Film Star Wars: Episode VIII

The last movie was so overrated, basically the same as New Hope. Fell asleep watching it, such a blatant cash-grab.

Now, even the positive reviews are saying that the new movie is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So easy to just pilfer the script and remake the same shite I suppose, because the fanbase will accept anything Star Wars.

And Kylo Ren was so, so bad in the previous movie. Literally no purpose behind him wearing a mask other than to make him look like Vader. And that teensy angst in smashing the controls with his lightsaber was cringe. The reviews say he has done well in the Last Jedi, not sure how.
 
Kapardin said:
The last movie was so overrated, basically the same as New Hope. Fell asleep watching it, such a blatant cash-grab.

Now, even the positive reviews are saying that the new movie is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So easy to just pilfer the script and remake the same shite I suppose, because the fanbase will accept anything Star Wars.

And Kylo Ren was so, so bad in the previous movie. Literally no purpose behind him wearing a mask other than to make him look like Vader. And that teensy angst in smashing the controls with his lightsaber was cringe. The reviews say he has done well in the Last Jedi, not sure how.
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Well yeah that is kinda the point because he idolizes him so much he wants to be him, there is a scene in the film of him talking to Vaders mask to me that's the purpose.

Don't agree with the top line either. Every big movie is put together to make cash, I never got a cynical view if they did this just to make money and forget the content. JJ wanted to make a good Star Wars film and did.
 
Rooney1987 said:
Well yeah that is kinda the point because he idolizes him so much he wants to be him, there is a scene in the film of him talking to Vaders mask to me that's the purpose.
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Well, considering Vader destroyed the Sith Empire and killed Palpatine, and thus saved the Republic, I don't think he is doing a good job of idolizing Vader.

JJ wanted to make a good Star Wars film and did.
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Is this a joke? TFA is nothing more than a poor rehash of A New Hope. Same setting, same plot lines, same character roles, but none of the things that actually made A New Hope a great movie.

The new Star Wars movies (if we judge by the spoilers), may in fact be worse than the prequels. At least George tried to do something original and unique even if he failed to present it in a good way. The new Star Wars movies are a souless cash grab containing absolutely nothing of what made Star Wars great except the lightsabers, I guess.
 
Dumat12 said:
Well, considering Vader destroyed the Sith Empire and killed Palpatine, and thus saved the Republic, I don't think he is doing a good job of idolizing Vader.
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How can you not do a good job idolizing someone?
 
Kapardin said:
The last movie was so overrated, basically the same as New Hope. Fell asleep watching it, such a blatant cash-grab.

Now, even the positive reviews are saying that the new movie is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So easy to just pilfer the script and remake the same shite I suppose, because the fanbase will accept anything Star Wars.

And Kylo Ren was so, so bad in the previous movie. Literally no purpose behind him wearing a mask other than to make him look like Vader. And that teensy angst in smashing the controls with his lightsaber was cringe. The reviews say he has done well in the Last Jedi, not sure how.
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I dont think you should go see this movie
 
Dumat12 said:
Well, considering Vader destroyed the Sith Empire and killed Palpatine, and thus saved the Republic, I don't think he is doing a good job of idolizing Vader.


Is this a joke? TFA is nothing more than a poor rehash of A New Hope. Same setting, same plot lines, same character roles, but none of the things that actually made A New Hope a great movie.

The new Star Wars movies (if we judge by the spoilers), may in fact be worse than the prequels. At least George tried to do something original and unique even if he failed to present it in a good way. The new Star Wars movies are a souless cash grab containing absolutely nothing of what made Star Wars great except the lightsabers, I guess.
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My guess is that probably isn't public knowledge. Only Luke would know and why would the first order believe him?
 
The original itself was hardly original. He wanted to ape Hidden Fortress so much he tried to cast Mifune in a lead role.
 
NM said:
My guess is that probably isn't public knowledge. Only Luke would know and why would the first order believe him?
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Or even if it is public knowledge, everyone might just think he killed the Emperor because killing their masters is what evil jedis tend to do. Wouldn't neccessarily mean he turned good.
 
Ubik said:
The original itself was hardly original. He wanted to ape Hidden Fortress so much he tried to cast Mifune in a lead role.
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There is some loose inspiration but it is very different to Hidden Fortress. I watched Kurosawa's movie just to see the similarities but really bar some inspiration there isn't much.

On the other side, The Force Awakens is a New Hope, subject of changes with respect to names.
 
Dumat12 said:
Well, considering Vader destroyed the Sith Empire and killed Palpatine, and thus saved the Republic, I don't think he is doing a good job of idolizing Vader.


Is this a joke? TFA is nothing more than a poor rehash of A New Hope. Same setting, same plot lines, same character roles, but none of the things that actually made A New Hope a great movie.

The new Star Wars movies (if we judge by the spoilers), may in fact be worse than the prequels. At least George tried to do something original and unique even if he failed to present it in a good way. The new Star Wars movies are a souless cash grab containing absolutely nothing of what made Star Wars great except the lightsabers, I guess.
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Well couple of guys above explained, made the point no one outside of Luke knows or believes him. The way he looks up to Vader he obviously doesn't know or care. The point he wants to be him.

A joke? plenty of people liked it mate. I'll repeat it's a good Star Wars movie. It follows similar beats but its a new plot with new characters. It's not perfect, plenty of faults but it was a good time at the cinema. Why are you even looking up spoilers for a sequel to a film you hate. Sound like you should stop watching the new Star Wars films.
 
sullydnl said:
Or even if it is public knowledge, everyone might just think he killed the Emperor because killing their masters is what evil jedis tend to do. Wouldn't neccessarily mean he turned good.
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Everyone knows that Luke and Leia are Vader's children, but yep, only Luke knows that Vader got redeemed in the end. There is actually a book on the new Canon that explains the situation, and if I remember correctly, Leia does not fully trust Luke on Vadrr's redemption and thinks that it is more a product of his mind.

Leo's political career basically got destroyed when her parantage got public, and then she left the New Republic and created The Resistance. I think that takes place a decade or two before the events of the movies.
 
Revan said:
There is some loose inspiration but it is very different to Hidden Fortress. I watched Kurosawa's movie just to see the similarities but really bar some inspiration there isn't much.

On the other side, The Force Awakens is a New Hope, subject of changes with respect to names.
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There's a load more than "some inspiration", the characters are transplanted straight over, with the viewpoint being based around a couple of side characters. A secret hideout, and it being found, is a key component of the story. A major plotpoint is the general charging into an enemy stronghold and fighting the main opponent. You can go on.

But you're right, it's not as direct a rip as, say, Fistful of Dollars was of Yojimbo. He also took the space opera setting and feel from Flash Gordon (which is what he originally wanted to make), complete with opening crawl, and gave Luke a straightforward heroic arc right from Hero With a Thousand Faces. The original screenplay was far more of a copy though, with additional classic awful Lucas dialogue and cringe love scenes.
 
Revan said:
Everyone knows that Luke and Leia are Vader's children, but yep, only Luke knows that Vader got redeemed in the end. There is actually a book on the new Canon that explains the situation, and if I remember correctly, Leia does not fully trust Luke on Vadrr's redemption and thinks that it is more a product of his mind.

Leo's political career basically got destroyed when her parantage got public, and then she left the New Republic and created The Resistance. I think that takes place a decade or two before the events of the movies.
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It explains in the aftermath books, Leia creating the resistance as a response to the new republic or Mon Mothma not agreeing to send troops to free kashyyyk and yes her parentage also didn't help. .
 
GBBQ said:
85 on metacritic after 49 reviews, 46 of the reviewers are positive, 3 mixed. Quite a few giving it full marks (and not just IGN or Empire who hand those out by default to major blockbusters)

Had said previously that Johnson being given his own trilogy was a sure fire sign that Disney was happy with the final product. Now to avoid spoilers until i get to see it!
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. I'm going late on sunday so i just need to hang on till then, well working until sunday morning will help.
 
Mr Smith said:
No, and there's plenty to like/love in TFA. There's just a sensationalist culture that means you're only supposed to 100% love or 100% hate something these days apparently.
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I loved the TFA and I like the new characters so you are not alone and and I'm a star wars fan with a collection out of control.
 
I enjoyed it but there are some really bad parts, like Space Mary Poppins Leia, the whole casino part and so much bad snarky humor.
 
cyberman said:
Im getting a bit worried about this. Theres a few reviews on Youtube from critics I trust complaining about it being an Empire remake.
I'm also getting the feeling that the Star Wars fans on that list are convincing themselves to like it.
A lot are saying they had problems with the first viewing but enjoyed it more on the second. That tells me they didn't like where the story went but could see past it second time around.
How many time am I meant to see this thing?
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Unsubscribe from those reviewers and stay away from any of their future star wars videos. There are legitimate criticisms you can make of this movie, but the only way you say it was an Empire rehash is if you have an agenda.

Personally, I will need another viewing to be totally sure of how I feel about it. There were some things I loved, and some things I didn't. However, I will continue to praise Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver as the beating heart of these movies. Their characters and performances are for me the best thing about this new trilogy.
 
I really enjoyed that. There was one (or two) WTF moments. But overall, I wasnt bored at all through the movie. 2 and a half hours flew by. Without giving much spoilers, (but will discuss later cos I wanna sleep soon), this had pretty much things I was expecting from a Star Wars movie and was just fun.

Whole Cinema was laughing when Luke did the brush the shoulder thing...
 
That was something else, something very different. Some echos of previous movies, but which franchises don't do that, but it was so enjoyable and I will admit that one or two tears were shed for Fisher's last scenes, and credits.
 
Kapardin said:
The last movie was so overrated, basically the same as New Hope. Fell asleep watching it, such a blatant cash-grab.

Now, even the positive reviews are saying that the new movie is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So easy to just pilfer the script and remake the same shite I suppose, because the fanbase will accept anything Star Wars.

And Kylo Ren was so, so bad in the previous movie. Literally no purpose behind him wearing a mask other than to make him look like Vader. And that teensy angst in smashing the controls with his lightsaber was cringe. The reviews say he has done well in the Last Jedi, not sure how.
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They address all of that in the latest movie.
 
Literally just walked into a 4K 1am Vue showing.....bit odd, no one was around and I was purposely late to miss trailers and all that. I would assume people could do the same with all their opening morning hourly viewings after the midnight ones, because no one was around at the end of it either....

It's a bit bonkers, quite insanely so at times which I didn't expect with Johnson at the helm regardless of it being a Star Wars film.....it'll deservedly get shredded apart, but it's half fun too, and Hamills pretty epic in it.
 
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Kapardin said:
The last movie was so overrated, basically the same as New Hope. Fell asleep watching it, such a blatant cash-grab.

Now, even the positive reviews are saying that the new movie is a mix of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. So easy to just pilfer the script and remake the same shite I suppose, because the fanbase will accept anything Star Wars.

And Kylo Ren was so, so bad in the previous movie. Literally no purpose behind him wearing a mask other than to make him look like Vader. And that teensy angst in smashing the controls with his lightsaber was cringe. The reviews say he has done well in the Last Jedi, not sure how.
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Silly post. There's nothing worse than taking someone's else's completely uninformed opinion and using it to justify your own argument. As someone who HAS seen the film, I can tell you that while it has a couple of narrative beats similar to Empire and Jedi, it is in no way a rehash, and anyone who says it is has an agenda.

If you feel The Force Awakens was too similar to A New Hope, thats a valid opinion, though personally I think its a lazy criticism. Superficially it has very similar plot points, but in terms of its deeper narrative beats (Rey's denial, Han's reluctance, Kylo's conflict), its actually heading in quite a different direction. But thats your opinion, so fine. But to use your dislike of the previous movie to throw shade on a movie you haven't even seen yet, based on a few misinformed reviews, is the height of idiocy.

As a footnote, you seem to have missed the point with Kylo completely. The fact that he wears the mask to look like Vader is the point; he has this incredible legacy that he's struggling to live up to, and therefore hides behind the spectre of Vader so the world won't see that he's actually far more vulnerable. If you don't find that compelling in a villain, then again thats your opinion, and there's not much I can do to help you.

Come here to bitch about a franchise you've already made your mind up about if you must, I suppose that's what the internet is for in the end. But don't use that hate to criticise a movie you haven't even seen.
 
Opinion seems really polarised. Some saying it's the best one ever, some saying it's a confusing mess. At least it sounds like they tried something new.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Opinion seems really polarised. Some saying it's the best one ever, some saying it's a confusing mess. At least it sounds like they tried something new.
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I can see why it's splitting opinion, it simply wasn't a traditional Star Wars film. There is a different feel to it completely and as I said earlier when I got home from watching it, it's got echos of some of the previous films, but that's it an echo.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Opinion seems really polarised. Some saying it's the best one ever, some saying it's a confusing mess. At least it sounds like they tried something new.
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Strange that people are confused by it. Its fair simple story telling to follow imo. I think one of the things they do is not go the predictable straight line where you expect them to.
 
I’m getting very excited from the comments above.

And just to provide balance to the arguments above - I thought TFA was superb. A perfect big-screen blockbuster driven by the performances of its four leads (Ridley, Driver, Boyega, Ford). Saw it twice in the cinema when it came out but yet to see it since. Seeing Jedi on Saturday and fully expecting it to be just as fun a watch.

Was less keen on Rogue One for a similar reason - I thought the story was fine but the characters were painfully dull, with nothing in the performances (save Ben Mendelhson) to draw you in.
 
I only saw TFA once. I thought it was pretty bland tbh. After the also-bland Rogue One I'm not sure whether I can be assed with this. I'll probably see it, but if this doesn't do it for me then that'll probably be that for me.
 
Mr Smith said:
Silly post. There's nothing worse than taking someone's else's completely uninformed opinion and using it to justify your own argument. As someone who HAS seen the film, I can tell you that while it has a couple of narrative beats similar to Empire and Jedi, it is in no way a rehash, and anyone who says it is has an agenda.

If you feel The Force Awakens was too similar to A New Hope, thats a valid opinion, though personally I think its a lazy criticism. Superficially it has very similar plot points, but in terms of its deeper narrative beats (Rey's denial, Han's reluctance, Kylo's conflict), its actually heading in quite a different direction. But thats your opinion, so fine. But to use your dislike of the previous movie to throw shade on a movie you haven't even seen yet, based on a few misinformed reviews, is the height of idiocy.
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I am sorry. But if I go to a movie, and I see it as being virtually identical to New Hope with just the "deeper narrative beats" being different, I still class it as a copy, because it is basically identical bar your interpretations of "narrative beats". Simplistic definition of a copy is something that rehashes the same events, even if it is to explain them in a different way later.

Never criticised the Last Jedi btw, only quoted some reviews who mentioned that it bore similarities to previous movies as well. I gave no opinion on it, but naturally my expectations are tempered by the cash-grab that the first flick was.

As a footnote, you seem to have missed the point with Kylo completely. The fact that he wears the mask to look like Vader is the point; he has this incredible legacy that he's struggling to live up to, and therefore hides behind the spectre of Vader so the world won't see that he's actually far more vulnerable. If you don't find that compelling in a villain, then again thats your opinion, and there's not much I can do to help you.
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Its' my opinion that it is rather a shallow excuse just to have him dress up in a mask. I will see the new movie for sure, to see if they impart some depth to this character, but as far as the first movie is concered, it sounds and looks like shabby cosplay to me.

Come here to bitch about a franchise you've already made your mind up about if you must, I suppose that's what the internet is for in the end. But don't use that hate to criticise a movie you haven't even seen.
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Never criticised Last Jedi except to remark on what some critics have already written. I already said the reviews were positive.
 
Saw it last night and feel a bit like Kylo Ren - conflicted! I loved The Force Awakens, thought it returned to proper Star Wars perfectly and set the stage so well for the new heroes and villains. Yet, everything that I wanted to see happen in The Last Jedi either didn't, or completely went out the window. But that's not necessarily a criticism, the weird turn of events had me intrigued and there were some brilliant moments.

Still feels somewhat surreal at this moment. Going to have to go see it again next week. :)
 
Who releases a film on a Thursday? Don't they realise you have to wait almost an entire week for 2 for 1 movie tickets to kick in? Bastards
 
Zarlak said:
I just read the IGN spoiler free review and thought 'not bad' then instinctively scrolled down to the comment section. Never alt + f4'd faster in my life.
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I don't even have an excuse like doing it accidentally. Last night I found myself on r/starwarsleaks, just seeing how many thread titles I could read before something got spoiled. I'm just an idiot, I think.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I only saw TFA once. I thought it was pretty bland tbh. After the also-bland Rogue One I'm not sure whether I can be assed with this. I'll probably see it, but if this doesn't do it for me then that'll probably be that for me.
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Yeah, I don't recommend this, it's less boring than TFA but about as equally bland
 
Some very bizarre moments, a fair few laughs and cheers from the whole cinema, some cheese, but a pretty fun film all in all. Switching your brain off and just enjoying it for what it is works a real treat. Maybe like a 7.5/10 or so I'd say.
 
Rey is a Mary Sue. Snoke doesn't have a backstory. Humour kills tension. Jedi actions contradict original trilogy. Skywalker character inconsistent with OT. Akbar should have sacrificed his life with hyperdrive into Snoke's ship, not Holdo. Star Wars fans won't like this movie. Read IMdb reviews and you'll get that. Casual action fans will like it. Technical movie fans will pick apart logical inconsistencies.
 
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