Stam > Vidic as I'm sure I've said previously a couple of times in this thread.
Stam V Vidic
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Time to revisit this one? They've spent very similar amounts of time at the club at this point, and Vidic has taken his game to another level this season.
Imo he's emphatically shattered the argument that he's Rio's goon. He's a wonderful leader in his own right, as good as Rio. Looking at the job he does at marshalling the rest of the team at set pieces at both ends of the ptich, possibly even better.
This season has cemented this in my mind, and now that he's actually improved whilst leading a defence that's been missing Rio, Evra and a recognised first choice right back, I think he's proven himself to be superior to Stam.
Imo he's emphatically shattered the argument that he's Rio's goon. He's a wonderful leader in his own right, as good as Rio. Looking at the job he does at marshalling the rest of the team at set pieces at both ends of the ptich, possibly even better.
This season has cemented this in my mind, and now that he's actually improved whilst leading a defence that's been missing Rio, Evra and a recognised first choice right back, I think he's proven himself to be superior to Stam.
Now, I would say...Vidic > Stam.
He has really been consistantly great. Fantastic signing, long may his form continue!
He has really been consistantly great. Fantastic signing, long may his form continue!
Still think Stam was in a league of his own but Vidic is getting better by the game so we'll see...
Stam was quicker, stronger (surprise to the young 'uns here), but I don't agree that he was a better ball player - Vidic lacked confidence to begin with but he controls quickly and passes consistently well now, but, as someone said, one thinks of Stam's whole career, whereas Vidic still has a lot in front of him, I sincerely hope. Ask again in 5 or 6 years.
Well bumped!
Both icons, massive fan favourites, superb comparison!
Having been a season ticket holder through both their tenures, I'd have to say Vidic is the one, him and Rio is the best partnership I've seen and I include Bruce and Pallister in that, they've got the lot!
When Jaap went, one of the worst things about it, despite his slapped arse face at the Lazio press conference, was the fact we couldn't sing Yip Jaap Stam anymore, it was a nightmare. The Nemanja Serbia chant makes up for it though!
Nemanja Vidic - the winner.
Both icons, massive fan favourites, superb comparison!
Having been a season ticket holder through both their tenures, I'd have to say Vidic is the one, him and Rio is the best partnership I've seen and I include Bruce and Pallister in that, they've got the lot!
When Jaap went, one of the worst things about it, despite his slapped arse face at the Lazio press conference, was the fact we couldn't sing Yip Jaap Stam anymore, it was a nightmare. The Nemanja Serbia chant makes up for it though!
Nemanja Vidic - the winner.
I'd honestly say Vidic now, just about.
Well we're comparing Vidic's actual form with Stam's career form which did have its ups and downs. A fair comparison will be when Vidic too retires.
But if we were to compare I'd say they both have had a big impact for us. Stam did play a great part in the Treble of 1999 as Vidic did in the Double of 2008. They both were the same age when we won these two, so if we were to compare them at that stage there isn't much difference between them.
My personal favorite would be Stam but it's also hard to overlook Nemanja's immense performances so I am going to settle for a draw between the two.
But if we were to compare I'd say they both have had a big impact for us. Stam did play a great part in the Treble of 1999 as Vidic did in the Double of 2008. They both were the same age when we won these two, so if we were to compare them at that stage there isn't much difference between them.
My personal favorite would be Stam but it's also hard to overlook Nemanja's immense performances so I am going to settle for a draw between the two.
not much between them for me, Vidic has shown this season how vital a player he is to our side in Rio's absence. We've had consecutive clean sheets in the last 9 games in the league despite Rio's absence and that has been largely down to immense performances from Vidic, these clean sheets are especially important when you consider we haven't been especially prolific lately either with quite a few 1-0's, one of which was Sunderland at home where Vidic himself won the game for us. That's one aspect of his game that's a great bonus, his goals and the threat he poses to the opposition's goal. If Rio were playing like Vidic has been this season with the Serbian out for a while, we'd be rightly singing his praises, it should be no different now, Vidic should be lauded as the best CB in the league/world atm. it's interesting to note that Rio wasn't considered the best CB in the world before Vidic's arrival, yet Vidic has shown that even without Rio, he's good enough to lead the back line and keep the back door shut. what's more, he's still got quite a few years to play at the highest level.
Stam was a incredible physical specimen. As some have said here, he is undoubtedly quicker and stronger than Vidic. He wasn't as intense and aggressive as Vidic, but probably because he didn't need to be as he's already so physically imposing.
However, I feel that part of Vidic's success now is in that he reads that game a bit better. His aggression in going for headers also means that Vidic is more of an offensive threat. Stam for all his heading ability rarely threatened in the opposition penalty area. All in all, I'd say their both about even.
However, I feel that part of Vidic's success now is in that he reads that game a bit better. His aggression in going for headers also means that Vidic is more of an offensive threat. Stam for all his heading ability rarely threatened in the opposition penalty area. All in all, I'd say their both about even.
Well said. Stam was a monster of a defender, and his only weakness albeit a very minute one, was that when it comes to attacking headers, he is not as domineering or gutsy, as compared to Vidic. That is probably why Vidic scores a lot more, as compared to Stam.
Not since Pally and Brucie have I felt so confident at the back
Rio + Vidic is the best in the world
Stam was a monster for us
But Vidic w/out Rio is still extraordinary
This season, Nemanja has been our best player
My vote has to fall for Vidic, by a hair over Stam - for his goals
Rio + Vidic is the best in the world
Stam was a monster for us
But Vidic w/out Rio is still extraordinary
This season, Nemanja has been our best player
My vote has to fall for Vidic, by a hair over Stam - for his goals
Yip Yap Staam Is a big Dutch man
Catch him if you fecking can
If you get past him, he'll nick your dick
Yip Yap, Yap Stam
Vidic a little behind but is also still developing. There's not much in it.
Catch him if you fecking can
If you get past him, he'll nick your dick
Yip Yap, Yap Stam
Vidic a little behind but is also still developing. There's not much in it.
With the number of goals and clean sheets he produced, Vidic is about to embark on his own greatness at this club. I've lost count on how many times he won us games either at the back or upfront, or both.
His attacking threat is the one thing Vidic hold his upper hand on Stam. Stam's only goal for us came when we were leading 5-2 against Leicester back in 99. Vidic already scored 10 and some of them are match-winning goals.
Would it be coincidental during Vidic's most impressive period that we had ourselves the best goal against in the our premier league history last season, broke club record for longest streak of clean sheets, and matching the tournament record of 19 unbeaten run in Champions League?
His attacking threat is the one thing Vidic hold his upper hand on Stam. Stam's only goal for us came when we were leading 5-2 against Leicester back in 99. Vidic already scored 10 and some of them are match-winning goals.
Would it be coincidental during Vidic's most impressive period that we had ourselves the best goal against in the our premier league history last season, broke club record for longest streak of clean sheets, and matching the tournament record of 19 unbeaten run in Champions League?
Rare that a player can do such a thing surely Vidic is one of the best in the game today, for all the shit that Big Man gets in that year he won the PFA Player of the Year he was very much the same, big goals, and strong at the back like Vidic; Let's hope the luck carries on and Vidic wins it this year and United the league and more
Viva la Vida
Stam had a great partner. Ronny Johnsen was a magnificant player, very underrated. His only problem was injuries.
Stam appeared to be faster than Vidic, but the game is a lot faster now. Vidic reads the game better. Both brilliant defenders - a draw and I'm glad we have had both at the club.
Stam appeared to be faster than Vidic, but the game is a lot faster now. Vidic reads the game better. Both brilliant defenders - a draw and I'm glad we have had both at the club.
Imagine Stam and Vidic as a pairing.
I always thought that Stam was better. But after Vidic's last couple of performances in Rio's absence, I'm not so sure.
The partner argument is useless now. It might even work in Vidic's favor.
The strength argument is just as useless. You can't really handle a powerhouse like Drogba any better than that.
It could be argued that Vidic struggles a bit against pace and that our current tactics give our CBs more protection, but hes got goals and leadership qualities on his side. He even seems more focused than Stam to me.
That said, Stam was a childhood hero, so I'm calling it a draw.
The partner argument is useless now. It might even work in Vidic's favor.
The strength argument is just as useless. You can't really handle a powerhouse like Drogba any better than that.
It could be argued that Vidic struggles a bit against pace and that our current tactics give our CBs more protection, but hes got goals and leadership qualities on his side. He even seems more focused than Stam to me.
That said, Stam was a childhood hero, so I'm calling it a draw.
Stam was a monster ...
But I think Vidic is a smarter defender ... better on set pieces too ... (see that Chelsea setup on the set piece the other night for Berba?)
But I think Vidic is a smarter defender ... better on set pieces too ... (see that Chelsea setup on the set piece the other night for Berba?)
Nicked this from the other thread:
Fergie on Vidic's performance
Fergie on Vidic's performance
Vidic vs Stam
I'd go for Vidic... he will be remembered as a legend someday...
Sentiments does play a part in this debate I think.
Football supporters tend to reminiscent about the good ol' days (Though in this case Stam was here merely 10 years ago, not so old in the grand scheme of things). So there is a tendency to rate Stam higher than Vidic now, as Stam does not play anymore so his current match by match performances would not be scrutinized so heavily by all.
Nevertheless, I think physically Stam was much superior than Vidic. His built was so intimidating that players from the opposition tend to develop a sense of fear when they played him.
But Vidic is more aggresive than Stam, especially in the air where he is a threat offensively, which Stam never was.
Positionally wise both are good in tactical positioning although both also tend to struggle against small, pacy forwards from time to time.
Football supporters tend to reminiscent about the good ol' days (Though in this case Stam was here merely 10 years ago, not so old in the grand scheme of things). So there is a tendency to rate Stam higher than Vidic now, as Stam does not play anymore so his current match by match performances would not be scrutinized so heavily by all.
Nevertheless, I think physically Stam was much superior than Vidic. His built was so intimidating that players from the opposition tend to develop a sense of fear when they played him.
But Vidic is more aggresive than Stam, especially in the air where he is a threat offensively, which Stam never was.
Positionally wise both are good in tactical positioning although both also tend to struggle against small, pacy forwards from time to time.
No mather with whom he plays, our defence looks very solid. Fergie can throw in rookies like Rafael and Evans, plus O'Shea, and thanks to Vidic we wouldnt concede
Stam was a complete centre-back - the strength and power of Vidic but with more pace and better distribution. At his peak he was vastly better than Vidic and probably the finest centre-back I've ever seen at United.
EDIT: And I hope you're not the Cheltenham Red that used to put that St George's cross flag over the Stretford End banners.
I think Vidic could surpass Stam in the next few years.
All of a sudden, this has become a ridiculously hard decision and the fact that it is such a difficult choice is a credit to Vidic.
I genuinely don't know.
I genuinely don't know.
When I look at the latest game, Vidic was great, he has taken himself up to the same level as Stam, and I recon tha he will go past him in the comming seasons. Shame that Stam had to go though, fantastic player, would have been great to see him play along Rio. Not that I underestimate Vidic, because the Pair of him and Rio are fantastic. Just a thought though.
You guys should watch Spain vs Serbia in the WC06 qualifying. Vidic was a fecking beast. Destroyed their whole attack and im not talking about Zaki and Heskey. Torres, Raul, Joaquin, Vicente etc. We should have been 3/4 -0 down at half time but for him. Immense display.
Stam was a complete centre-back - the strength and power of Vidic but with more pace and better distribution. At his peak he was vastly better than Vidic and probably the finest centre-back I've ever seen at United.
EDIT: And I hope you're not the Cheltenham Red that used to put that St George's cross flag over the Stretford End banners.
How can you say that? What was Stam doing then that Vidic is not doing now?
i think people over rate stam but that is only my opinion. he was good, but not the best thing ever like some people seem to think.
vidic is far superior IMO and i dont think that will ever change.
vidic is far superior IMO and i dont think that will ever change.
The opposition would be running towards their own goal instead of coming towards ours
Great post.
Just wondering, has any of the opinions changed after a great season from Vida?
still stam for me.
its hard to judge tho cos stam was very much our best defender by a mile. vidic has more top quality next to him than stam ever had, no criticism meant of johnson.
stam was like a one man wall but vidic may have been like that if he'd been in the same team.
stam, to me, was a million times harder than vidic. i remember seeing stam get stitches by the side of the pitch and just stood there like a terminator. as brave as vida is, i think he gets hurt by stuff more than the caf make out.
its hard to judge tho cos stam was very much our best defender by a mile. vidic has more top quality next to him than stam ever had, no criticism meant of johnson.
stam was like a one man wall but vidic may have been like that if he'd been in the same team.
stam, to me, was a million times harder than vidic. i remember seeing stam get stitches by the side of the pitch and just stood there like a terminator. as brave as vida is, i think he gets hurt by stuff more than the caf make out.
Stam was a complete centre-back - the strength and power of Vidic but with more pace and better distribution. At his peak he was vastly better than Vidic and probably the finest centre-back I've ever seen at United.
EDIT: And I hope you're not the Cheltenham Red that used to put that St George's cross flag over the Stretford End banners.
i think stam was probably stronger, in terms of strength and power, than vidic. he was better on the ground too. vidics only weakness is that he can be turned by a fast striker and can allow himself to be flustered. stam was much quicker and, if anyone did get passed him, he didnt need to give away a foul to stop the striker - something that vidic does.
thats not to say vidic isnt an immense defender, mind. he's certainly more of a goal threat too. i also think he's braver than stam was, considering i dont reckon he's as robotesque as jaap.
if i had to play the last ten mins of a european cup final with only one centre back though, it would be stam everytime.
Still Stam for me. Not by much though.
Stam was the best center back I've ever seen live...This could be nostaglia possibly, but I don't think it's been long enough for that personally...
The more I think about it, the more Jaap Stam would get straight into any fantasy XI I concocted...
The more I think about it, the more Jaap Stam would get straight into any fantasy XI I concocted...
As good as Johnsen was, just imagine if Stam had the luxury of having a player of Ferdinand's ability next to him majority of the season. Like say Blanc had signed on a few years earlier or SAF had managed to sign Thuram.