Suarez

[Shane88]

How is Suarez worth 40 mill and Rooney around 28mill?

Contract situation has a lot to do with it, I'd say. Rooney has two years left on his, Suarez signed a long-term extension on his last season.

 

[Grinner]

...and because Suarez is better than Rooney.
Fishy fishy...

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I like that word, and I agree, you have no problem financially, but IMO you're one step away from having the pull for world class player

But do you really imagine Suarez will keep his head checked this time, he's still on a 6 match ban if he stays btw.

I don't think he will, essentially he is being rewarded by getting a transfer to a better club (a better positioned for those Liverpool supporters who may take offence to that).

If he was hung out to dry then I think he may learn his lesson, but that's not a financially viable decision for Liverpool to make.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

...and because Suarez is better than Rooney.
Fishy fishy...

I kind of agree.

Suarez has been improving his game, meanwhile it seems as if Rooney's is regressing.

 

[Grinner]

I kind of agree.

Suarez has been improving his game, meanwhile it seems as if Rooney's is regressing.

Naahh...Rooney's better....when he's fully fit and arsed.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

I agree, but he's not either of those things ATM, and hasn't been for a while now.

 

[B20]

 

[alastair]

This is happening. At £40m they'll accept the bid, and we'll be done.

 

[Archie Leach]

I bet this is how Christian Bale felt when he found out Gloria Steinem was going to be his stepmum.

 

[B20]

This is happening. At £40m they'll accept the bid, and we'll be done.

There is the small matter of Suarez wanting to leave England....

Can't see him joining you even if you activate the rumoured clause, although nothing would surprise me.

 

[alastair]

There is the small matter of Suarez wanting to leave England....

Can't see him joining you even if you activate the rumoured clause, although nothing would surprise me.

His advisors have said he's not actually too bothered. This whole 'media are against me' stuff was clearly an excuse to leave for a CL club, which we currently are.

 

[B20]

Meh. I fully expect him to wear the white of Real Madrid next season.

 

[alastair]

Meh. I fully expect him to wear the white of Real Madrid next season.

I agree it's the more likely scenario, but if we get our act together, we'll get a huge signing. Suarez might be it.

 

[7even]

He's actually a really genuine good actor, can't take that away from him.

 

[MrMarcello]

He's been perfecting the art of acting on the pitch for years, no surprise he does well in a commercial.

 

[Archie Leach]

Who needs Suarez, Giroud has a half time hattrick against Vietnam.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Contract situation has a lot to do with it, I'd say. Rooney has two years left on his, Suarez signed a long-term extension on his last season.

Torres signed for Chelsea with 2.5 years left for £50m.

 

[Grinner]

Who needs Suarez, Giroud has a half time hattrick against Vietnam.

Don't be Hanoiing

 

[Kraftwerker]

Secretly still hoping for a Ronaldo type fee. But the release/listening clause may be problematic. If teams are worried by his ban and/or salary then even better. They can politely all go f$ck themselves. Ending up with an 'unhappy' Suarez for one more season is fine by Fsg and Rodgers. And the fans.

What do you know about FSG's motives?

Obviously the fans don't want Suarez to leave as you shredded your last bit of dignity by defending his indefensibles, and he's your only world class player. I'm sure his loss would be pretty devastating in football terms and for the fans' collective psyche.

But in pure money terms and the hierarchical nature of football, mid-table clubs rarely hold many cards when CL clubs come looking for their players. FSG will sell him in a New York minute as their entire strategy revolves around selling star players when they have to and replacing with unknown quantities.

 

[Grinner]

Is Suarez really world-class? I don't think he is, but he could be at a team like RM.

 

[sammsky1]

All these stories in this transfer window regarding Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern, Chelsea, Madrid, Manchester City, PSG, a hint of Arsenal and even Spurs .... I forgot Liverpool even existed these past 2 weeks.

Liverpool really are in danger of dropping totally out of sight, especially if the sell Suarez. Why would any classy player want to join them?

 

[sammsky1]

Is Suarez really world-class? I don't think he is, but he could be at a team like RM.

yeah, surrounded by quality players, I reckon he'd be top drawer: still a crazy loon, but a very high quality footballer crazy loon.

 

[Sixpence]

Everyone knows he wants to leave so everyone will wait until the end of the window when Liverpool need to get rid.

 

[johnny boy]

All these stories in this transfer window regarding Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern, Chelsea, Madrid, Manchester City, PSG, a hint of Arsenal and even Spurs .... I forgot Liverpool even existed these past 2 weeks.

Liverpool really are in danger of dropping totally out of sight, especially if the sell Suarez. Why would any classy player want to join them?

Depends on what you mean, the club have signed four players and sold a couple. True not marquee signings as we might struggle to attract those. However, United have 1 world class player and all the transfer talk about potential signings so far and none have arrived yet have they? Thiago didn't come for example. So sometimes all the talk comes to nothing.

I think Coutinho is a very good player, and he came. Who knows Aspas and Luis Alberto may turn out to be really good signings too.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Depends on what you mean, the club have signed four players and sold a couple. True not marquee signings as we might struggle to attract those. However, United have 1 world class player and all the transfer talk about potential signings so far and none have arrived yet have they? Thiago didn't come for example. So sometimes all the talk comes to nothing.

Obvious troll is obvious. Our situation is nothing like yours, neither in terms of existing talent or ability to attract talent.

A Liverpool fan saying 'sometimes all the talk comes to nothing' has given me a good giggle though.

 

[ShadesOfTomato]

FSG will sell him in a New York minute as their entire strategy revolves around selling star players when they have to and replacing with unknown quantities.

Says who?

In nearly 3 years of owning the club, this supposed approach is yet to be seen from FSG at LFC.

 

[Kraftwerker]

Says who?

In nearly 3 years of owning the club, this supposed approach is yet to be seen from FSG at LFC.

Well you haven't had many star players that would be coveted by top clubs.

The obvious exception is Torres who was sold.

Pretty much everyone else other than Suarez has performed poorly or been merely average in last couple of years.

 

[johnny boy]

Obvious troll is obvious. Our situation is nothing like yours, neither in terms of existing talent or ability to attract talent.

A Liverpool fan saying 'sometimes all the talk comes to nothing' has given me a good giggle though.

Yes our situation is different as we cannot attract the same marquee signings we see frequently rumoured to be on the way to United. Money has to be spent wisely.
However, that doesn't mean we still cannot buy the right players we need and if managed properly we can improve.

 

[redman5]

What do you know about FSG's motives?

Obviously the fans don't want Suarez to leave as you shredded your last bit of dignity by defending his indefensibles, and he's your only world class player. I'm sure his loss would be pretty devastating in football terms and for the fans' collective psyche.

But in pure money terms and the hierarchical nature of football, mid-table clubs rarely hold many cards when CL clubs come looking for their players. FSG will sell him in a New York minute as their entire strategy revolves around selling star players when they have to and replacing with unknown quantities.

The key to Liverpool's future is in the hands of Brendan Rodgers, & not Luis Suarez. Of course it helps having world-class players in your team. But ultimately, the manager is the one who maps out the path to success. Jurgen Klopp is a prime example that it's possible to build a top European side without spending big money on marquee signings - We can't compete financially with the likes of United, Chelsea, & City. Plus, we're not going to attract top names to our club anyway. Not whilst we remain out of the CL. Therefore we have to take a risk on young, hungry players, who have something to prove. Rodgers has shown he can get his side to play fluent, attacking football, with or without Suarez. At the end of the day, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Liverpool Football Club has had quite a few world class players since the inception of The Premiership. Problem being of course, much of our play has meant they've been the focal point of our attacking play. Nothing wrong with that of course. But we've never had anyone with the ability to step up to the plate when the 'world-class' lads aren't producing the goods. So even if Suarez were to remain, there's nothing to suggest we'd fare any better than we have over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

 

[charleysurf]

The key to Liverpool's future is in the hands of Brendan Rodgers, & not Luis Suarez. Of course it helps having world-class players in your team. But ultimately, the manager is the one who maps out the path to success. Jurgen Klopp is a prime example that it's possible to build a top European side without spending big money on marquee signings - We can't compete financially with the likes of United, Chelsea, & City. Plus, we're not going to attract top names to our club anyway. Not whilst we remain out of the CL. Therefore we have to take a risk on young, hungry players, who have something to prove. Rodgers has shown he can get his side to play fluent, attacking football, with or without Suarez. At the end of the day, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Liverpool Football Club has had quite a few world class players since the inception of The Premiership. Problem being of course, much of our play has meant they've been the focal point of our attacking play. Nothing wrong with that of course. But we've never had anyone with the ability to step up to the plate when the 'world-class' lads aren't producing the goods. So even if Suarez were to remain, there's nothing to suggest we'd fare any better than we have over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

A pretty good comment.

 

[alastair]

Suarez is clearly world class, for me. He consistently produces the goods in the big games. He scores every type of goal. His only issue is his character, which we won't revisit.

If Arsenal were to sign him, that'd be the biggest signing we've made since Campbell.

 

[Grinner]

Suarez is clearly world class, for me. He consistently produces the goods in the big games. He scores every type of goal. His only issue is his character, which we won't revisit.

If Arsenal were to sign him, that'd be the biggest signing we've made since Campbell.

I think he's in a lower tier currently but clearly able to step up if in a bigger team than Poo.

 

[Kraftwerker]

The key to Liverpool's future is in the hands of Brendan Rodgers, & not Luis Suarez. Of course it helps having world-class players in your team. But ultimately, the manager is the one who maps out the path to success. Jurgen Klopp is a prime example that it's possible to build a top European side without spending big money on marquee signings - We can't compete financially with the likes of United, Chelsea, & City. Plus, we're not going to attract top names to our club anyway. Not whilst we remain out of the CL. Therefore we have to take a risk on young, hungry players, who have something to prove. Rodgers has shown he can get his side to play fluent, attacking football, with or without Suarez. At the end of the day, the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Liverpool Football Club has had quite a few world class players since the inception of The Premiership. Problem being of course, much of our play has meant they've been the focal point of our attacking play. Nothing wrong with that of course. But we've never had anyone with the ability to step up to the plate when the 'world-class' lads aren't producing the goods. So even if Suarez were to remain, there's nothing to suggest we'd fare any better than we have over the past 2 or 3 seasons.

All Rogers has shown is that he can get 'Liverpool Football Club' to finish mid-table, having spent a considerable amount of money and not beaten a single team above them in the table (except in one game?). Even if you'd played the entire season without Luis Suarez, it's not exactly a glowing record is it, especially for Liverpool Football Club.

Of course everyone wants to be Dortmund, virtually the perfect football model of not spending much but competing at the top level. But comparisons with Klopp, much as I'm sure you'd like to see them, are as ridiculous as the previous comparison with United.

 

[Rado_N]

Suarez is clearly world class, for me. He consistently produces the goods in the big games. He scores every type of goal. His only issue is his character, which we won't revisit.

If Arsenal were to sign him, that'd be the biggest signing we've made since Campbell.

Does he consistently produce in big games though?

I'd be interested to see how the stats look on that front.

 

[Earthquake]

Does he consistently produce in big games though?

I'd be interested to see how the stats look on that front.

He was good against Chelsea that time he bit Ivanovic.

Most of last season, I seem to remember it being Sturridge and Gerrard that stepped up in the big games though, and Suarez would fire a handful in against Norwich like always.

 

[Grinner]

It will be interesting to see how he does at a top club surrounded by very good players.

 

[alastair]

Does he consistently produce in big games though?

I'd be interested to see how the stats look on that front.

I don't care about stats.

What I know is that at the Emirates he scored and was fantastic, he scored a wonderful free kick against Man City, scored in the Merseyside derby, etc.

The guy is a sensational footballer.

 

[Rado_N]

I'm not saying he's not good, but the idea that he 'consistently produces in the big games' should be easy to back up (or not) with a look at his goalscoring record.

I do think sensational is overstating it, too.

 

[alastair]

I'm not saying he's not good, but the idea that he 'consistently produces in the big games' should be easy to back up (or not) with a look at his goalscoring record.

I do think sensational is overstating it, too.

Well I gave you some examples.

I watch football matches. I don't visit stat websites, and I look at Suarez and think 'this guy needs to be playing at the very highest level.'

 

[Rado_N]

Fair enough, I'm not much of a stato either, I was genuinely just curious as I've had this notion in my mind that he racked up his tally against lower level teams with goals that didn't secure many points.

I don't rate him as highly as many seem to, but he's obviously good.