Film Star Wars: Episode VIII

fcbforever said:
Oh god, the prototype right wing snowflake? :lol::lol: The only thing he is right about is that people should not try to interfere with his right to speak and that the BDS moement is utter idiocy and everyone truly following it is an anti-semite. Doesn't change the fact that nothing that ever left his mouth apart from this made sense whatsoever. Just a slimey "I want the 50's back" conservative. Americas Rees-Mogg.
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Save that for my future thread :mad:
 
sullydnl said:
If they did that then wouldn't all the escape pods be left pretty helpless in the general vicinity of all the bad guys who survived being lightspeeded to death? Their plan to sneak safely onto the planet before luring all the bad guys away with a jump into lightspeed makes more sense, I think.

Autopilot would still have done the job, mind.
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Good point. Works for me.
 
While we’re talking about alt-right idols, would it be fair to say there’s a whiff of gamergate/ghostbusters to the backlash? Furious nerds dog-whistled out from the undergrowth by accusations of feminism and diversity being foisted on us against our will? Or is that a conspiracy theory too far?
 
So those red guards are double-hard bastards impervious to the force, yes? Because in past movies Jedis just wave their hands and send enemies flying into pieces. Yer man Ren can stop blaster bolts and he sent the comedy villain Hux flying when he got a weed on about firing at Luke. So why couldn't he force throw the red guards?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
While we’re talking about alt-right idols, would it be fair to say there’s a whiff of gamergate/ghostbusters to the backlash? Furious nerds dog-whistled out from the undergrowth by accusations of feminism and diversity being foisted on us against our will? Or is that a conspiracy theory too far?
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I think there are lots of people who genuinely hated this film but I have noticed that people are starting to suggest those who dislike found it too challenging because it subverted Star Wars memes. I'm waiting for the "the nerds don't like strong women" angle. It will happen I think, especially given the unusual critic to hard core fan evaluation discrepancy.

I think it's a pretty odd movie that doesn't really work but has some interesting moments, but not woeful.
 
Grinner said:
So those red guards are double-hard bastards impervious to the force, yes? Because in past movies Jedis just wave their hands and send enemies flying into pieces. Yer man Ren can stop blaster bolts and he sent the comedy villain Hux flying when he got a weed on about firing at Luke. So why couldn't he force throw the red guards?
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I have a small speculation on them being knights of Ren. Being the group of jedis Kylo Ren took with him from the school that Luke had. If so they'd have some force-training and it would make some sense. But at the other end, they'd surely be more conflicted about fighting their own/former master, no?

They didn't really look like knights of Ren when comparing to the flashback when they were dressed in black as Kylo Ren and now had moved on to red. Maybe the knights of Ren got dissolved when Kylo became the apprentice of Snoke and they became his bodyguards?
 
Fingeredmouse said:
I think there are lots of people who genuinely hated this film but I have noticed that people are starting to suggest those who dislike found it too challenging because it subverted Star Wars memes. I'm waiting for the "the nerds don't like strong women" angle. It will happen I think, especially given the unusual critic to hard core fan evaluation discrepancy.

I think it's a pretty odd movie that doesn't really work but has some interesting moments, but not woeful.
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That’s a definite thing and has been knocking round since the last one. Plus the subtle - and not so subtle - racism about John Boyata having such a big role. I’m not sure there’s been anything coordinated, though. With people like Ben Shapiro wading in it kind of feels like this movie’s been selected as a hill that a certain type of person wants to die on, to fight for a certain type of belief system.
 
Snowjoe said:
You’re severely underestimating this, we live in a world of microagressions now, this would take off in a heartbeat. If anything being outside America wouldn’t make things better for them. “Disney screwing people in less advantaged countries”, Twitter lynch mobs would love a slice of that action.

Anyway is there any other proof to this other than “word is going round”. Unlikely because it’s a stupid idea for Disney to try.
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Large corporations do this all the time. This is getting tedious. All of this is stuff that doesn't need explaining. Eh, but what the hell.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/06/media/disney-la-times-boycott/index.html

The above is another power-play they tried. There was backlash and they backtracked. Disney have been doing dozens of this kind of thing for about eighteen-months in a variety of ways, 99.9% of them behind the scenes.

It would not surprise me if this particular story re the handicapped assistance tickets were true, it would not surprise me if it weren't. Bottom line, no one cares yet. It's just an extra $6 for each person. Disney will have done their research. If they try to make it permanent and there's backlash, they'll spin it as it was just for TLJ etc. It's a non-story. Even if true, no one is going to care about a couple hundred tweets total worldwide in Romanian, Swedish, Malay, etc.
 
Snowjoe said:
If you’re going to start the high and mighty act then you can do one quite honestly. The link you just posted has nothing to do with an issue like shafting disabled people in how the public will see it. People care far less than that than they do about emotive issues. I’ve never argued companies don’t do shady shit but something like this would be a huge own goal, and currently you’ve got nothing other than “you’ve heard it” to back it up.
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:lol::lol:

No one's being high and mighty. A poster seemed like (s)he could maybe do with a little extra info and from then on I've responded to each post of yours with respect along with brief but as detailed as possible explanations on why corporations do such things, how they calculate the potential risks, and how it's not that big of a deal as you keep insinuating it is and some other instances of Disney's recent actions that would put this kind of behavior in the realm of possibility.

For example, when TPM came out - and this is twenty years ago so the details might be very slightly off - Fox demanded a 6 week 50%/96% run - you had to show the movie exclusively on no less than 50% of your screens for 6 weeks and 96% of ticket sales went to the distributor for the entirety of those six weeks. Normal breakdown for a blockbuster back then was 90% first week and dropping by 2-4% each successive week. When studios have these mega-blockbusters, they'll milk it for everything it's worth and the exhibitors will bite the bullet and take it.

If you're in Europe this handicapped should be easily verifiable with a simple phone call to your usual multiplex.

Have a good one.
 
Not a Star Wars fan but got given free tickets to a screening. I was not impressed at all. Just because I am not a fan does not mean I cannot be entertained but I was not, too many moments I kept questioning why they did certain things when they could have done other things, illogical comprehension of something in a matter of seconds they did not even believe was possible 10 seconds before, film was a bit too long and just in general, poor/average at best.

My personal view is that it won't encourage many non fans to become fans of the franchise
 
hungrywing said:
:lol::lol:

No one's being high and mighty. A poster seemed like (s)he could maybe do with a little extra info and from then on I've responded to each post of yours with respect along with brief but as detailed as possible explanations on why corporations do such things, how they calculate the potential risks, and how it's not that big of a deal as you keep insinuating it is and some other instances of Disney's recent actions that would put this kind of behavior in the realm of possibility.

For example, when TPM came out - and this is twenty years ago so the details might be very slightly off - Fox demanded a 6 week 50%/96% run - you had to show the movie exclusively on no less than 50% of your screens for 6 weeks and 96% of ticket sales went to the distributor for the entirety of those six weeks. Normal breakdown for a blockbuster back then was 90% first week and dropping by 2-4% each successive week. When studios have these mega-blockbusters, they'll milk it for everything it's worth and the exhibitors will bite the bullet and take it.

If you're in Europe this handicapped should be easily verifiable with a simple phone call to your usual multiplex.

Have a good one.
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No one was being high and mighty till you dropped the snide little first paragraph in your last post to try show your intellectual superiority.

I’ve not argued against pretty much everything you’ve said about how money hungry they all are, I just disagreed that I thought they would do this for carers. You keep giving examples of things they do that don’t involve emotive issues in any way.

As it happens my local multiplex has a free career policy valid at all times so it’s not happening here.
 
Just watched it. Haven't read a word about it, here or elsewhere. I'd say it's about 2 parts good and 3 parts bad. There was enough material in there to make one great movie, but it had so much stupid shit in between and around.
 
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I saw this last night and enjoyed it well enough. I'd say i was a fairly big Star Wars fan and the film sat fine with me. There were a few things i might liked to have seen more of but at the end of the day, they'd have to make the film even longer to fit all that in too. I did find myself thinking 'This is fairly reminiscent of ESB' at a few points in it too.

What i found most strange about my reaction to it though, is that i left the cinema and wasn't immediately thinking about what might happen next. When i'd watched TFA i had a few interesting and exciting theories about how the next film might play out, but none of that this time. Not sure if that's good or bad tbh.
 
I just saw that Chris Terrio is doing the episode 9 script with Abrams... bit of a downgrade from Kasdan.
 
Ubik said:
I just saw that Chris Terrio is doing the episode 9 script with Abrams... bit of a downgrade from Kasdan.
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I feel sorry for Abrams. Because he really has nowhere to go with the finale apart from band of rebels vs powerful evil force, Rey vs Kylo, and probably involving some sort of superweapon. And he’ll be criticised for doing something safe and boring, but Johnson hasn’t actually left anywhere else for it to go.
 
Untied said:
I feel sorry for Abrams. Because he really has nowhere to go with the finale apart from band of rebels vs powerful evil force, Rey vs Kylo, and probably involving some sort of superweapon. And he’ll be criticised for doing something safe and boring, but Johnson hasn’t actually left anywhere else for it to go.
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Where else was it going to go from the starting point Abrams created? If we still had Snoke and Rey's parents were jedis of Great Importance, we'd be heading towards exactly the same thing except it'd be even more like RotJ.

And if he goes with another superweapon he's just lazy, that's not Johnson's fault.
 
Revan said:
They were still powerful at that stage, having been able to create the weapon in the first place, and ruling thousands or so system. While if you look at the events of post-RotJ (be it in the old or new canon), The New Republic had destroyed the Empire. So yep, I think it is quite important to know who was this guy who managed to destroy the New Republic, from the position of weakness.
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It's more about New Republic's idiocy and their military disarm act after the civil war. Imagine United States somehow abandoned nuclear program in the Cold War, ofc First Order would nuke them.

And Leia in 30 years is still part of the Resistance. She resisted what exactly? The First Order didn't even exist at time.

They signed peace treaty, she argued against New Republic's policies and still saw Empire as a treat etc..but that made her more a terrorist than anything

Who wrote this
 
TheSamulator said:
I saw this last night and enjoyed it well enough. I'd say i was a fairly big Star Wars fan and the film sat fine with me. There were a few things i might liked to have seen more of but at the end of the day, they'd have to make the film even longer to fit all that in too. I did find myself thinking 'This is fairly reminiscent of ESB' at a few points in it too.

What i found most strange about my reaction to it though, is that i left the cinema and wasn't immediately thinking about what might happen next. When i'd watched TFA i had a few interesting and exciting theories about how the next film might play out, but none of that this time. Not sure if that's good or bad tbh.
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I don't care at all about the next one, to be honest. They kind of killed all the interesting characters except for Rey and Kylo. And that would've been fine if they hadn't destroyed all the great potential that pair had with one single scene that completely undid everything that happened before and reduced them to good vs bad again. I can't see what interesting direction the story could take from here. Right now, it's like we've gone back to just before Episode 6 and everything that happened in between was kind of inconsequential. Just the names are different.
 
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VP89 said:
Him keeping both rey and ren on the same respective side, keeping Lea and not having a Jerry springer twist on Reys parents points towards fine balance for me. Killing Snoke was the biggest surprise but I otherwise expected one or both of Lea and Luke to go.

I don't think there were too many twists. This one had perfect balance.
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for me their was a lot of twists, or maybe a better word would be deceptions.... heres few: Leia Dead, ow no she's not, Kylos gonna turn good ow, no he isn’t, Holdo is a coward/ wait no she’s not, Lukes come to save the day ow he's died ow wait it was just a projection ow no he is dead, Rose is dead ow no she's not.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
for me their was a lot of twists, or maybe a better word would be deceptions.... heres few: Leia Dead, ow no she's not, Kylos gonna turn good ow, no he isn’t, Holdo is a coward/ wait no she’s not, Lukes come to save the day ow he's died ow wait it was just a projection ow no he is dead, Rose is dead ow no she's not.
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The purple hair lady twist was an especially dumb one. She's hiding her plan from everyone just so that the audience doesn't know it and they can make a twist out of it. The whole thing just looks completely irrational in the context of the story though. That whole sacrifice of common sense in the name of some minor comedic or dramatic effect was a recurring theme.
 
I quite liked the movie, one thing I didn't like was not enough lightsaber action. Too much pew pew not enough zreeom zreeom.
 
Saw this yesterday and I throughly enjoyed it. I would put it in my top 3 after V and IV respectively. What I liked best was how it kept you guessing on each plot point. It’s almost like a tree with so many branches in which each subplot could have gone.

It’s not perfect though (none of them are) and in the end the direction is a little more on the safe side than I thought it’d be. I thought they were going to make the galaxy bigger than the resistance vs empire. I thought they were going to explore the origins of the Jedi and their initial usage of the force with the whole first Jedi temple thing, whilst on other side having this mystical dark side force user Snoke who’s ancient and powerful, and has been watching from behind the scenes. Someone even wiser than the sith.

I can’t really fault the direction it has gone in though. It’s understandable. It’s more thrilling than a lot of the rest and I’m quite happy.
 
I didn't get the bombing thing at the start. How do they work with no gravity? Thought the movie was good and bad. Enjoyed all the Kylo Ren stuff and Rey. Hated the whole casino dinosaur side story, and there was far too much cringe in a lot of lines.
 
Scarecrow said:
I don't care at all about the next one, to be honest. They kind of killed all the interesting characters except for Rey and Kylo. And that would've been fine if they hadn't destroyed all the great potential that pair had with one single scene that completely undid everything that happened before and reduced them to good vs bad again. I can't see what interesting direction the story could take from here. Right now, it's like we've gone back to just before Episode 6 and everything that happened in between was kind of inconsequential. Just the names are different.
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Thats pretty much how I feel about it. And people carp on about how it's shaken everything up. But however many years on from blowing up the second death star the rebellion/resistance has managed to balls it up royally and are just about wiped out. At least there is that kid and his mop.
I've always looked forward to the next star wars film, even after Phantom Menace. Right now I'm not sure I care.
 
altodevil86 said:
I didn't get the bombing thing at the start. How do they work with no gravity? Thought the movie was good and bad. Enjoyed all the Kylo Ren stuff and Rey. Hated the whole casino dinosaur side story, and there was far too much cringe in a lot of lines.
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The ship has artificial gravity on board, so the bombs drop whilst they're within the ship. When they leave the ship, they'll just sustain their momentum without accelerating any further. Or you could just use magnets. Either way, it's more realistic than everything else about that and every other Star Wars space battle.
 
Im guessing ep9 will start with the scroll saying time has passed, Leia has died leaving the remaining rebels without a known Jedi leader (or something), Rey and Finn have been looking for people to join, whilst Kylo has been training Lukes former students he took to become Knights of Ren?
Can see a 5 or something year (or whatever equivalent is) jump?
 
Ubik said:
And if he goes with another superweapon he's just lazy, that's not Johnson's fault.
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What has Johnson added though? There’s literally nothing to look forward to. The Force Awakens at least left us with the anticipation of Luke. The Last Jedi has given us nothing.
 
I always thought the Star Wars universe had no depth at all, if someone tried to expand it now they would be basically creating another science fiction franchise from scratch.
Imagine a director being under pressure to develop a script for Biffs bully friend number 2 from Back To The Future?
 
I'm someone who joined the party very late when it comes to Star Wars. I knew bits about it but I had never watched any of the films properly. I watched The Force Awakens when it came out and loved it. Which made me curious, so I went back and watched all of the Star Wars films including all the prequels and Rogue One.

Like most people I was really looking forward to The Last Jedi. Especially after The Force Awakens. Unfortunately, I just didn't love it. I found it difficult to enjoy. I thought the subplots were baffling, especially Del Toro the 'Codebreaker'. New characters like Rose were great but others dull and forgettable.

I didn't like the development of Kylo Ren. The complete lack of development of Smoak.

I think the thing that was most disappointing was that The Force Awakens (JJ Abrams) set us up with things to look forward to in The Last Jedi and we didn't get any real pay offs nor did I feel like I was getting anything to look forward too for episode 9.

Things I felt were missing from The Last Jedi:
- Snoke backstory ( ???)
- Rey's unknown parents (unflattering)
- Rey & Finn romance ( Confusing triangle thing now?)
- Kylo Ren ( Bipolar Kylo - Emotional mess)

Maybe I need to watch it another time. I know for sure I didn't enjoy it much as the other Star Wars films. Probably one of my least favourites. Curious to know what others think. I think this is the most controversial Star Wars movie. critics love it! - Most fans hate it.
 
acnumber9 said:
What has Johnson added though? There’s literally nothing to look forward to? The Force Awakens at least left us with the anticipation of Luke. The Last Jedi has given us nothing.
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Well yeah, if you hated the film like you did then you aren't going to look forward to much about the next one, are you? Personally, I'm looking forward to more Ren vs Rey and a conclusion to the trilogy that isn't full of Ewoks. It's not always a benefit to leave the film on cliffhangers and mystery boxes, either. Take Han being frozen in carbonite, something that was contrived because Harrison Ford wasn't sure he could be bothered doing another - it meant a lot of screentime was taken up at the start of RotJ getting him back, which dragged and wasn't really any relation to the main plot, only really serving to demonstrate Luke's character progression in the intervening years and show us how rubbish Boba Fett actually is.

On a similar note, A New Hope gives absolutely nothing for the sequel other than Luke becoming a jedi, and Vader still being alive as an antagonist. It didn't end with Luke landing on Dagobah looking for the "great Master Yoda", didn't have him loudly pondering his parentage, didn't leave people wondering about the mysterious powerful emperor. Which I don't really think negatively affected Empire very much.

SuperiorXI said:
Bit off topic but isn't Snoke a shit name for a baddie? Sounds like an off-brand tampon.
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This is true, another reason why he's not Plagueis - you'd never choose to be called Snoke.
 
cyberman said:
I always thought the Star Wars universe had no depth at all, if someone tried to expand it now they would be basically creating another science fiction franchise from scratch.
Imagine a director being under pressure to develop a script for Biffs bully friend number 2 from Back To The Future?
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Well, it has just 9 movies, 2 TV shows, a dozen video games, circa 300 novels and a lot of comics. If that is no depth at all, I wonder what could be depth.
 
I loved it. It really felt like an Space Opera to me, and had an epic feel that Star Wars should have. It was a different story with tons of moving parts and I think it worked for the most part.

Some short thoughts:

Pros

- More Poe... Poe is good
- The character building for the new characters was all really good in general in fact. Finn, Ray and Poe all had clear arks and I enjoyed them all
- The fact that I actually cared when Finn and Rey reunited
- Mark Hamill was genuinely very very good in this film.
- I really liked what Adam Driver was doing too
- The story was different and went places I didn't expect
- Great cinematography... Some of the shots in this film are absolutely stunning

Cons

- It probably is too long... Especially for non- Star Wars fans I'd imagine
- I'm still not sure if I like or dislike Gleeson's performance, I'm leaning towards the latter
- I didn't mind the comedy at all, but it didn't land as well for me as it did in TFA
- Still not sure why that Rebel lady couldn't tell Poe what the plan was in the first place...
- No epic lightsaber battle to rival the one at the end of TFA ( which, I don't care what anyone says, is feckin fantastic)

But yeah, overall, I loved it and it would be in my top 5 for 2017.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
I loved it. It really felt like an Space Opera to me, and had an epic feel that Star Wars should have. It was a different story with tons of moving parts and I think it worked for the most part.

Some short thoughts:

Pros

- More Poe... Poe is good
- The character building for the new characters was all really good in general in fact. Finn, Ray and Poe all had clear arks and I enjoyed them all
- The fact that I actually cared when Finn and Rey reunited
- Mark Hamill was genuinely very very good in this film.
- I really liked what Adam Driver was doing too
- The story was different and went places I didn't expect
- Great cinematography... Some of the shots in this film are absolutely stunning

Cons

- It probably is too long... Especially for non- Star Wars fans I'd imagine
- I'm still not sure if I like or dislike Gleeson's performance, I'm leaning towards the latter
- I didn't mind the comedy at all, but it didn't land as well for me as it did in TFA
- Still not sure why that Rebel lady couldn't tell Poe what the plan was in the first place...
- No epic lightsaber battle to rival the one at the end of TFA ( which, I don't care what anyone says, is feckin fantastic)

But yeah, overall, I loved it and it would be in my top 5 for 2017.
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All 100% agreed
I watched it last night. For me it's the best start wars film since... Maybe empire strikes back
 
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