Awe I think it's different for guys - I don't think I've ever felt that way about a game. I get annoyed but that's pretty much it
Spurs 2018/19
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Awe I think it's different for guys - I don't think I've ever felt that way about a game. I get annoyed but that's pretty much it
I’m not sure how he would handle even half the shit Mourinho takes then. He’s had a comparatively easy time.He is a passionate guy and is just as frustrated as all the fans - to be honest if I had been interviewed right after the match I probably would have ended up headbutting somebody
I’m actually used to it, my wife said “looks like you won then’”, I said “we will get beaten 2-1” and that was that. Our game management is at the level of school boy stuff.
I used to be the same before the Moyes Era, if we lost a match I would be steaming all weekend.Awe I think it's different for guys - I don't think I've ever felt that way about a game. I get annoyed but that's pretty much it
Moyes changed that for me
I suddenly got used to losing and I now i'm Ok after a few hours.Honestly the reaction is very civil in here even after 3 losses on the bounce.
Not a patch on what happened in the United forum after one pre season loss
Not a patch on what happened in the United forum after one pre season loss
Pochettino had a point. It's so pathetic the media focus on players not selected when those two played at Watford and Liverpool. If you're 1-0 up with 5 to go, and the manager brings on two defenders and you concede....the headlines will be about negative subs.
Well that's because it is a Utd forum and most people here don't really care that much about Spurs to make a fuss. You should go to any Spurs forum right now and you will see epic meltdowns all over the place.
Remember, as long as you play attacking football, losing doesn't matter.
Hell, there are many on this forum would be very satisfied to lose 3, 4 or 5 games in a row, as long as we are attacking and entertaining to watch.
Personally, I like to win and I like to have an elite level manager like Jose, at the helm of the club, knowing that there are very few managers on this planet who can get better results, with the current squad.
Regarding Poch to MUFC - if the guy can win a trophy, this would make me warm to the idea of him joining us, but at this early stage, he simply does not have the ability to handle the MUFC job. The pressure alone, will age him considerably, just as it did Moyes, who looked to have aged 5 years, in the 10 months that he was here.
I wonder why that might be. :S
I have no idea what it looks like down there. Can‘t imagine you have posters comparing Pocchetino to Trump, Poch supporters to fascists and describing the attitude of some fans as toxic masculinity because those fans want their manager to continue
I have no idea what it looks like down there. Can‘t imagine you have posters comparing Pocchetino to Trump, Poch supporters to fascists and describing the attitude of some fans as toxic masculinity because those fans want their manager to continue
Well no but Poch and Jose have very different personalities.
Wondering why United fans aren't melting down over another team's results.
I see you're still going with this line.
Even a blind man can see we have very worrying issues that simply haven't been addressed and will continue to rear their head. 5 games in or not, I haven't seen a Spurs team look this flat and clumsy in years, this isn't just poor early form. Of course we'll improve, but you're absolutely delusional if you can't simply admit that the club made a huge mistake in not bringing in players. We needed to freshen up the squad, provide some depth for the World Cup players, and add genuine quality in midfield. We did nothing.
Last night was not the 'same thing' as Juventus. Against Juve we were genuinely brilliant for the first half, scored a quality goal, but then fell victim to a team with world class players who were extremely clinical. They're part of the European elite yet we went out and played some good football. Against Inter we were dire aside from a period in the second half/some Lucas runs, scored a fluke goal and then proceeded to crack the first time they applied pressure. Pochettino did get it wrong, but Inter are not Juventus, and last season I think we would have been 2 or 3 up going in to the 85th.
I'm just trying to imagine if we went a summer without signing anyone. The number of planes.
This is why I 'love' Spurs!
You don't have to imagine it. We did lose three in a row not that long ago, exactly two years ago to be precise, during the 2016/2017 season. Just a few clicks away if you want to further explore that and any ensuing meltdowns: https://www.redcafe.net/seasons/2016-17/results
10 Sep 2016 | PL | L | Manchester United 1:2 Manchester City
15 Sep 2016 | EL | L | Feyenoord 1:0 Manchester United
18 Sep 2016 | PL | L | Watford 3:1 Manchester United
Except our loss on the continental stage wasn't at Inter Milan in the Champions League, it was at Feyenoord… in the Europa League, with all due respect. And we didn't even score a goal.
Don’t try and sugar coat it we bottled it high heaven. A goal up with 10 mins to go, shut up shop Poch, same as Watford. I wish he was more like Jose at times.
I have never said we shouldn’t have been trying to get players in, but could we get players in that we could afford, I didn’t want mediocre players as we have a few of those already. You just have your mind made up that levy simply didn’t want to.
If we are so short on numbers why the feck leave Trippier and Toby at home and the best player of the season on the bench.
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I think Spurs, under Pochettino, are habitual slow starters. They have generally managed to make up for their slow starts in previous seasons. I think they are more likely than not to do so this season as well.
They have not looked good since the season started but winning a few will restore their confidence; Kane being off form doesn't help, Vorm is not a good backup for Lloris and the team overall needs to improve their general play and passing.
If they continue to lose and play badly, then they deserve all the criticism of a big team because that's how they've tried to portray themselves.
They have not looked good since the season started but winning a few will restore their confidence; Kane being off form doesn't help, Vorm is not a good backup for Lloris and the team overall needs to improve their general play and passing.
If they continue to lose and play badly, then they deserve all the criticism of a big team because that's how they've tried to portray themselves.
You don't remember march 2013?Awe I think it's different for guys - I don't think I've ever felt that way about a game. I get annoyed but that's pretty much it
Of course we bottled it. Pochettino is horrible at game management, you're absolutely right, it's one area he needs to improve. I don't think it's as simple as 'shut up shop' (plenty of good teams don't do this, they keep going for the jugular) but the substitutions we make too often have a negative impact, and opposition managers make tactical shifts which we don't adapt to, with Juve last season the best example of that. Watford was not a shut up job, it was a don't defend set pieces terribly job and don't surrender the midfield.
We're a top four side with one of the highest revenues in the league, a low wage budget, and we spend nearly nothing every season on players. We could afford to splurge on 1-2 players of real quality without bankrupting ourselves, would be overpaying? Yes, get used to it, that is 2018 football. We'll end up losing more money by being tight because we will lose our top players, and lose CL football. Levy doesn't want to 'overspend' because he thought Poch could make do, well look at where that attitude has us. Back your manager, accept that in the modern game transfers are expensive, and deal with it. Or go backwards.
It's not as if Trippier/Toby would have made much of a difference, our problems weren't at CB/RB. Aurier in fact was one of our best players, despite my reservations. We need more quality in midfield, badly, and we just completely lack it. I'm so tired of watching us try and get it to Eriksen because he's the only player with creativity, bored of watching Dembele/Dier pass it sideways. We need another player in there who can get his foot on the ball, calm things down, and play some passes forward without having to look for the Dane. If that costs 60 million then so fecking be it.
Lucas coming off the bench was lethal, we were already 1-0 up at that point and he was ripping the tired/slow Inter defenders apart. It was actually a good choice, sadly the chances created from him coming on were wasted. Unlike you, I can both say Pochettino has made mistakes, but that he's basically been sabotaged by the board this season. That's the fact of the matter, he isn't perfect but he's our manager and we're getting nobody better, so give him the backing he needed.
We have the same weaknesses as last season (game management, not being clinical etc) but we're also not playing good football throughout the 90. Against Juventus I came away proud of the team despite losing, because over both games we played well. We're not doing that anymore, last season we beat Inter because they were there for the taking for most of the game.
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This season feels different. I've never been too worried about our slow starts before, but right now we're seeing some of the worst football we've played in years. I also think we have issues now that aren't going to be resolved by just getting in to our stride, I imagine the likes of Kane will come in to form but right now the mentality of the squad doesn't feel right at all.
It will get better of course, but will it be enough for top four?
Big game for them this weekend. A fourth defeat in a row would be pretty damaging to their ambitions this season.
Remember the riot when we lost 2 games? Spurs can get away with losing 3 and nothing is said.
Nothing is said? Have you opened a paper or listened to the radio in the last 2 weeks at all?
Some of the red tops reporting there's dressing room unrest with a number of players demanding big contracts to match Kane's £60+m deal.
I think this was always going to raise its head and I think Spurs will need to change their pay structure.
I think this was always going to raise its head and I think Spurs will need to change their pay structure.
Was always going to happen with some players, I can see ENIC selling very, very soon probably as soon as the stadium is, eventually, finished.
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We are Manchester united, one of the biggest clubs in the world. Spurs are simply not in that category.
ENIC selling Spurs? Would be interesting, could end up being purchased by some Saudi conglomerate and just another mega bucks oil baron team in the league however.
I think maybe Eriksen could demand that kind of pay, Lloris and Alderweireld a little under that. Who else in that Spurs team deserves to be on the same wages as Kane other than Eriksen? They have some good players, none I would consider on the levels of Eriksen and Kane however.
Knew they would sort out their league form and make top four even more difficult for us.
The pitch has now been laid in our new stadium.
The pitch has now been laid in our new stadium.
Amazing how close the stands are to the pitch on all for sides, atmosphere should be rocking.
We've had an easy run of games and haven't really looked convincing in them.
Our next 3 (West Ham away, City at home, Wolves away) should tell us more, West Ham always up their game against us, City are City and Wolves are clearly a difficult trip for anybody. If we play like we did against Huddersfield and Cardiff, we will be in trouble.
The pitch has now been laid in our new stadium.
Looks amazing, the second pic isn't showing though
It’s been a weird season so far. Lots of negative press and energy around the club, for multiple reasons. Lloris, lack of signings, stadium delays, injuries, lots of players off form, three losses in a row etc etc.
Yet this is now officially our best start to a PL season. We’re 2 points off the top. And has our start been that easy? We’ve played 5 of the 8 away and Man Utd and Liverpool. Though the upcoming couple of months are more difficult for sure.
What I haven’t liked so much so far are our performances. They need to pick up.
And can’t wait to get into the new stadium and away from bloody Wembley.
Yep, especially when you also figure in the acoustic engineering. The designers have said the aim has been to:
"... create acoustics where they don’t break down, the reverberation times are quicker, they last longer, they get louder, and the louder people get, the louder people around them get, and so the atmosphere and the noise builds. … it really has been considered much like a concert hall's acoustic would be considered, in order to get this incredible clarity of the acoustics within the seating bowl. The level it’s been taken to is unique."
The stadium looks great
I think this is purely because of the growing gap between the top six and the rest of the league. We've won all our games against poor opposition, similar to how Arsenal haven't been impressive but have consistently put away the dross of the league. It says a lot that this is our 'best start ever' yet we're still only fifth.
I think we've had a relatively easy start, sure some away games but we've faced all 3 of Cardiff, Huddersfield and Newcastle, probably the worst 3 sides in the league right now. Then you have Fulham at home and Brighton .. again, two sides who are right in the mix for the relegation spots.
Our 3 hard games have been Liverpool, United and Watford (who aren't a great side, but are a tough away game esp. with their form). We've lost two of them, and the one we did win was against a United side who are in crisis at the moment. Still, an impressive result but certainly not as impressive as a win at OT would be under normal circumstances. We've then lost our two games in Europe against half decent sides, so to me it seems like a pattern is emerging here .. we're able to scrape the wins against the poor sides, but when we face quality we're crumbling.
I usually focus more on performances than results, which can be deceptive and often based on differing fixture lists. I haven't seen improvements in the way we're playing and we're a decent chunk in to the season now. We're losing the crunch games whilst not being entertaining, and look to already be staring down the barrel of a CL exit .. and despite our good league form, are still not even inside the top four.
Don't get me wrong, it's far from a crisis our a disaster, we're clearly plodding along and managing to keep up with the pack. I just am extremely concerned going forward that unless we drastically improve in terms of performances, we're going to start getting punished.
That is fair but it isn't like we're 5th and adrift from the other 4 clubs, we're all bunched up. Man Utd are going through a rough time at the moment but I reckon they'll be back up soon and you're right, the 6 clubs will probably be quite close by the end of the season.
Cardiff, Huddersfield, Newcastle are all quite poor. Fulham could have gone either way in terms of difficulty and Brighton have lost 4 games at home since coming up.
I also agree that if our performances don't improve, we will likely end up falling out of contention from the top 4 (and I already think we are out of the CL tbh). My point is that we always start the season quite slowly under Poch. We often look like shit performance wise at the beginning. Worryingly, we also often suffer a slump in the 2 months that are coming up (not helpful when our fixture list reads West Ham (a), PSV (a), Man City, West Ham in LC (a), Wolves (a), PSV, Crystal Palace (a), Chelsea, Inter, Arsenal (a)).
That little run takes us to 1st December and I would not be surprised if by that time, we aren't out of the league cup, most likely out of the CL and behind the other clubs will be doing well to have picked up double figures from those 6 league games. I am almost certain there will be doo and gloom aplenty after that but after that little run, our fixture list really lightens up and (hopefully!!) will be in the new stadium by then.
But yep, performances so far have not been up to scratch and need to improve.