Poor today, not enough creativity. Dier was really dire.
Spurs 2018/19
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Yeah, it's not as if I had numerous arguments with other Spurs fans on here who believed no signings wasn't a big deal, and that we were well equipped enough to enter the next season.
I'm not claiming to be a 'genius', just trying to point out how ridiculous it was that people were justifying no investment when it was so blatantly needed. Hopefully in future people aren't so accepting of failing to spend, because right now that top four spot is looking mighty difficult to attain, and it's very possible at the end of the season we'll be looking at a lack of spending causing us to drop out of the CL spots.
Let's wait more than 5 fecking games, again Liverpool simply had a better game plan than us today.
Watford too?
By 'better game plan', you mean our midfield being so totally ineffective at providing any kind of creativity that our possession was pointless? Dembele, Winks and Dier were all poor/non descript, we blatantly needed a big signing in this area to replace Dembele who is on a sharp decline, yet haven't done so and twice now we've looked like we have no creativity unless Eriksen is on song. Our midfield options are painfully limited.
We can wait as many games as you like, I feel quite confident in saying that Dembele isn't suddenly going to be his old self, Dier will remain an average player, Wanyama will likely still have issues and Winks will still not be ready to start. It's a very big weakness in our team, heck our over-reliance on Eriksen for a creative spark has been a problem for a while now.
I haven't been impressed by a single one of our performances so far. We should have dropped points against Newcastle, were OK against Fulham, United was a great result but honestly not a great performance and then Watford and Liverpool were abysmal games. This team needs a spark from somewhere and a couple of transfers could have provided that, it's very possible that there is a stale atmosphere taking hold because of our refusal to add competition and improve, players need to be challenged, they want to see ambition.
Two tough games coming up now, too. Inter Milan away presents a very real risk of losing 3 on the bounce, and Brighton away is far from an easy 3 points, as United proved. This team needs a kick up the arse, because we've been totally flat this season, honestly I couldn't believe how little we created in a home match today, it's one thing getting beat but its another to be so lacking in drive.
I'm not knee jerking or reacting just because we've lost two, I've been expressing doubts since before the season started.
You are the most relentless poster in this entire forum at talking down Spurs. It's just a constant stream of bad vibes. We played shit today and the team is in poor form generally but feck me mate you are making me want to slit my wrists with every single post you make. Let's try backing the team for once and try to stay positive, otherwise it's going to be a bloody long and depressing season listening to you moan on over and over about the same stuff.
Trust me you have expressed them, over and over and over. We have been shit at the start of seasons before, a midfield playmaker wouldn't have helped our inept defending today one bit, Liverpool done to us what we did to them last season, gave up the ball and made us come on to them Poch fecking about with the formation isn't helping either, Dier was on the left and right side of midfield with Dembele holding. While Lucas has looked good it's not working for Kane, like with England Kane's looking isolated.
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I really don't know what exactly you expect to be said when we put in back to back terrible performances. What exactly am I meant to be upbeat about right now? It's pretty depressing to see exactly what you expected to happen unfold, I imagine the season is going to be pretty miserable for us regardless of what I post here.
I wasn't negative at all when we were getting results, I said the performances weren't great but getting points is what matters this early, and that I was excited by Moura/Toby. I actually argued against people who were overly critical of us early on, but right now criticism is entirely deserved, the side is performing like they've given up already and are utterly devoid of ideas.
I don't get this 'backing the team' stuff. You realise we're on a rival forum that Spurs players/staff don't read, and not in the stadium? I'm not going to deliberately alter my opinions to back the team when my opinions expressed here have no impact on their morale. You'd have a point if I was booing them at Wembley, whenever I go to games I back the team 100%, on here it's just my unrestricted opinion. There's no point sugar coating our current state, what purpose does that serve exactly?
All I'm saying is the same issues I raised in the summer (the ones some dismissed as hyperbole) are now the ones biting us in the arse, predictably.
Wow, this thread looks like on fire. 
You have been spitting out relentlessly negative stuff about Spurs since the you joined the forum - we all have been frustrated about the lack of signings, we all are upset about the poor performances but christ almighty we don't all moan on about it every single post and go on and on and on about the same shit that we already know. Not only is it incredibly depressing, it's also boring as feck.
I don't get why it's ok for you to relentlessly criticise Pochettino's tactics, but not for me to point out that the lack of investment is having an impact? I don't even disagree with you, he is making mistakes, but it seems a slight double standard.
No, but we ended up losing by a single goal, so a midfield playmaker could undoubtedly have done something today, at least maybe have given the fans more to get excited about because our play was completely devoid of ideas. Kane is looking tired and in need of a period of rest, hopefully Pochettino doesn't pander to him because I feel like his desire to win the golden boot is meaning he plays even when it isn't sensible.
Alright, everything is fantastic, hopefully we can go and make it tough for Inter Milan.
By the way, there were posters still in denial and not bothered by the lack of signings. It's those I am aiming posts at.
Look if we could have signed someone we should have, I just didn't want another Sissoko or unproven Drench youngster. Keane after the game had said we were looking at 4-5 but none were going over the line due to the inflated market. For the record I hardly ever criticise Poch but ATM I really don't get how he is setting up the team, we are perfect for 4-3-3 yet he hardly ever plays it, when he does we look better.
See there you go again - sarcasm - I'm not asking you to say everything is fantastic - I'm just asking you to consider posting in another part of the forum for a bit or something because you are depressing as feck in this thread. I don't care about any arguments you have had with other posters who dared to have an alternative view to you - you are aiming your sights at the club we love, at all of us. Your relentless negativity is overwhelming.
If the club genuinely couldn't identify a single midfielder that could come in and improve us, then we have severe issues. The 'inflated market' is just a reality of transfers in 2018, either you accept it or you refuse to take part, which is an incredibly risky strategy.
Will say it again. Pochettino has taken them as far as he can. They have had virtually the same XI for three seasons. Can't see where the Improvement comes from.
I'm not going to 'post in other parts of the forum' because you find my posts negative. We've just lost two on the bounce and have been poor all season, what exactly is meant to be posted in this thread? We don't have much going on right now which is going to be positive, so it's either no discussion at all or simply acknowledging we're a bit crap at the moment.
You (weirdly) seem to think I'm attacking the club, when I'm actually just criticising the lack of spending which I believe has left us in a very poor position. I don't believe it's something that should be swept under the carpet or ignored, fans should be screaming it from the roof tops and trying to make it known we don't accept it. Again, I'm not going to be like you and sugar coat the situation, the entire Liverpool game you seemed convinced things were OK, then we went 2-0 down and you slightly started accepting the reality.
Pointlessly being positive to generate a 'good mood' in a rival clubs forum?? What is the point, who are you trying to fool? If my posts are depressing you then feel free to ignore, but I'm going to go ahead and suggest that you should probably care a hell of a lot more about how rubbish we've been, rather than somebody pointing out that we've been rubbish.
I think this is potentially very true. Whilst it's difficult for a club like us to really improve our starting XI, we really have stagnated and relied on players at the club improving rather than being proactive about it. Our situation not so long ago was honestly excellent, but I think it is a case of resting on our laurels and wasting the good feeling around the club.
All the players at the club are individually at their peak. He has maxed out all the talent he can get from them. The only way he could have improved the team was by signing to fresh talent.
What it now means is that they are highly dependent on some players maintaining their level. A slight drop by a few and Spurs could be in for a difficult season.
I dont understand why we seemingly spent the summer after a winger when the area we desperately need improvements in is CM. We literally dont have one good enough to play at a high level week in week out. Liverpool have 2 on the bench in addition to the 3 starting that would walk in to our team.
Agree with this.
Reckon the only options are that Levy actually puts his hands into those deep pockets of his and starts spending.
Or, wait for it ......he sells Kane and buys a few decent players with the proceeds. Unlikely to happen I know, but something has to give.
I would say quite a few people were discussing the lack of signings as having a negative affect on the squads performance this year.
Squishy I think, was being realistic about his thoughts for the season while most Spurs fans genuinely thought they could perform better than last season and actually challenge while not bringing in any additional players.
That was a big ball drop this summer, and it could have lasting repercussions. It won’t be just a player here and there during windows, it’s going to be huge sums of money to build a squad capable of getting back into and sustaining a top 4. On top of stadium payments..
This season that 4th spot is going to be a right dogfight.
Hey his is the type of post that has no real insight it’s a post made with no reference or anything to back it up. We always start badly, Kane never ussually scores in August and we have already played 2 of the top for contenders. I think we had one more point at the same time last year. Fans flip, flop game by game and it’s just embarrassing.
I'd say it's more the performances rather than the results which are worrying from a spurs point of view.
I've never seen Spurs under Poch be out run by anyone untill this season, both Watford and the scum done that.
Also Kane is playing well below par, he's hardly contributing right now.
I had spurs fans claiming top four was easy after beating United, now it's clear you will struggle hugely too. Especially as I don't see Levy loosening the purse strings in January.
Looks like there's a civil war between the Spurs fans
The difference between backing your manager and not investing in the squad on display here in the Tottenham vs Liverpool game. As for form, neither side looked amazing and Spurs could have come away with a draw if it wasnt for bad reffing. Did they deserve it? Hell no, but that is football. Liverpool are picked to challenge City for the title, Spurs are picked to be in a scrap for a CL spot, I expected Liverpool to win, and they should have by more than 1 goal. Could have been a 3 or 4-1 if Liverpools attack was in form, admittedly when called on in those defending situations Alderweireld and Vertonghen were quite good.
For Spus they really needed some midfield investment, Move Sissoko and Dembele on, bring in a dynamic creative player and an engine. They really missed Alli today and Vorm was woeful, Winks first game back starting in over a year? I thought Lamela looked good, but it will only be a couple matches until hes injured again. Moura again dangerous, looking like a good purchase by Spurs.
For Spus they really needed some midfield investment, Move Sissoko and Dembele on, bring in a dynamic creative player and an engine. They really missed Alli today and Vorm was woeful, Winks first game back starting in over a year? I thought Lamela looked good, but it will only be a couple matches until hes injured again. Moura again dangerous, looking like a good purchase by Spurs.
I think its the case of two extreme perspectives, the 'we are terrible and everything is doomed' Squishy point of view, and the 'everything is rosey, insert some lame excuse here about not investing' from the other Spurs posters.
That's not true at all, nobody is saying things are good.
Pretty much agree with all of this.
I know it is early in the season to be talking about this, but it doesn't seem so unrealistic to me. Not buying anyone, preparing for Pochettino leaving then selling Kane to fund new players for a new manager. It isn't beyond the realm of possibilities next summer. As you said, something gotto give
It seems not buying in the summer is starting to cost them.
You speak a lot of sense in here and I agree with most of your posts.
The happy clapper Spurs fans here won’t have it but you look tired, one dimensional and slow.
Plus you’ve got the stadium issues and Pochettino looks fed up and out of ideas. Does he actually have a second and third way of playing because from what I can see, Spurs have been worked out by a lot of managers in the Premier League.
Another season just treading water and probably a Europa League finish for Spurs. You definitely need a trophy too, it’s been far too long now.
Kane is an issue. He’s relied on far too much and when he’s out of form, he looks like a slow clogger.
I like Spurs and would prefer them to be up there than Chelsea, City, Liverpool and Arsenal but there is something attached to the club that seems to bring bad luck. It’s a bit like Everton - you’re not allowed to have success it seems.
Not sure people realise the effects of positive/negative attitude around the club and regarding transfer windows.
Its naive to say even if you had signed a CM it wouldnt have helped the other areas of there squad because negativity can breed more negativity
Iv seen Chelsea win the league twice recently and not strengthen and then flop the following year. Same XI pretty much but you need new ideas and competition in the squad but its also about positivity and unity from the board through to the squad
There is no way those Spurs players couldve been looking at this season and be really optimistic about there chances when they didnt sign a single player in the summer
Its naive to say even if you had signed a CM it wouldnt have helped the other areas of there squad because negativity can breed more negativity
Iv seen Chelsea win the league twice recently and not strengthen and then flop the following year. Same XI pretty much but you need new ideas and competition in the squad but its also about positivity and unity from the board through to the squad
There is no way those Spurs players couldve been looking at this season and be really optimistic about there chances when they didnt sign a single player in the summer
What? I've given tons to back my posts up, you're the only one who blindly supports whatever the club does without question. I've given reasons for all my criticisms, and everything I am saying now after 2 losses I was saying before the season started. You can't accuse me of 'flip flopping' when this is a point I've been hammering home SINCE THE SUMMER. Even when we were winning I was stressing how concerned I was about our midfield options, the fatigue of the squad, and how tired we look. Now those problems I highlighted are biting us, you're accusing me of having no 'references' ? What does that even mean? Almost like you're grasping now you're being proven totally wrong about not needing to invest.
Kane has not scored in August before, but I was never concerned because he still moved well, it just wasn't going in the net. It's not about purely looking at point tallies (not a good indicator this early on) but actually looking at how we're playing, the weaknesses in the team etc. I haven't seen us look that flat in a home performance in quite some time. I'm not going to be in here bigging up how amazing we are if we beat Inter Milan and Brighton.
I don't even think things are terrible .. I'm just painted as the ultra negative fan because I refuse to keep the rose tinted glasses on, and because I absolutely am prepared to criticise the club when they make stupid decisions. Worst case scenario I think we finish 5th this season (cannot see us behind Arsenal) and can certainly see us sneaking a top four spot if a few things go our way. It's just that the lack of investment, the lack of ambition shown by the club is extremely frustrating, and it's left us in a difficult situation.
This reminds me, I need to buy more micro wave-able popcorn.
I cant believe we lost 0-3 to these guys. We capitulated but still a completely undeserved outcome.
Imagine a Spurs forum. How shit that must be with 100s of squishies and levythians.
I think Pochettino is starting to believe he's taken the club as far as we can go, or at least I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. How exactly is he meant to push us up to being title challengers without some serious investment in to the squad? He can't, it's that simple. His best opportunity to do so was when Leicester won the league, but we weren't quite ready then. Now, there are numerous strong teams spending hundreds of millions, whilst we still boast the same playing staff we've had for years.
We're not going to win the league by bringing through the odd youth player who improves the team. Most of our key players are now playing at their prime/near their prime, so I don't see any huge improvement coming from within us. The squad is in need of some serious investment (Liverpool style in midfield) but why would Pochettino have any faith he'll receive that after last summer?
On here you have relatively similar debates between those who want Mourinho in, and those who want him out at all costs. Big issues like this will always lead to sharp divides within fanbases, like the Wenger in vs Wenger out fiasco.
It's not pretty, admittedly.