Stones vs David Luiz

Luiz, can be inconsistent but is at the moment better in most areas. Stones is the better passer though.

Stones could be world class, buzz word in that sentence 'could be'

Vast majority of players never meet their hype.
 
People really saying Stones is better than Luiz????????? Wow
 
Pentame said:
I choose to ignore the last two years under Dunga. They have now got a much better manager and we all know how good their players are.
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Do we? I certainly don't think their players are all that. Neymar aside, don't see them as anything special.
 
saivet said:
Do we? I certainly don't think their players are all that. Neymar aside, don't see them as anything special.
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Marcelo, Thiago Silva, Dani Alves and more... They're definitely one of the best NT in the world IMO, even though they've been shit recently
 
pixel said:
So just because someone thinks stones is the better defender means he 'clearly doesn't understand football' ? :lol: :wenger:
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So just because you have an opinion, that means it can't be wrong? What if you said Raheem Sterling was better than Neymar... would that not prove you didn't know what you were talking about? :rolleyes:

Stones isn't even in Luiz's league at the minute. City bought him based on pure potential. Luiz is an established CB who's won Champions League's and been in World XI's and played for some of the biggest teams in the world. Stone's isn't even City's second best defender.
 
I have hated Luiz ever since that wink after managing to redcard Rafael. And he was hilarious in that WC semi final.
But all things considered, he is better than Stones. At the moment.
 
Jaybomb said:
So just because you have an opinion, that means it can't be wrong? What if you said Raheem Sterling was better than Neymar... would that not prove you didn't know what you were talking about? :rolleyes:

Stones isn't even in Luiz's league at the minute. City bought him based on pure potential. Luiz is an established CB who's won Champions League's and been in World XI's and played for some of the biggest teams in the world. Stone's isn't even City's second best defender.
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Yeah possibly having an incorrect opinion(which itself is debatable) and 'clearly not understanding football' are one and the same thing. As far as the Sterling and Neymar analogy...one would think the Stones was being compared against an in their prime Rio/Vidic/Terry. Just to remind you this is David Luiz we are talking about. Who IMO is a good defender on his day. But who is also susceptible to some spectacular lapses of concentration. Over the course of the season, Luiz might prove to be the better defender. But to dismiss the comparison outright is premature.
 
Luiz is vastly more experienced than Stones and it shows in his play more often than not. Of course, the hope and belief for Stones' fans is that he will stop making errors at the back/taking unnecessary risks (though there is no absolute certainty of that happening no matter what the media hype around him is currently) which will surely end up in him being a far superior defender eventually.
 
pixel said:
Yeah possibly having an incorrect opinion(which itself is debatable) and 'clearly not understanding football' are one and the same thing. As far as the Sterling and Neymar analogy...one would think the Stones was being compared against an in their prime Rio/Vidic/Terry. Just to remind you this is David Luiz we are talking about. Who IMO is a good defender on his day. But who is also susceptible to some spectacular lapses of concentration. Over the course of the season, Luiz might prove to be the better defender. But to dismiss the comparison outright is premature.
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Luiz won the Champions League for Chelsea and played immense in the final.... Terry never did.

Infact, when Terry did play in the final, he cost them it.

shamans said:
Why is it we say some names like Stones as just "Stones" but for Luiz we say their full name. David Luiz.
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It's a lot to do with the Spanish/Portuguese naming system. A lot of them use one name like "Rivaldo", "Robinho", etc. Whereas the English never seem to have a player goes under a "stage name"... the closest being Gazza or Razor Ruddock.
 
Jaybomb said:
Luiz won the Champions League for Chelsea and played immense in the final.... Terry never did.

Infact, when Terry did play in the final, he cost them it.
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Terry was key to 4 league titles and was the leader on statistically the best defense in PL history.
 
When do second comings really go well? Especially when the player according to myself and other people hasn't developped much during the last years?

Luiz:
'I wasted two years at PSG in Ligue 1. It's like playing FIFA on the beginner level.'
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I wouldn't want a player with an attitude like that anywhere near my team...someone like Koulibaly would have been much better but Chelsea got snubbed again and again. :drool:
 
Mourinhonista said:
When do second comings really go well? Especially when the player according to myself and other people hasn't developped much during the last years?

Luiz:

I wouldn't want a player with an attitude like that anywhere near my team...someone like Koulibaly would have been much better but Chelsea got snubbed again and again. :drool:
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You do realise he didn't say that?
 
Mourinhonista said:
When do second comings really go well? Especially when the player according to myself and other people hasn't developped much during the last years?

Luiz:

I wouldn't want a player with an attitude like that anywhere near my team...someone like Koulibaly would have been much better but Chelsea got snubbed again and again. :drool:
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:lol: You really think he'd say that?
 
Luiz...

He will likely become the next captain for Chelsea and really is a huge plus to team morale and locker room. In addition, he could play midfield just as well.
 
Luiz is 29 Stones is 22.

Experience is important, especially for defenders and so it seems strange to compare.
 
Mourinhonista said:
When do second comings really go well? Especially when the player according to myself and other people hasn't developped much during the last years?

Luiz:

I wouldn't want a player with an attitude like that anywhere near my team...someone like Koulibaly would have been much better but Chelsea got snubbed again and again. :drool:
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I've seen this 'quote' doing the rounds on Facebook but I've yet to see an actual source from it.

Is this from the same page that claimed Zlatan said "Liverpool approached me but I didn't want to join a team that finishes 8th and still thinks they're a top club."?

Luiz has definitely developed since leaving Chelsea. Like I said before, he's been in the TOTS both seasons he was in France and also got himself into the Ballon d'Or TOTY. Him and Silva are a deadly partnership. Probably my favourite CB partnership today.

Keeps It tidy said:
Terry was key to 4 league titles and was the leader on statistically the best defense in PL history.
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Terry is an overrated kn0b in my opinion. Wouldn't even have him in the Top 5 PL CB's. I won't deny that him and Carvalho were a great partnership though. But "World Class"? Nah. He was never up there with the likes of Puyol, Ramos, Vidic, Maldini, Nesta, etc.
 
Revan said:
David Luiz by a large distance. Stones will probably become better in the future, but at the moment Luiz is much better.
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Agree with that. Both defensively poor but david Luiz is significantly better at bringing the ball out from the back.
 
Jaybomb said:
I've seen this 'quote' doing the rounds on Facebook but I've yet to see an actual source from it.

Is this from the same page that claimed Zlatan said "Liverpool approached me but I didn't want to join a team that finishes 8th and still thinks they're a top club."?

Luiz has definitely developed since leaving Chelsea. Like I said before, he's been in the TOTS both seasons he was in France and also got himself into the Ballon d'Or TOTY. Him and Silva are a deadly partnership. Probably my favourite CB partnership today.



Terry is an overrated kn0b in my opinion. Wouldn't even have him in the Top 5 PL CB's. I won't deny that him and Carvalho were a great partnership though. But "World Class"? Nah. He was never up there with the likes of Puyol, Ramos, Vidic, Maldini, Nesta, etc.
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Kindly name 5 PL cbs better than Terry over the years?
 
Stones.

Less rash, more composed and has a higher ceiling. He will excel under Pep.
 
Hemil said:
Kindly name 5 PL cbs better than Terry over the years?
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In terms of ability, not necessarily longevity; Stam, Vidić, Hyppiä, Adams, Campbell, Carvalho, Rio

I actually think Carvalho made Terry look better than he was (not that he was bad, he covered his flaws).
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
In terms of ability, not necessarily longevity; Stam, Vidić, Hyppiä, Adams, Campbell, Carvalho, Rio

I actually think Carvalho made Terry look better than he was (not that he was bad, he covered his flaws).
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Back when they were a partnership the defense would still be solid when Carvalho was out they would fall apart when Terry was missing. The whole myth about Terry being carried by his CB partners should have died a long time ago. He won a league title with Gary Cahill as his CB partner.
 
David Luiz is definitely better even though I'm not a big fan of either. Luiz is prone to making mistakes but he is capable of putting in great defensive performances, though they are inconsistent. He is a decent tackler and decent in the air, both of which John Stones struggles with right now. In terms of being a ball playing defender, I'd say Luiz is better at distributing the ball too despite most seeming to claim Stones is THE ball playing defender. Stones' distribution is very good for a defender but he does still give the ball away quite a bit and Luiz is similarly very good at distributing the ball and a lot of his best performances came in midfield imo. There's no area where I would say Stones is actually better than Luiz right now and I personally still can't see anything in Stones to justify the hype. He just seems to be another young English player labelled with a big 'potential' sign which apparently means more than actually watching his performances and judging him on those. Despite City excelling in attack since Guardiola took over, I still think it's telling that they haven't kept a clean sheet and Stones has been at fault for a number of those goals imo. Both have been massively overpaid for this window and, in Luiz' case, in past windows. Very happy we avoided the Stones hype and got Bailly.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Back when they were a partnership the defense would still be solid when Carvalho was out they would fall apart when Terry was missing. The whole myth about Terry being carried by his CB partners should have died a long time ago. He won a league title with Gary Cahill as his CB partner.
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Back to back titles next to Ricardo. Three Premier League Team of the Year inclusions in a row next to him. He suffered when Makélélé left the club. He was less talked about the next few years. 2014/2015 was his redemption season. Similar to Rio's 2012/2013.

Contrary to popular belief, Cahill has been a very good centre back for Chelsea.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
Back to back titles next to Ricardo. Three Premier League Team of the Year inclusions in a row next to him. He suffered when Makélélé left the club. He was less talked about the next few years. 2014/2015 was his redemption season. Similar to Rio's 2012/2013.

Contrary to popular belief, Cahill has been a very good centre back for Chelsea.
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How did he suffer. Once Makelele left they still had one of the best defensive records in the league and were still a serious threat in Europe?
 
Jaybomb said:
Vidic, Ferdinand, Campbell, Kompany, Stam, Adams, to name a few.
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Campbell was nowhere even close to what Terry has done. Terry has been consistent for 13 long years at the top of his game. Won the PL 4 times with different partners at all times.

Stam played 2 and half seasons in PL. No way you can compare that to 13 seasons.

Kompany has barely been fit for 2 seasons too. Wow. Imagine comparing his to Terry.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
In terms of ability, not necessarily longevity; Stam, Hyppiä, Adams, Campbell, Carvalho, Rio

I actually think Carvalho made Terry look better than he was (not that he was bad, he covered his flaws).
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So longevity is not important in talking about the best players now? So a player who played 2 and half season in PL is better than a guy who played 13 seasons and won it 4 times at the top of his game.
 
WhoDaGOAT said:
In terms of ability, not necessarily longevity; Stam, Vidić, Hyppiä, Adams, Campbell, Carvalho, Rio

I actually think Carvalho made Terry look better than he was (not that he was bad, he covered his flaws).
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Except Terry was superb before and after Carvalho. Carvalho was superb CB but so was Terry. There is no way Hypia was better than Terry and Kompany inclusion is just laughable.
 
Revan said:
David Luiz by a large distance. Stones will probably become better in the future, but at the moment Luiz is much better.
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Stones is rated because he is good on the ball but Luiz is on different level when it comes to ability on the ball. He is like a midfielder. Even defense Luiz is much better. Stones is poor man's Luiz without the aggression.
 
roonster09 said:
Except Terry was superb before and after Carvalho. Carvalho was superb CB but so was Terry. There is no way Hypia was better than Terry and Kompany inclusion is just laughable.
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Who said he wasn't? I believe his prime was with Carvalho.

Who mentioned Kompany?
 
Hemil said:
So longevity is not important in talking about the best players now? So a player who played 2 and half season in PL is better than a guy who played 13 seasons and won it 4 times at the top of his game.
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Took him 13 seasons to win 4 titles. It only took Stam 3 seasons to win 3 titles.

Speaks volumes about him.
 
Hemil said:
Campbell was nowhere even close to what Terry has done. Terry has been consistent for 13 long years at the top of his game. Won the PL 4 times with different partners at all times.

Stam played 2 and half seasons in PL. No way you can compare that to 13 seasons.

Kompany has barely been fit for 2 seasons too. Wow. Imagine comparing his to Terry.
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Agree. The only ones who I would say were on the level of Terry are Rio, Adams and Vidic.

My order would be: Rio, Terry, Adams, Vidic. One of Campbell or Carvaljo to complete the top 5.
 
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