Henry surely has.A key role in a treble winning side plus many other trophies.
He wouldn't have been close to winning a title if he stayed at Arsenal
Squillaci to the Arsenal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Henry surely has.A key role in a treble winning side plus many other trophies.
He wouldn't have been close to winning a title if he stayed at Arsenal
I meant in terms of performance not trophies. Vieira picked up some scudettos too, but both were past their best.
Yes you're right.Henry wasn't finished like Viera however, he was still good 2 years ago
They were world class players though. They don't need to be at their best - or anything like it - to play a really important role in bringing in silverware. It's just a shame for you gooners that they continued to bring home the bacon abroad, rather than at the club where they peaked as footballers.
Ho hum. Like you said, Wenger's hand was forced by the need to raise funds.
Henry wanted to go after his marriage broke up - he wasn't half the player for Barca. Vieira couldn't really hack in in the PL any longer, why he's back at Man City is a complete mystery to me. Vieira and Emerson came to Highbury in 2006 with Juve and were run off their feet after 60 mins. Po' Pat crawled off the pitch.
I remember that match perfectly.Fabregas was outstanding
Vieira was out tackled by Pires to set up a goal - the shame....
Obviously, given his age (just turned 33), he was never going to get a 4 year contract at any club. But Arsenal obviously thought he had something to offer for the next two years at least, or else they would not have offered him a further 2 year contract.
By the same token, Spurs obviously think he has something to offer, or else they would not have given him a 1 year contract, with the potential option for another year on top.
He may (or may not) be past his best, but so what? His best is/was pretty good, and for a cover CB with vast CL and Prem experience, signed on a free and motivated to prove a point, it's a good deal for Spurs.
At the end of the day, Spurs have a CB that Arsenal wanted to keep ... on that basis I don't see how any Arsenal fan can credibly try to twist things in the ways evident in this thread.
We made him an offer last May we refused to repeat it last week. Ie we don't want him any more - which is why he signed for you.
Is Glaston celebrating the "We signed a former Arsenal defender who may or may not have been wanted by Arsenal" trophy?
No, I'm pleased he's signed for Spurs because we needed additional CB cover and Gallas fits the bill very well.
Beyond that I'm simply pointing out that he obviously was wanted by Arsenal - it's a total non-starter to say he "may or may not" have been wanted.
As I've said, it's easy to withdraw an offer that's been rejected ... especially when the rejection had already forced Arsenal to move on, sign a replacement CB and enter into discussions for a further CB.
Anyhow, you claim to be happy with events, and I'm certainly pleased to see Gallas sign for Spurs, so on the basis that we're both happy I suggest we leave it there and let the thread revert to discussing Squillaci.
How many times does it have to be pointed out that he was wanted in May (ie 3 months ago) and not wanted last week when he came knocking again?
He's way past his best.There is no uncertainty when it comes to that
Did he really deteriorate that much as a player in 3 months?
No, but we've got better options now.
You have other options now ... whether they'll prove to be better remains to be seen.
Whether that proves to be the case or not it's why we rejected Gallas last week.
Arsenal fans can't seem to cope with Spurs catching them up for quality. They are though.
You're joking. How far away from Spurs qualitywise do you think you are?
You've obviously been planning for a future without him since May. I'm sure those plans were too far gone to reverse when he changed his mind at the last minute.
This doesn't mean Wenger wanted to hold onto him though. You should really concede that point and be done with it.
I've conceded the point that he wanted him in fecking May. This is August and he could have signed him last week but he rejected the chance. Gallas = Arsenal reject.
They're catching us up too, I think. Signing a player of the calibre of Gallas shows that I think, regardless of all your witterings.
Arsenal and United are both still a fair bit ahead on the first XI. But I see Spurs' backup players as better than yours in some positions. A few long term injuries to your lads and you could be struggling for a CL place. As for us, I think we might struggle to win the league but the squad is very strong so equally can't see us being far away even if we have to battle with injuries as we had to last year.
Off the top of my head, Arshavin, Rosicky, and now Squillaci have all won domestic leagues, Arshavin won the UEFA Cup, I'm sure a smattering of their players won domestic cups.
Not that it matters, I just felt like being a smartypants.
feck you, cnuty-chops.
We're living in the internet age champ, there's basically no excuse for ever getting anything wrong ever.
That should probably be a full stop, not a comma.
Tbh whatever these players won is meaningless when it comes to the PL.
Glaston, how does this analysis jibe with your analysis of the spurs defense in football-forum threads about Tottenham's prospects for this season?
You know Socrates was executed for sophistry
I believe I mentioned in my Spurs for 4th thread that Spurs ideally needed another CB - and now we have one. So where's the sophistry?
He wasn't.
well, that's what Plato would have you believe, and Athenian legal categories were notoriously imprecise -- asebia was strongly associated with "making the weaker argument the stronger" -- but fair enough.
Glaston, you're safe. Just don't let me catch you being impious.
Asebia is more properly translated to impiety. That's still a notoriously vague concept, but sophistry it is not.
Gallas is like a virus. You're kind of glad you caught it so you can stay home playing FIFA all day instead of working, but after a while you really start feeling pretty feverish and on top of that, a cnut playing man city just beat you 5-0.
Sp*rs fans excited about signing an Arsenal reject....haven't heard that since David Bentley.
that's why I made that crack to Glaston about being impious.
And, yes, asebia was regarded -- by the radical democrats who voted to execute Socrates -- as one of the ill effects that often came from "sophists," the traveling teachers of rhetoric. That's precisely where Plato is coming from in the Apology when he has Socrates define the charge: "There is a clever man called Socrates who has theories about the heavens and has investigated everything below the earth, and can make the weaker argument defeat the stronger."
What I meant about "vague concepts" was not that impiety or sophistry are in some ontological sense hard to define. I meant specifically that Athenian law didn't define the crime of "asebia," the way modern legal systems would, so that asebia ended up being whatever the voting jury wanted to make of it -- and being a sophist was something they thought could easily entail impiety.
In any case: Jeez, can't a guy make a Socrates joke without someone jumping down his throat?
Not when it entails a comparison between Socrates and GlastonSpur!
Gallas isn't the player he was a few years ago that is for sure. If he was still the player he was a few years ago I'd bet there would of been a fair few more clubs going after him.
A good signing for Spurs but I think for more than just footballing reasons we needed him to leave. He wasn't the most liked player in the club and we needed a fresh start at the back, Vermaelen has come off a very solid first season so need to build our back line around him rather than Gallas who is coming to the end of his career and had become a disruptive influence at the club.
Yeah they've not done too well with Arsenal rejects. David Bentley, David Jenkins, Rohan Ricketts... Whereas we've had Jimmy Robertson, Pat Jennings and Sol Campbell off them.