classic. I believe the words "make a statement" were used. as well as "state of the art training facilities, new stadium, revenue streams, compete with the big guns etc etc"Spurs 2018/19
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classic. I believe the words "make a statement" were used. as well as "state of the art training facilities, new stadium, revenue streams, compete with the big guns etc etc"It didn't make a lick of sense that Spurs were going to spend big. They have just renovated their stadium and given bumper new contracts to many of their players. Then you consider that this is a world cup year, with a shortened window, meaning trasnfers will be quite difficult.
Lol when has the game been about transfers? I don’t think Poch or Levy wanted more filler, there was a distinct lack of good too talent this window. I love how the media brainwashs fans to their insesant BS. Everton have spent £70M on for lost of shit IMO, something they really should be used to. Fred is a good signing but not earth shattering. It was a shit window for most what matters is what happens on the pitch. Am I dissappointed? Slightly but we will be fine.
I was one il hold my hands up, but when clubs are spending £40m on Richarlson and an other £30M on Mina I think a player that would really make up improve would be £100M. United fans should know this, there was no value there, and a distinct lack of real talent.
In hindsight you are probably correct but you can't help dreaming right?
You are just experiencing what Arsenal went through when they moved.
That's not in hindsight friend. I predicted several months ago that Spurs would try to minimize spending to offset the costs of the stadium. Them giving big contracts to their players and the window closing early just added to that prediction being more likely.
I'm so glad we're basing the immediate future of this football club on more speculative predictions for which there is absolutely nothing to support. The sugar daddies aren't going fecking anywhere Glaston, where is your evidence to support that they will? If the sum total of our ambition is to sit and wait for Man City's owners to get bored, then quite frankly our owners can sell the club to somebody who has a tad more ambition than that. By the way, Liverpool reached a Champions League final and are dark horses for the title next season without having a sugar daddy, but by just backing their world class manager (we have one of those) in the transfer market. They haven't gone 'well, what's the point if City exist?' but instead have decided to take a risk.
City won't exist in their current state forever, they've had fantastic teams before which have faded. If you're just not going to invest because 'well they're too good, no point' then when they do have a poor season, you're not going to win the title anyway, somebody else will. You prepare to be the best possible team you can be regardless of the strengths of the opposition, it's utterly ludicrous to just accept defeat and not invest in the squad because of the loser attitude that we have no chance regardless. You realise our fecking motto is 'To Dare is To Do' right? Not 'Well We Aren't as Good so Why Bother'.
Levy's priority is ensuring that we're a cash cow that he can benefit from. He's absolutely happy as long as Pochettino can keep eeking out top four finishes from this squad, all while we spend absolutely nothing on transfers. All his investments are to boost the value of the club and our future revenue, not because he's got some dream about Spurs becoming a competitive football side which can win league titles. There's a reason we've won sod all since 2008 and that our best team in god knows how long isn't even being supported by the chairman. Not worth the risk, is it? As for describing transfers as 'fireworks' what utter stupidity, they're football players and we're a fecking football club, bringing in new players freshens up the side, increases competition in the team and who knows? Maybe a Grealish or a Zaha could be turned in to an absolute worldie by Pochettino. We'll never know if we don't ever bother to actually sign them.
What you're describing is a nightmare, apocalyptic scenario. It can still be a really crap window without us having our spine torn out. We've utterly failed in every objective except 'keep our players', which is the absolute minimum expectation we entered with. We've completely disappointed the fans, failed to work on any of our weaknesses, and left us completely without depth and at the mercy of injuries. It's been awful.
Nope. But you do realize there is a middle ground, right? It's not a situation of "spend nothing or spend hundreds of millions". Yet you seem to revert back to this talking point by default, as if that is the only scenario.
The fact is, a couple of strategic signings in areas of need (central midfield, competent backup to Kane, perhaps another wide player with quality) would have put us a lot closer to being able to compete at the top with City. Would it have been enough to overtake them? Probably not likely, but who knows. The fact is we never will now, considering we signed absolutely nobody to improve the squad.
Again, I come back to the point about ambition and backing the manager. We are moving into an amazing new stadium. We've had a couple of great seasons under an absolutely wonderful manager whom all supporters hope will continue to be around for the long term. Yet we've followed up all this positive momentum and change that is happening by falling back on our seemingly favorite excuse of "the market is crazy and everyone is too expensive". Sorry but the market is what it is and I don't share your view that it will somehow be changing in the near future. So we either bite the bullet and participate, or continue making no meaningful efforts to improve our depth and quality.
I've always been a big Levy supporter, and I continue to be. I just think the lack of activity this window is one of his greatest missteps yet. Time will tell I suppose. And while "absolute disaster" might have been a bit of hyperbole, there is simply no way this window can be considered a success, regardless of how many contracts were signed.
still crossing my fingers tightly, in the hope Roman leaves and of course, the rebuilding of City's infrastructure (stadium, training complex, youth system, senior leaders) was just for banter.
Levy is playing a dangerous game. Making top four is going to be a battle and if Spurs drop out its not going to be easy to get back in against five wealthier clubs, quite possibly needing to replace the spine of the team in CM/CB next summer, Poch likely to leave sometime in the next couple years, and the current transfer market very tricky for rebuilding.
In this competitive climate, if you're not taking steps to improve every year, you're getting worse in a relative sense.
In this competitive climate, if you're not taking steps to improve every year, you're getting worse in a relative sense.
OK, great. Your 2nd string GK is better than our 2nd string GK. It's been a terrible window for Spurs that we didn't spent lots of money on new 2nd string GK.
Just like it's terrible that we didn't spend £40m (or more) on persuading Villa to sell us Grealish, or £70m (or more) on Zaha to compete with Son for a starting slot, or didn't get Martial from United for Toby + £30m, so that Martial can compete with Son for a starting slot and we then have to spend £X on finding a new CB to replace Toby.
Except, I don't actually see any of this as terrible or a disaster. Instead I see a Spurs squad that's good, unchanged from last season and that will IMO compete well this season.
Yeah here we go, Levy Shill #2 has arrived. What was it you were saying all window? 'I'm sure we'll sign players', if I remember correctly. We didn't want more filler? We have the thinnest squad in the top 5, and there were plenty of players available that could have improved our squad, we just decided to pursue absolutely none of them. We're still going to be reliant on the likes of Sissoko next season, still going to be heavily reliant on an ageing, injury riddled Dembele, all because the club decided to add absolutely nobody to the team.
Even one of the most expensive players we were linked to, Zaha, who would undeniably have been an improvement on our current wide options bar Son, wouldn't have cost anywhere near 100m. You realise this is the market now, right? If anything it's only going to get worse because the money in the Prem is like that now, so we either accept that it's changed and compete, or accept dropping down the league. Personally I'd prefer the former but seems like you're totally content with the latter.
Absolute fecking disgrace and the fans justifying it are an absolute dream for Levy, you guys make it so easy for him.
It's been a terrible window because we added no players to the squad despite not winning a trophy since 2008. How about showing some fecking ambition?
I really do believe that you could have, yes. You've got the second best first 11 in the league. What you don't have is a perfect first 11 and you sure as hell don't have any strength in depth.
All Spurs had to do was buy one or two players. Yes you would have had to spend £40-80m but those players would have given an already strong team, relief.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest that in a mythical league whereby all teams never pick up a single injury, Tottenham would challenge until the home stretch.
Vorm used to be quite good anyway, didn’t he?
I wouldn’t be pessimistic with Spurs’s squad and set up. Maybe it’s more like I think you’re in a position where a couple of reinforcements could really take it up that extra level you’re so close to being at.
I can’t help thinking that if you’d have cashed in on Rose and Alderweireld a year ago, you could already have afforded to bring in players who would ultimately contribute a lot more than those two did last season and probably will this season.
I might of course be very wrong about this.
Mate I swear you make me laugh, without a ball even being kicked. I wish we could have signed someone, but we didn’t, I won’t lose any sleep over it. From the sounds of Poch he isn’t that worried either. We kept the players everyone thought would leave and it’s a disgrace, mate have a word with yourself. You will have ur wish soon enough, Levy will leave and your prayers will be answered and all will be good in your world.
Why in the world would you come into an opposition fan forum and do nothing but slabbed about the club?
Didn't say things were terrible for Spurs. Just commenting on the Vorm thing.
Please refrain from using Everton as a benchmark. they are poorly run. Mahrez went for 60 million. Lemar 63 million. Jorginho 51 million. Douglas Costa 36mill, Felipe Anderson 34mill, Witsel 18 million, Kluivert 15 mill, Paulinho (Loan), Seri 27 million.
plenty of value if you bother to look
EDIT : William Carvalho 18 million. who in the EPL can you even get for 18 million?
Pastore 22 million
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He is being realistic. This a United forum (or as @GlastonSpur puts it, a football forum with a quite large United sub-forum), and look at how positive we are about our own prospects for this season.
It’s a difficult one, isn’t it? United and Spurs experience some of the same problems thos summer, actually reinforcing rather than just bringing people in. Despite the situation being quite different at the clubs in many other respects. Ironically, two of the players that could actually really reinforce United are surplus at Spurs for the time being.
I don’t quite get what you mean? I’m positive because I don’t think we’re going to do much worse than last season?
I think United will get top for easily, I think we will too. People buying into the media farce that is the transfer window.
Why does a ball have to be kicked for me to be disappointed in the transfer window? That makes no sense.
Shock horror as manager of football club doesn't come out before the season starts and tell everyone he hates his team and it isn't ready. I for one am amazed that Pochettino hasn't come out and gone 'Dembele's got no back lads, we're fecked', honestly it's beyond me. So because we kept players that seemingly nobody actually bid for, it's a great window? Christ almighty, let me whack out my Levy statue and start worshipping because he got some players who didn't want to leave contracts.
It's a disgrace because we have numerous weaknesses, haven't won a trophy since 2008 and are facing massive competition for top four next season, yet have done absolutely nothing in the market. How hard is this for the Levy fanclub to understand? You can have a bad window without losing players, by sitting in the corner and refusing to take part we're actively handicapping ourselves whilst others add players to their squad. It's an absolute nonsense strategy and anybody who thinks it will be successful long term is deluding themselves, period.
I've never wanted Levy to leave before, but if he's going to maintain a strategy which simply does not work in football in 2018, then he needs to either change his outlook or leave. You cannot sit around waiting for the market to change when there is zero indication that this will happen. It's utter lunacy.
What I meant is that you claim that @SquishyMcSquish is doing nothing but slabb about the club, and what I am countering with is that he is just being realistic. Chelsea have improved, Arsenal have rid themselves of Wenger and might finally improve, City are City, Liverpool have certainly improved. What have Spurs and United done? We have slightly improved with Fred, but other then that it is lacklustre compared to the others, even more so for you guys.
But that's at the heart of this, isn't it? I agree that we'll probably not do much worse than last season. But wasn't this summer the opportunity to really push on, show ambition, and make it so that we can start competing at an even higher level than we have the past few seasons, as good as they've been? That's my issue with Levy. All of this positive momentum that we have going and can't help but feel the approach this window has at least partially blunted that.
Why oh why are you still gripping onto that one interview by Poch and ignoreing every single other one he has made, even his more recent one. I don’t think anyone apart from Liverpool and City in the top 6 can say they have had a mind blowing window.
Also, I criticize Levy and our transfer policy, not 'the club'. I love Spurs, I think we have a world class manager with a number of world class players, I've defended a number of them and had an argument in this very thread about how good I think Pochettino is. Just because I don't jump to attention whenever anybody says anything remotely against us, and because I don't worship Levy as a demigod, doesn't mean I'm 'slamming the club'.
Chelsea have got rid of one of the best GKs in the league and bought a you Spanish player and signed a CM who yes is good but they have a new manager in transition. Arsenal are a complete wild card, remember what happened United when they got rid of they main stay manager. Liverpool yes have and City are City. We still have the best striker in the league and a very competitive first team and youngsters coming through. I’m not going to loose my shit over a transfer window.
Pochettino made a request at the start of the window, got ignored, and is now making the best of a bad situation. There's no point in him complaining or slamming the squad now, all that will do will destroy morale. What exactly do you expect him to come out and say, a few days before we play our first game?
Nobody else needed to have 'mind blowing window' did they though? United were already better than us and still added two players, and I've already spoken at length about why Chelsea are an extremely dangerous prospect next season, and also added Jorginho and Kovacic, giving them a world class midfield on paper. Only four teams need to be better than us next season for it to be catastrophic for the club in the near future, and I can now clearly see four sides who are either at the same level or better.
We're taking massive, unnecessary risks and allowing our own squad to erode. Even if we finish top four this season, what if the market is the same? Does Levy apply the same strategy because 'waaa the market, no value' ? In which case, other teams continue to improve and we still stay still. Accepting this policy will only lead to it being continually applied in the future, how exactly can't you understand this? You shouldn't be content with what we've done in the transfer market, it's absolutely unacceptable to have added not a single player to this team.
Well, the situations are slightly different, wouldn't you think? There is not a pipe I wouldn't fluff to have Fergie back, the same can't be said for Arsenal fans and Wenger.
Who’s worshiping Levy? I’ve said over and over again he has made mistakes. We have a good manager and squad but have failed in big games when they shouldn’t have, that’s not down to Levy. I can criticise most people at the club at some point.
That new Spanish player being one of the most highly rated young goalkeepers in the world, you seen him play at all? That 'good and all' CM was one of the best in Italy last season, and Kovacic is certainly better than their other current options. Also, Conte was a 'manager in transition', Chelsea are a team who can switch it on within a season, we've seen this before so blindly denying that they are very likely going to be a force is going to get us absolutely nowhere. They constantly enjoy excellent first seasons under new managers, why exactly is it going to be different now?
Your comparing Alex Ferguson to Arsene Wenger says it all really. Absolutely fecking laughable.
Ok I agree but it’s a massive change for any club to automatically just hit the ground running.
I’m not comparing the 2 managers, I’m comparing them in that they were both at the club a long time.... FFS.
So .. we've failed in big games so the answer is to do absolutely nothing to improve that, but to sit still and hope things get better while others improve? Gotcha. Sound stategy.
Lol Conte was a manger, like most of Chelsea’s managers, a winner, Sarri has won feck all. I’ve seen the Spanish kid plenty, and I know a Spanish keeper coming to the PL will not always transition quickly.
Mate we simply aren’t gonna agree.
Ok..?
Wenger was a disaster in his final years at Arsenal, Ferguson was the glue that held United together, there's absolutely no comparison to be had there. How long they were both present at the club is meaningless, Ferguson had United winning titles whereas Wenger's boys were making Brighton look like Barcelona in their prime. There's no indication Arsenal will suffer a similar fate to United whatsoever, other than again .. blind hope and false comparisons.
Well, 99% is clearly BS for the wannabelievers. I do think though that the manager has been very seriously after a RW, a CB and at least one more full back without luck. I’m inclined to believe that right side of attack is going to be a real weakness for us this year regarding fighting for the top position.
Of course, this year is nothing compared to when we lost the league and cup in two weeks of 95, let go of Mark Hughes, Paul Ince and Andrej Kanchelskis only to replace them with ‘kids’.
It didn’t help that we were 3-0 down at HT in the opener against Aston Villa. This year ... (enter Monthy Python soundtrack).
See my previous post.
Good thing Sarri doesn't have to win anything either, just get top four. He did however have Napoli playing the best football in the league and challenging one of Europe's best sides for the league title, but we'll just ignore that.
You've got me with the Spanish keeper bit though. Undoubtedly will be a disaster, we can all rest easy. I remember when it used to be just 'Spanish players will struggle in the prem!' until the likes of Mata, Silva etc came in and were fantastic.