The new owners do very little in respect of Villa’s problem they still need a lot of money in from the next 2 transfer windows. But yeah Grealish is nothing like Dembele, I see him more as Eriksen cover, and can play wide or central, no where near the same level but the kid definitely has ability.
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The new owners do very little in respect of Villa’s problem they still need a lot of money in from the next 2 transfer windows. But yeah Grealish is nothing like Dembele, I see him more as Eriksen cover, and can play wide or central, no where near the same level but the kid definitely has ability.
You seemed quite comfortable with our window a little while back but have been pretty quiet since the argument resurfaced. Do you still feel the same way, or has the fact we've still done nothing concern you yet? No judgement or trying to start an argument, just curious whether it's basically just Glaston who seems comfortable with things thus far.
Not bothered, it’s nothing that I’m not used too. If the window closes and we don’t have at least 2 players in il be concerned yes, but I think we need to look a thing the bigger picture, people talking about other sides strengthing, it’s not like they have massively on last year baring Liverpool. Even then I don’t think they have signed top top quality, yes there keeper should be an upgrade and Kieta looks great but I’m not wetting myself over it. I see no point going over and over it till the window closes. I’m actually excited at the prospect of Amos who I don’t think has looked out of place getting a chance.
It brings me back to Everton last year, people thought they were really gonna challenge for top 6 with their signings and yet, they were shite.
I don't think other sides needed to strengthen massively to compete with us though to be honest, the gap really isn't too big. Disagree with you on Liverpool, Everton mostly signed a bunch of average/decent players and then finished in an average position, I was never worried about their transfer dealings because the players they were bringing in were mid-table quality. Same with this year, the likes of Walcott, Sandro, Klaassen, Keane, Rooney etc ... they were ok players but never going to worry anybody. Gylfi was the only one that I thought would do particularly well but even then he's nowhere near top quality.
Liverpool brought in Roma's starting keeper (one of the best in Serie A), Fabinho who has been pretty important to a strong Monaco team for a few seasons now and Keita who has been excellent for Leipzig for a couple of seasons now. The likes of Shaqiri aren't worth worrying about, but I think those 3 are players who can clearly come in and should be improvements over their options. Nobody is 'wetting themselves' but I think it's fair to look at them and say that this is a side who have identified their weaknesses and have gone 'feck it, let's back our manager' and gone out and fixed them. I admire the attitude.
You're right that we should probably rethink it after the window closes, just feels like a wasted opportunity to really start the season with a buzz. We're down to the barebones at the moment and it's understandable that fans are uneasy considering the promises/statements made at the start of the window.
I read he would be bought as competition to Alli. That makes sense to me as I think Alli needs some pressure on him to improve. I'm a fan of Grealish after watching him a fair bit at the back end of the season. He's naturally gifted and works very hard. Just needs to put it all together.
Ok il be honest here, why do u think Levy doesn’t have the best interests of Tottenham, both him and Lewis are fans of the club and it has been over a decades investment in us for them. Like I have said they have made quite a few mistakes along the way but overall we have been on the up. The way I see it in football these days you have to be a tough bordering on difficult guy to negotiate with you time after time you are going to get shafted on fees and probably equally important now agent fees.
If we only bring in cover or worse no one this window il be very dissappointed but once the window closes il be behind the team. I may be wrong but I’m not buying into this theory that Poch is at loggerheads with Levy. As always we are at a point in the window where it will only take one or 2 transfers for it all to kick off.
He looked impressive in the playoff final, Fulham resorted to fouling him whenever they could in order to try and limit his influence. Also had that fantastic run which he nearly capped off with a goal, so there's definite potential there when you also look at the fact he was one of the more impressive players in the championship. Villa fan I know rates him extremely highly and thinks Pochettino could do wonders with him.
Agree with you regarding Alli. He looked far too comfortable at times last season, as if he's started to believe his own hype and took his place for granted. This is the issue with not having great depth in the side, we have nobody to come in and properly replace Alli and we need that as he's still a young player who will have off periods. His end product is still impressive but he coasts through a lot of games and if he doesn't score or assist can be a passenger, so a kick up the arse may be exactly what he needs.
United have signed Fred and Dallot so far this window, along with the less than inspiring Lee Grant, but not one among our fanbase could say they are truly content if that is the extent of our business. With Spurs signing literally no one to date, your fanbase must be up in arms. With the move to the new stadium and securing the contracts of the clubs most valuable assets (Poch and Kane) I was expecting Levy to make a real statement of intent by splashing the cash this window.
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Do you still have hopes for Martial?
I think he has a lot more vision than Dele, but yeah he will be along with Son, Eriksen, Lamela and Lucas. So 5 players pushing for a start all with different qualities. What I will say is we desperately need a midfielder who can quickly and effectively link in a deeper role.
We'll revisit this when the window is over, like you've said there's no real point revisiting the old arguments at the moment, just wanted to see if your views had changed at all.
Should be in for Nzonzi. While 29 years old, he would fit perfectly. If not, then he will go to Arsenal and making them a serious contender for top 4.
I still have hope but I stilll think it’s near impossible, he and his agent have been quiet, and no other solid interest has been shown in him. I’d love him and think he would do well but unless he pushes it and you find no other buyer or Jose demands Toby it won’t happen. I never thought it would be like buying a happy meal.
Most of our fans are very, very frustrated. Some 'Levy Loyalists' would back him even if he did absolutely nothing this window, but the majority are very confused as to how we could have so plainly completely ignored what our manager wanted and asked for. Look at our squad for pre-season games, we're down to the absolute barebones and playing with the kids because we've brought in absolutely nobody, have injury concerns, and have players who haven't played a single game due to the world cup.
Feels like a wasted opportunity with this squad and manager. If we don't back him in a similar fashion to how Liverpool have backed Klopp, he will understandably stick a middle finger up to the board and move to a club where he feels he is listened to. A few players who will be almost impossible to replace would probably follow him, and we would go back to being a team on the fringes of the top six. I think quite a lot of fans were a bit wary of the notion that Levy would splash the cash .. it's Daniel Levy, the most tight fisted chairman to ever exist.
29? No resale value, probably reasonably high wage demands? Zero chance. Levy would laugh in Pochettino's face.
I have read posts like this during the transfer window EVERY SINGLE SUMMER since we splurged the Bale money.
True, but still the player you guys need the most.
And they would all have been valid, although none have been so poor and dissapointing as this one has been. We've been mostly terrible in the transfer market for a good few seasons now, with far more misses than hits and some pretty desperate moves for players. Christ, the only reason we are still where we're at is because we have an incredible manager who has a squad prepared to run through walls for him. We're succeeding recently because of him, not because of Levy.
Pochettino should absolutely be pointing the finger at Liverpool (who also have a manager loved by the squad who re-built the team) and saying I want that backing or I'm moving to a club who will give it to me. I wouldn't blame him at all if he was infuriated by the pedestrian way in which we've gone about this window, no matter how many excuses are spat out by Levy's fans. It's time the board gave proper backing to the best manager and squad we've had in years, rather than outright trying to handicap him by doing absolutely nothing while all our rivals do more to help managers who have done far less for their team.
In that mould defo, would rather have Luka though lol.
Absolutely, we badly need a midfielder who can come in immediately and replace Dembele's presence, and N'zonzi on paper would be perfect for that No point even considering it though, Levy will pretend like it's an absolute impossibility to sign a player of his profile, his fans will tell us we could never afford it, rinse and repeat. The only time we'll sign a player over a certain age is if it's a Llorente type signing, a cheap stop gap who can come in and do a job for minimal spend.
Net spend champions for like the fifth year running now I reckon.
Last year we signed all out players late, so until this one is over we have no idea if it’s worse.
Yep.
Is it so that Pochettini has absolutely no influence over signings, and Levy holds power over transfers like Sauron controlled Mordor?
No. There are number of people involved in such decisions, Pochettino and Levy being the two most important.
But in your analogy Dourinho is like Gollum, if that helps.
Aren't you the one who was like 'haha, we finished ahead of United again, you keep saying you will finish ahead of us every year but it doesn't happen!!!'
Then it happened. Forgive me if you being calm doesn't really inspire optimism. I'm pretty sure if we signed absolutely nobody in this window you'd still be putting it all down to Levy's master plan.
In the last week of the transfer window in the last 4 seasons, we have signed the following players:
Fazio
Son
Foyth
Stambouli (L)
Nkodou (L)
Sissoko (L)
Llorente (L)
Aurier (L)
The ones with L were signed on deadline day itself.
Hardly a shining example of successful transfers there is it?
Seing as everybody talking about Levy and blaming him for no transfers, then saying that there are many people involved in the decision processes...
I will rephrase: Is it correct to say that Levy has final saying in all transfer related matters?
Can we just...not, with this? This thread has been one of the worst threads consistently on this board over the past few seasons and so far, in yhis year's edition, there has been a reasonable level of decorum and discourse.
Mourinho has nothing to do with what we're discussing so why even bring him into it, on a Man Utd forum?
Ultimately..yes.
I would say that would be the case in every football club though to be honest. Zidane wouldn't just demand a player and he gets him. Just like there's been a few players Pep wanted and ultimately didn't get, as the negotiations didn't go Man City's way.
From what I remember, there is supposed to be a transfer committee. We don't have a DoF anymore so I don't think Poch turns up to training one day and finds players he didn't expect but ultimately if Poch says 'get Zaha' and Palace say 'we'll only accept 70 mil and above' and Levy knows we can't afford that...then there is nothing Poch can really do to override that.
Ultimately, the chairman and owner of the club makes the final decisions, especially on finances.
Neither has Mordor or Sauron, but yet here we are ...
Exactly. Our transfer business has mostly been a complete cluster feck, with the odd success story. Then we still managed to do well in the season and people go 'see, we didn't need to spend a lot!' even though we're succeeding in spite of not properly strengthening, not because of Levy's genius. We're still doing well because Kane emerged and players we signed years ago (Vertonghen, Dembele, Eriksen, Lloris etc) are still very much our core and remain very good players who keep us there every season. The board deserve praise for keeping the players here, they've done brilliantly to tie them down to contracts, it's pretty much the only thing they're doing right at the moment when it comes to the footballing side of the club.
That, and obviously Pochettino keeps us there. He's made this squad a team and done incredibly well developing a number of players, including the likes of Walker who the board pocketed 50 mill off.
He is making an analogy. While asking a valid question about who has the final say on transfers at Spurs.
I'm struggling to see the benefit of riling up the Man Utd fans on a thread devoted to Spurs, on a rare occasion that people are mostly actually managing to have an adult discussion.
I'm not at all suggesting that you are the root cause or sole cause of disagreements, you do get a lot of flak but there's just no real need for this tbh.
Foyth is a talent to be fair, could possibly be a very good defender in a few years if he's developed right. Nobody expected him to come in and have an instant impact. Son is indeed the only one from that list who has come immediately in to the first team and had an impact though, the rest have either been on the bench or an outright handicap (Aurier).
Yep. Son and Foyth still a youngster, with Aurier I guess having to be given another season to prove himself. It is surprising just how much Llorente flopped tbh, I can understand the logic behind that transfer. Fazio is a good player who doesn't fit our system but is doing well at Rome. Stambouli, Nkoudou cheap punts. Sissoko....no.
That isn't to say that late deals are always crap but....if we're relying on that, not got a lot of good precedents really.
Poch has done a great job to be fair.
I think we need a DoF like figure tbh at the club, we've lost a bit of direction recently imo with our transfer policy.
And so it hasn't ... or not unless you translate twice in the last 5 years as "every year".
And so you being "pretty sure" does not inspire confidence ...
Thanks. Some clubs are more lenient to listen to the manager wishes, and some are not.
Ultimately, if we make no signings, I'm relaxed. Football is a game and it is a silly thing to get upset about. We still have a great squad and a great manager. And we'll have a fecking artisan cheese section ffs 
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No but seriously, we'll have an amazing stadium back in our home area after a year at fecking Wembley. Things could be much worse (and have been in the past). We'd still have a good chance of top 4 and Glaston and Inlevyitrust are right. Other then Liverpool, nobody has yet strengthened so much that I am blown away.
Still, I would feel that it is a missed opportunity. Just like when we were flying high with Redknapp in his last season, not far off a title challenge and then brought in Saha and Nelson in January. I really felt that was a missed opportunity too but it wasn't exactly life ending for the club.
I hope we've been working hard behind the scenes.
.No but seriously, we'll have an amazing stadium back in our home area after a year at fecking Wembley. Things could be much worse (and have been in the past). We'd still have a good chance of top 4 and Glaston and Inlevyitrust are right. Other then Liverpool, nobody has yet strengthened so much that I am blown away.
Still, I would feel that it is a missed opportunity. Just like when we were flying high with Redknapp in his last season, not far off a title challenge and then brought in Saha and Nelson in January. I really felt that was a missed opportunity too but it wasn't exactly life ending for the club.
I hope we've been working hard behind the scenes.
Ah the agenda twister this is a slightly different window. Look with Levy and ENIC it’s the way it is, can I ask would u prefer an oligarch? Or a country who’s human rights record is like something from the dark ages? What exactly do you want? The reality is we will be sold to another investment group, probably American, and probably very soon.
As far as I am aware Poch wanted more control of transfers and didn’t want a DOF?