boss.

Again, I feel like I’m watching a different show to some of you. :lol:
 
crappycraperson said:
I entirely disagree. For me every Succession season is better than its predecessor. So far, 3>2>1. 4 can end up being better than 3 if it sticks the landing. 3's finale was magnificent.
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Nothing beats the tension of Boar on the floor. That to me was the high point of succession.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Yeah, but that comparison only works if Michael was a fecking moron and an incompetent boss.

Again, I feel like I’m watching a different show to some of you. :lol:
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I don't think he's shown to be moron or incompetent. All his moronic moments come when he's trying to impress others and due to his addictions. When he's grounded and sober he's easily the most competent of the siblings ( and better than Mattson whom he totally played in front of the crowd last episode). Episodes like his birthday last season show when he's trying to be something he's not, he loses it terribly. His biggest fault is trying to prove to others he's capable by acting like his dad, rather than letting his work do it for him.

That's the point of Logan's will with Kendall's name underlined/scratched off. Logan knew Kendall had the competency, but could be reign himself in to actually show that at all times? Could he become the "killer"? Logan put it eloquently when they met Adrien Brody's character last season.

That's always been the main theme of the show. There's going to be no big twist or master reveal at the end. It's simply about whether Kendall can become that killer and what will it cost him? This show is the tragedy of Kendall Roy.
 
The Firestarter said:
Or the low point since you know, it's a floor. Anyway, I think the high point was last season finale.
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Just finished a rewatch and this would be my pick too. Season three is by far the weakest season but the finale is spectacular.
 
I do think S3 went in circles a little bit story-wise but it ended very well. I think the pandemic affected them a lot, but they did quite well not to make the impact worse.
 
Solius said:
I do think S3 went in circles a little bit story-wise but it ended very well. I think the pandemic affected them a lot, but they did quite well not to make the impact worse.
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Yeah, the last three or four episodes are very good but the first half of the season is frankly a mess. Apart from COVID limiting them locations-wise, they also badly failed to capitalise on the momentum from the season two finale. The season premiere, for instance, is just all over the place.
 
ThierryHenry said:
I feel like I'm watching a different show.

Where his competency compares to the other siblings is one thing, but the show goes out of its way to consistently show what an idiot he is, and how terribly suited he would be to the main job. His performance at the investor day was supposed to draw parallels to characters like Elizabeth Holmes (i.e. a CEO making fraudulent claims), while he consistently uses nonsense buzzwords to highlight that there's no substance to his visions for the business. Rewatch the scene where they talk about their plans for The Hundred and you'll see it clearly - we're supposed to laugh at him, not think 'Kendall has some acumen here'.
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I agree with you. Kendall might be somewhat better than his siblings, but they're all entirely unbelievable as top executives. But then again, they all are - Kerri, Karl, Frank, even Logan, none of them seem credible as top execs. Though it's not the point of the show - it's all done straight face in terms of production, the music is intense, but it's entirely offset by them being imbeciles and it's more akin to a sitcom than a drama.
FriedClams said:
the acting in season 4 is in a different universe to almost every season of any show, ever.
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I mean, the acting is good, but you should watch some other shows, like Mad Men, The Wire...
 
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