Still it would equate to 60m
How many goals against top sides did he scored though? I mean even Depay scored alot of goals in Dutch football. Once he came with United he looks like a Championship level player to me.
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Still it would equate to 60m
How many goals against top sides did he scored though? I mean even Depay scored alot of goals in Dutch football. Once he came with United he looks like a Championship level player to me.
To give you an idea. Berardi was scoring goals against the likes of Inters and Milan despite being very young, whose playing at a relatively shit side and despite not being exactly a striker. If I remember well Rashford, scored 2 goals against Arsenal despite not being able to hold the ball very well.
Surely a 60m rated goal poacher had scored goals against top sides didn't he?
Surely a 60m rated goal poacher had scored goals against top sides didn't he?
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How much would Rashford cost from a PL rival? Because by buying another young striker for big bucks you are basically putting Rashford either on the bench or on the wings for the foreseeable future.
If you compare this shiny new toy Silva to our talents Rash and Martial, how good is he really?
IMO either we buy about guaranteed WC in the shape of Dybala \ Griez for the striker \ second-striker position, or we don't buy at all. We are already spoilt with talent in that position.
If you compare this shiny new toy Silva to our talents Rash and Martial, how good is he really?
IMO either we buy about guaranteed WC in the shape of Dybala \ Griez for the striker \ second-striker position, or we don't buy at all. We are already spoilt with talent in that position.
How many top sides have Porto played? how many top sides had Martial scored against when we bought him?
He destroyed the faroe islands
It's not about comparing him directly with them, forget Martial as a striker, that isn't where Jose or Deschamps are using him, it's pretty clear that his future lies in the same role as Reus/Neymar/Hazard/Bale type players. Rashford may also end up playing wide to utilize his pace and take away the fact he isn't suited to holding the ball up and playing as the attacking pivot. It's not that Silva is better per se, it's that he has strengths suited to Jose's style of play that the other 2 don't.
As for Dybala and Griezmann, that would be close to another world record on either and would basically make Mata and Mkhi squad players, not sure that would be wise.
Martial scored goals against Liverpool and psg at a younger age of silva. And despite not being able to hold the ball as silva seem to do ( according to you).
Why spend 60m on a striker whose older and less proven to the one weve got? Havent learnt anything about following the manager philosophy blindly?
Dybala/ griezmann wont cost that much more than andre silva and they are way more proven
Jesus Christ we need that world beater Martial from last season so badly! He's IMO our most clinical player, best finisher in the team. Last season i was holding our breath everytime he gets the ball, absolute class.
Could see us going for Harry Kane but I'm honestly not convinced by him.
Lol, ok two teams, and according to me? Well it's a farily basic attribute to indetify in a player dev, I would hardly be making it up for the sake of an internet argument.
Because we operate as a manager driven club, nothing has changed in that regard, the squad will be shaped to the playing style of our manager, just like City will be overloaded with tippy tappy ball players and CB's that can pass but can't defend no matter who comes in after Pep, because those are the type of players he likes..
Andre Silva would cost no more than £30M up front, Griezmann's buyout is now close to £90M and do you think Juve would accept less for Dybala than they got from us for Pogba? I highly doubt it, and even then we have high caliber atackers in their roles, we don't have a proper #9 to repalce Ibra.
We also have a striker whom, at 18 years of age took the world by surprise by scoring goals in the most boring united team in united history. That including 2 goals agaimst arsenal
Yet we need to spend 60m on an unproven striker and play these two strikers on the flanks. Philosophy
Lol, ok two teams, and according to me? Well it's a farily basic attribute to indetify in a player dev, I would hardly be making it up for the sake of an internet argument.
Because we operate as a manager driven club, nothing has changed in that regard, the squad will be shaped to the playing style of our manager, just like City will be overloaded with tippy tappy ball players and CB's that can pass but can't defend no matter who comes in after Pep, because those are the type of players he likes..
Andre Silva would cost no more than £30M up front, Griezmann's buyout is now close to £90M and do you think Juve would accept less for Dybala than they got from us for Pogba? I highly doubt it, and even then we have high caliber atackers in their roles, we don't have a proper #9 to repalce Ibra.
Once uniteds name is mentioned good luck getting him for 30m. They will aim for the full price. Which is stupid considered we got younger options who unlike silva had already played against and scored against real defenses
True, very true. Spending big money on one more young CF isn't good IMO. Having all 3 young players up front is not good, we need 1 experienced one to guide them with experience.
I would spend money on wingers and just let Martial and Rashford takeover in number 9 role in next 2 seasons. If they don't live up to the expectations we can always buy a new number 9 then.
Tbf i can see mou aiming for the lesser good foreign toy and showing the middle finger to youth talent. Maybe Rashford need to play for shitty as de bruyne did to be appreciated
Tho i can understand @Devil may care reasoning. Mourinho's loved having big and brutish number 9 spearheading the attack. Ibrahimovic x2, Costa, Benzema.
But he also did use smaller but technically more gifted forwards like Milito, Eto'o, Derlei, McCarthy, Higuain in a different setup.
But he also did use smaller but technically more gifted forwards like Milito, Eto'o, Derlei, McCarthy, Higuain in a different setup.
Aubameyang, or for a younger player with potential, Dolberg at Ajax looks worth keeping an eye on.
Would be fekin painful having to watch Rashford and Martial withering on the bench. Even now it's dreadful having to watch them being benched or playing on the RW (LW they do manage) whilst that log Zlatan can't score sitters.
We had two top quality young strikers who feel comfortable to play as a striker. If mou can't build a team around them then maybe hes not as good as he think.
Im not a big fan of managers who are one trick ponies
Don't think we need to buy anyone up top. Realistically which top players will come to us, especially as Ibra will always start? Then once Ibra moves on or runs out his contract surely we want Martial or Rashford up top.
I still want to see Martial playing as a 9, think he can be so much more effective there and has the tools to be a proper striker.
If we're spending £££ let's sort out our CB and find someone, anyone, who can play close to Carrick's level & with his style
I still want to see Martial playing as a 9, think he can be so much more effective there and has the tools to be a proper striker.
If we're spending £££ let's sort out our CB and find someone, anyone, who can play close to Carrick's level & with his style
They've both played as much football wide as they have as a striker, and they are young enough to develop there further, neither are going to be the type of striker Jose likes up top, that's not being a one trick pony, that's having a definitive vision of how you want to shape your team.
Rubbish. If Mourinho can't make a beast of a centre forward out of one of Rashford and Martial then he's a feckwit.
We've got two of the best young players in world football. We don't need another striker when we can mould them into superstars.
Saf had tall strikers (rvn) fast strikers (cole) goal poachers (ole) and hardworking ones (Rooney and tevez). Thats what a great manager does. He adapts
There again saf wasnt sacked two times
Exactly
He can't make them into something they are not, and I think you're overexagerrating with the bolded part when it comes to Rashford.
Fergie played with two strikers and touchline hugging wingers, it's very different requirements for a lone #9 playing with inside forwards.
He can make sure that they're brilliant players that score lots of goals. The pair of them are fast, strong and skilful. Every manager in football would like what they bring to the forward role.
Rashford is one of the best young players in the world. He's been doing the business aged 18 on one of the biggest stages. Few can compete with his resume.
Making sure they are brilliant players isn't about whether they play as a #9 though, which has been my point, Martial is a wide forward, he's played the bulk of his career there and produced most of his best performances there, that's where he'll be developed further by Jose. Rashford has done well yes, but I think he's still very raw in his all round game, I don't see him on the same level as Martial in terms of the potential and I do think Jose will develop him as a wide player as well, as no matter what he does with him he's not going to be the Costa/Ibra/Drogba/Benzema type of #9 Mourinho wants and builds his sides on.
Martial is playing poorly at the moment which is fine for a young player. However he looks uncomfortable on the wing. With the resources we have his obvious place is at 9 but we need to give him some playing time there. Wide forwards and United seems an odd fit. Rashford has been brilliant for us but he is a kid.... No need to put him in the side right now unless from the bench.
We need a CDM and at least one winger.
We need a CDM and at least one winger.
Fergie played a variety of systems throughout his career including 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1. His flanks were dominated by traditional wingers (ex Giggs and Kanchelskis), to defensive wingers (ex Park and Valencia), right to inside forwards (ex Ronaldo) and Right sided midfielders (Beckham). Upfront he played with no 10s (Cantona), without no 10s, with pacey stikers, tall strikers and goal poachers. A top manager plays with the top talent he's got. They shape the system not he shapes it. When SAF brought in Ronaldo (exceptional player) he got the best out of him by adding Park and Tevez to do the donkey work, allowing Ronaldo to focus on what he does best.
Do you seriously think SAF would spend 60m on some striker who score goals against Championship level defenses when he's got top quality players like Rashford or Martial who are iching to play upfront? No way. If Mourinho wants to keep playing football manager then he should have stayed with the plastic clubs he made a career with (oh well, he couldn't cause he got sacked....twice). We give youths a chance
You realize that Fergie shaped and bought those squads as he saw fit across 26 years, they weren't foisted on him with him told "Make of that what you can" they were at United based off what he wanted, we are simply giving Jose the same freedom, and Fergie largely played 4-4-2 man, the type of strikers in the 2 varied but lets not split hairs, he switched to 4-5-1 in tough away games in his latter days.
I think SAF would do whatever he felt was best for what he wanted for the team, like spending £32M on Berbatov when we didn't need another striker, or buying Zaha when we didn't need another winger. Fergie like any other manager made calls that many didn't agree with, you being one of them as I've seen you moaning about Fergie's latter years and transfers on here a lot.
Last night Jose spoke of Martial and Rashford as wide players, best get used to that IMO. I see the catty remarks about Mourinho are creeping in dev, you're better than that, and he's not, not giving them a chance, he's just not playing them where you think they should be played, there's a difference.
The first SAF's team was a typical English 4-4-2 type of team, with a tough CM and two quick wingers who hugged the line. He sold Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes to bring in Beckham who was hardly a typical EPL winger, he moved Scholes in midfield and bought Cole. At one point it was time for a change. Beckham was replaced by an 18 year old kid who was nothing to what United were used to and played Fletcher there when he needed more experience to the side. When Ronaldo became WC. He accommodated the team to get the best out of him. A defensive winger was brought in (JSP) and he abandoned the idea of having a goalscorer to rely on two hardworking forwards who can drop deep in midfield and help the team up. Ronaldo left at, possibly the worst time ever, as its top players were growing old. SAF accommodated them by bringing Valencia who was hardworking, he moved Giggs in CM and brought to the team a world class 'tall type' of striker that could take the best out of the forward line. So seriously SAF accommodated to the circumstances rather then shaped things to his image. All he asked was loyalty and a 100% commitment.
You refuse to answer my question. Would SAF put a homegrown young striker who had scored a reasonable amount of goals in a team that barely created anything (including goals against Arsenal) on the flank to spend 60m on someone who scored goals against Championship level of defenses?
Yes, if he thought it was the right choice for what he was doing with that current team. We have several attacking players and mdifielders that benefit from having a #9 that can bring them into play and provide the focal point for them to play off, it makes no sense to piss that away to build the team around a kid who has just turned 19 whose game isn't suited to getting the best from the team.
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50 goals in 80 League matches playing for Spurs and you are not convinced. You have high demands
Martial should be our striker for years to come, that's why he was bought and he's still developing. What we really should be looking at is a LW. Martial is a makeshift LW because Depay turned out ... the way he did.
Fingers crossed that now his new contract has been confirmed this will end any speculation (if there had actually been any) about Kane leaving Spurs.
If I was a Utd fan i'd be crossing fingers about a bid for Berardi - as others have suggested. Fantastically talented player just waiting to burst onto the world scene imo. I really like him.
If I was a Utd fan i'd be crossing fingers about a bid for Berardi - as others have suggested. Fantastically talented player just waiting to burst onto the world scene imo. I really like him.
So you really like Berardi and you're a Spurs fan but you wouldn't mind seeing him in UTD shirt?
No I wouldnt lol because I really rate him - I said that 'IF I WAS A UTD FAN' I'd be hoping for Berardi. As a Spurs fan I'd much rather we had him but it would be nice to see him playing in the premiership in general.