I agree your 2nd half was better, much better with your pressing, much better when you had the ball, more intent etc, but you can't deny Liverpool deserved the win in the end. They dominated the match.
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I disagree as you would expect, a draw would have been fair and we had the chances to even win it. I'm very disappointed.
He never completely parked the bus like that at Chelsea (first spell), Inter (Barca away aside) or Madrid though. In the last 7-8 years he’s got much more negative. Outright cowardly at times.
They never had one on ones or 5 yard headers, as Spurs were so deep, but they had a lot of chances from cut backs from Robertson into Salah, Mane, Jones, which all could have been goals. They were getting through the lines with almost every attack it seemed at one point.
He parks the bus but against good sides it means they get slaughtered. It is very similar to Simone.
It is basically win every match one nil stuff.
Definitely. I can understand how disappointing it feels, as for all of Liverpool's dominance, you did have the chances to win it at 1-1. You can take a lot of positives from the 2nd half performance for sure.
They have Leicester and Wolves coming so there tough fixtures aren't done yet. Not winning the next 2 games will put them in another top 4 struggle like other teams.
To be fair their schedule is crazy. They have been facing :
City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Palace away
Liverpool away
Leicester
Wolves
It's actually a near miracle they're still second through this. This is just brutal.
To be fair their schedule is crazy. They have been facing :
City
Chelsea
Arsenal
Palace away
Liverpool away
Leicester
Wolves
It's actually a near miracle they're still second through this. This is just brutal.
Spurs let too many shots on their goal for my liking, were hanging on for long periods in the first half and were very lucky to be even at the break, so in that respect I agree this wasn't anything like a Jose masterclass where they've got a little bit unlucky. That said they were very good at the beginning of the second half and had the better chances, which they should have put away. Overall Spurs can reasonably feel aggrieved at having shaded XG at Anfield and got nothing, but they'd better realise that was not a great example of Jose's 'being comfortable on the back foot, surrendering the ball etc.' as they were hanging on for lengthy periods.
That style won’t win a title. You can’t just invite pressure for 90 minutes against a team like Liverpool. You’re asking to lose.
I thought everyone said December was going to be a telling month for Spurs. It's telling.
As you will be when Mourinho is sacked in the end and you sit there left with nothing. You speak as your chances would make the game 1-3, but you naively disregard the fact that Liverpool would have had 30 minutes to get back into it. 2-3 up was mentioned in another post, makes absolutely no sense, like a single player would be allowed outside the box if going up with even one.
It’s interesting to see how Mourinho once again gets fans on his side and they buy into his awful brand of football, it’s almost like a cult, or republicans defending Trump. Not your fault per se, it happened here and he’s a charismaric bloke when winning. Not today though, today he made a fool out of himself on TV.. the first of many meltdowns, before the inevitable happens.
Liverpool were much better and dominated this game, Tottenham had a few chances with their counter-attacks, but it almost looked like City - WBA yesterday. Spurs have a bus at the back and a Ferrari up top, unlike WBA. Not Bergwijn of course; he’s awful, I’m talking about the other two. Will be interesting to see how long it will take Kane to gesticulate and openly show how much he hates playing this embarrassing type of football. Or maybe he gets injured before January, it’s 50-50.
Thanks so much for your input.
Pretty sure most top managers are like that. Klopp is also likeable when he wins but they drop points and then he drops unbelievable stinkers in interviews.
Fully agree. That was some horrific football, particularly in the first half. Shades of some of the dark days when he was here parking two buses in every big match.
Childish retort. He made very good points.
Oh yeah he can be a bad loser when things go against his team, just look at the post match interview against Brighton for the most perfect illustration of that
Did he ? I mean he's telling a Spurs fan that his team will be left with nothing after Mourinho was sacked. Am I missing something, because even one of their best managers in history, Poch, left with nothing as well.
Seems when Mourhino takes Son off Spurs concede
Spurs are consistent***
2018-2019
It’s 1-1 at Anfield, Sissoko is clean through on goal... and he blazes the ball over the crossbar. Alderweireld scores an own goal in injury time to give Liverpool 2-1 win.
2019-2020
It’s the second half and Tottenham are winning 1-0. Son rounds the goalkeeper and has an open goal to put Tottenham 2-0 up and give Liverpool a mountain to climb against a well drilled Tottenham side... Son hits the crossbar and moments later Liverpool score to make it 1-1.
Salah converts a penalty in the 75th minute to secure all 3 points for Liverpool.
2020-2021
Despite it being a completely one-sided 1st half, Tottenham go into the break at 1-1. Tottenham then have a couple of good chances to go in front – even hitting the post.
Harry Kane then misses an absolute sitter from 5 yards out, the kind of headed chance that he would have put away 99 times out of 100.
Firminho scores an injury time goal to give Liverpool 2-1 win.
***Consistent bottle jobs (at Anfield anyway)
2018-2019
It’s 1-1 at Anfield, Sissoko is clean through on goal... and he blazes the ball over the crossbar. Alderweireld scores an own goal in injury time to give Liverpool 2-1 win.
2019-2020
It’s the second half and Tottenham are winning 1-0. Son rounds the goalkeeper and has an open goal to put Tottenham 2-0 up and give Liverpool a mountain to climb against a well drilled Tottenham side... Son hits the crossbar and moments later Liverpool score to make it 1-1.
Salah converts a penalty in the 75th minute to secure all 3 points for Liverpool.
2020-2021
Despite it being a completely one-sided 1st half, Tottenham go into the break at 1-1. Tottenham then have a couple of good chances to go in front – even hitting the post.
Harry Kane then misses an absolute sitter from 5 yards out, the kind of headed chance that he would have put away 99 times out of 100.
Firminho scores an injury time goal to give Liverpool 2-1 win.
***Consistent bottle jobs (at Anfield anyway)
Klopp has always been making a fool of himself in bad losses. He literally blamed the wind and grass previously for his team losing. He also complained about WBA playing out of their skin against him because they were relegated and shouldn't fight much against him. He literally said that.
Pep also had some stinkers. All top managers are well looking in the media as long as they're winning.
So about that corner defending... no one is defending the two far posts?
Yes.Did he ? I mean he's telling a Spurs fan that his team will be left with nothing after Mourinho was sacked. Am I missing something, because even one of their best managers in history, Poch, left with nothing as well.
Not really he didn't. Mourinho is a low risk hiring by Spurs all things considered. If they win even one Micky Mouse cup he's an immediate success and if he fails to win something and is sacked so what's new for them ? Even Poch won nothing after 5.5 years. Last trophy Spurs won was in 2008 and it was a League Cup.
This is getting hilarious, we departed tonight after losing to a team who has been beaten once at home in what 30 games at home? Jesus the desperation, we beat City, Lucky, we draw with Chelsea, we were negative, we beat Arsenal, we were negative, we lose to the champions and we LEFT TONIGHT. Honestly, the absolute state of some of you.
Bergwijn was pretty unforgivable in fairness.
And Kane should have buried that header.
Infact why am I making excuses? Same old spurs, bottling it when it counts.
And Kane should have buried that header.
Infact why am I making excuses? Same old spurs, bottling it when it counts.
Trouble with Mourinho's method in these games is that it turns on 3-4 big moments. He also gambles with luck a lot. You seize your two chances and you win. It's a system that leaves no room for young naive players and is strictly for mature players.
Sometimes the players let you down - Lukaku (every time) at Anfield for us, Son (was it?) who bottled it a few months ago, Bergwijn today. When it works like Milito in the 2010 Final - it's brilliant. Nuno played something similar against Chelsea last night.
It's the perils of a reactive system whereas with Klopp or Alex Ferguson you constantly force the issue. I'd be interested to see what Jose's record is like when his teams go a goal or two down. My guess is not particularly impressive.
It works well at clubs like Spurs and the first Chelsea, starved of success with players and fans desperate to win trophies. He creates something like a cult, downgrades expectations, creates a siege mentality. I can appreciate the method and it is wonderful when you are winning. But it's not likely to impress most Real Madrid or Manchester United fans or the Chelsea of 2020. With respect to Spurs, what does he have to live up to? Ricky Villa drunk twisting in the box against Man city. Not exactly Emilio Butragueno is it?
Sometimes the players let you down - Lukaku (every time) at Anfield for us, Son (was it?) who bottled it a few months ago, Bergwijn today. When it works like Milito in the 2010 Final - it's brilliant. Nuno played something similar against Chelsea last night.
It's the perils of a reactive system whereas with Klopp or Alex Ferguson you constantly force the issue. I'd be interested to see what Jose's record is like when his teams go a goal or two down. My guess is not particularly impressive.
It works well at clubs like Spurs and the first Chelsea, starved of success with players and fans desperate to win trophies. He creates something like a cult, downgrades expectations, creates a siege mentality. I can appreciate the method and it is wonderful when you are winning. But it's not likely to impress most Real Madrid or Manchester United fans or the Chelsea of 2020. With respect to Spurs, what does he have to live up to? Ricky Villa drunk twisting in the box against Man city. Not exactly Emilio Butragueno is it?
It can and has worked. It's won him 20+ trophies.
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Not with the defence he has currently.
That Inter or Chelsea team weren’t just clinical in attack. In defence they were pretty much ruthless and there’s no way they conceding a set piece in the last minute like Spurs did.
It’s alright having men behind the ball, but in key moments your defenders are going to be asked to defend and I wouldn’t trust those Spurs defenders like his Chelsea or Inter side.
The harsh facts.
No matter who their manager is and how great some of their players are and have been, when it comes down to the really big games against the big teams, Spurs fail time after time after time.
The big teams don't keep winning these games by having good luck and Spurs losing because of bad luck. Calling them "bottlers" is probably a bit harsh but there's no doubt something is missing within that club and missing for a very long time.
No matter who their manager is and how great some of their players are and have been, when it comes down to the really big games against the big teams, Spurs fail time after time after time.
The big teams don't keep winning these games by having good luck and Spurs losing because of bad luck. Calling them "bottlers" is probably a bit harsh but there's no doubt something is missing within that club and missing for a very long time.
You simply cannot afford to let your heads drop and go into a slump like what happened in 2016 when Chelsea cost you the title.
Obviously this defeat is going to hurt but need to bounce back straight away,did feel that if Bale hadn't been ill he probably puts away that Bergwijn one.
Obviously this defeat is going to hurt but need to bounce back straight away,did feel that if Bale hadn't been ill he probably puts away that Bergwijn one.
Any guess on what Mourinho said to Klopp after the match?
I need a new bus.
Spurs is the right type of club for Mourinho at the moment, one that has been starved of recent success, far more willing to accept the unpleasantness of his character and playing style.
They are disgusting to watch, long term it is not a style a fanbase can tolerate, but hold the nose for the short term.
They are disgusting to watch, long term it is not a style a fanbase can tolerate, but hold the nose for the short term.
Of course. It's already cost them once - against West Ham. When I watched Burnley play Arsenal it struck me how much Mee and Tarkowski actually enjoy defending. Putting in tackles and throwing themselves in front of the ball. How many top class centre halves today does that apply to?
All top class centre halves enjoy defending and the feeling of a clean sheet. Except Ramos probably
Don't forget winning the league title in 4 different countries. He is a great manager, no matter his style. It just didn't work well with us.
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Past achievements count for nothing in the ruthless world of sport. Madrid sacked Del Bosque after winning 2 UCLs, he then swept the board with Spain.
He was a great manager but the way it works is that he'll constantly have to prove it. It won't count for anything to Spurs' fans that he won this and that. They have been starved of big trophy wins for 2 generations.
Second half spurs missed an open header and had one off the post. Liverpool had Manes shot off the bar and buried their header into the net.
Ahh I remember this stage under mourinho, we’re all so quick to forget.. I call it the “optimism” stage.. a few decent results and all of a sudden there’s a chance he could transform the team into world beaters.. what follows is usually a trophy of course, either europa, league cup, or the F.A cup maybe,
The following transfer windows he starts trying to fill the squad with “men” and by “men” we mean 33 year olds..he’ll marginalize the young up and comers that showed early promise the previous season, including some of his own signings.. Levy will question his targets, he’ll come out in the media and say the club lack ambition.. stink up the training ground leading to a player revolt, and hey presto he’s getting a big payout to leave once all the players hate him, each other and the sport in general.
we all know what happens at the end, we were warned by Madrid fans, we didn’t listen.. we were warned by Chelsea fans.. we didn’t listen.. and now we’re warning Spurs fans, who aren’t listening.
Mourinho is a good manager, he’s won a lot of trophies for a reason, but buying into his brand of football means you have to sacrifice everything you actually like about it in the process..
we may not play well consistently, we may not be on the cusp of winning trophies atm.. but I’d take this current united over the mourinho version every day of the week.. at least I look forward to watching the games again now
The following transfer windows he starts trying to fill the squad with “men” and by “men” we mean 33 year olds..he’ll marginalize the young up and comers that showed early promise the previous season, including some of his own signings.. Levy will question his targets, he’ll come out in the media and say the club lack ambition.. stink up the training ground leading to a player revolt, and hey presto he’s getting a big payout to leave once all the players hate him, each other and the sport in general.
we all know what happens at the end, we were warned by Madrid fans, we didn’t listen.. we were warned by Chelsea fans.. we didn’t listen.. and now we’re warning Spurs fans, who aren’t listening.
Mourinho is a good manager, he’s won a lot of trophies for a reason, but buying into his brand of football means you have to sacrifice everything you actually like about it in the process..
we may not play well consistently, we may not be on the cusp of winning trophies atm.. but I’d take this current united over the mourinho version every day of the week.. at least I look forward to watching the games again now
I thought spurs were unlucky last night, bergwin has 2 great chances and Kane missed a sitter.
Liverpool though are a machine at Anfield and just always find a way of winning!
One thing is certain, we are nowhere near the quality of both these teams. Yesterday's game was high class, real quality and both teams wanted a win. Compare that to the dross that we saw in the Manchester derby.
Liverpool though are a machine at Anfield and just always find a way of winning!
One thing is certain, we are nowhere near the quality of both these teams. Yesterday's game was high class, real quality and both teams wanted a win. Compare that to the dross that we saw in the Manchester derby.