fecking hell, you really do love Sony don't you? Mighty friends who can do no wrong?
In a few years you'll be arguing with other fanboys on which is the best out the the latest generation of machines.
Sony digs at MS over May PS3 sales success
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fecking hell, you really do love Sony don't you? Mighty friends who can do no wrong?
In a few years you'll be arguing with other fanboys on which is the best out the the latest generation of machines.
No! There is no need for a new platform, why? It's got enough punch in there to go 10 years. That's what makes me chuckle. This thing is running its operating system and recording live video off a single 1 of 8 of its core processors. KZ2 is using 4. It was either designed this way for a reason for half a billion dollars or Ken really did lose it.
Riiight, because technology will stand still. I remember similar claims about the Emotion Engine at the time. Admittedly the Cell is a new breed entirely and the PS3 has been beautifully designed for the future, but you can't honestly claim that it will stand the test up against the next generation of Xbox? Hell, it's not even up to the current generation of PCs!
Exactly, hence my point.
I love this mis-placed thought that Sony won't release another console at the same time as the other two! It does make me chuckle
MS won't release another console when Nintendo does either...
Don't know if MS will release another upgraded version of the 360 with a blu-ray drive though.
It doesn't cost the price of current gen pc's either
Do you think Nintendo needs to release another console within the next few years then?
I'm talking about next generation, not a 360 with a new device (which will no doubt go back to making the fecking things overheat and melt again).
That's not the point though, is it.
In what, pixel pushing? No, it cannot push the same amount of pixels a top of the range PC can. Interesting that someone that likes Wii is trying to argue about pixel pushing, because apart from that it has the capability to slaughter a PC.
You keep referring to the Wii when we speak about this kinds of things Weaste. Is it because I defend it against the misinformed people? Hell amongst my mates I'm known as a PS3 fanboy and I don't even own one (yet)!
Point being, I'm not restricted to any one machine as my favourite, so I don't argue based on emotion.
I keep refering to Wii because you are contradictory in what you say. One moment graphics don't matter, then the next they do. We know what RSX can push and we know what Xenos can push, there are strict limits that PCs will surpass, that's a given. However, not having to go through generic APIs such as DirectX (the X gave XBox its name), also change factors slightly. When it gets down to the CPUs, the Intel systems are poor for the game space due to what they are designed to do.
Do you remember the crap that went on two years ago with half the Internet and the gaming press claiming that Cell was useless for gaming because games run in tight yet branchy loops? It was bollocks.
RSX might not be brilliant on its own, but it doesn't need to be as it has a direct link to the Cell with its SPUs being capable of directly offloading their embedded RAM to RSX. I still do not think you realise how powerful these little boxes are.
I'm not arguing based on emotion, I'm arguing based on technical facts.
Yes I do believe Nintendo will release a console in the next few years, or basically sit out of the market for a few years.
The Wii's lifespan is shorter than that of the 360 and ps3.
The Wii's lifespan is shorter than that of the 360 and ps3.
Well it is, because it's power for pound. Nobody in their right mind is going to stick a large gaming PC next to their TV unless they are a total loon.
You like to make things up based on assumption. That's so ridiculous I'm not even going to bother responding to it with an rebuttal.
Err, but you do realise of course that most if not all developers use whatever Sony's API is? Of course a lot go underneath and rework things, but then when can't you with something like DirectX?
Indeed I do. Misinformed idiots talking about things they know nothing off.
I won't pretend to have full indepth knowledge of what each does and why, but I know enough to realise how powerful they are. Hence why I've always said the PS3 is a work in progress and the 360 is almost full on now. I've said that numerous times on here too.
However, we are not now talking about the PS3 overtaking the 360, you think it will also overtake the next M$ system.
I suppose Redlambs compares Ferraris to Smart Cars too.
Why would they need to do either?
How so?
So you still believe that within the life of the PS3 the PC will become obsolete?
I've given you the benefit of the doubt so far, but if this is the sort of thing you are going to reply then maybe it's best you go back to school and let the grown ups debate.
As a client in the home?
YES!
Microsoft think the same, thus why they have ploughed so much money into this.
Basically, the Wii is a gimmick, gimmicks have shorter lifespans.
and..
School's our for Summer.
and..
School's our for Summer.
There is no need to take it any further graphically, none. Both of the HD consoles are quite capable, and over time I would expect more and more 1080p games from PS3. For the average gamer there is no need to go beyond that. PS3 already has 7.1 surround sound, no need to go beyond that.
Not for a very long time.
Not for a very long time.
Not a chance. In the future, definitely, but not in the next 8 years. There'll be another Playstation and it'll be within the 8 or 10 years or whatever you claim.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Apart from graphics, which you are a huge fan of, of course. You think games will render at 1080p, with fullscreen 8x AA and 16x AF, while running at 60fps on the current technology?
I can see enhanced boxes, but not a totally new machine.
You'll see...
I am actually surprised nobody has tried to sue Nintendo yet for damage to their wrists/arms from using their control... I expect it at somepoint though.
We even have a name for it already which fits nicely along with:
Tennis Elbow
Footballers Knee
Athletes Foot
Bowlers Bicep
...
...
Wii Wrist.
At 1080p there is no need for massive amounts of AA unless you have a silly sized screen. I do not believe it is needed. How much AA is Wii doing?
No need to move the goalposts! However out of fun, I'll state a PS4.
I believe people were trying that within the first week! Had they suceeded I would have sued myself, my stupid Fiancee whacked me proper with the fecking thing while playing Baseball
That's my point. You may not believe it's needed (I would disagree, but that's for another day), but the technology will always improve and the consumer will always want more.
Pixel pushing will also fly even higher, and what if the new 360 does have a dedicated Physics chip or three? A.I chip of four?
That's my point, things will progress way beyond what the current PS3 can do, and they'll do it quickly.
Nice try
Here Weaste, I thought this would give you a laugh!
http://wiinintendo.net/2008/04/21/what-the-wii-is-capable-of-graphically-video/
You've got to admit, they've done well considering the hardware
http://wiinintendo.net/2008/04/21/what-the-wii-is-capable-of-graphically-video/
You've got to admit, they've done well considering the hardware
The mass market doesn't even have 1080p displays yet, it's nowhere near mass market, this is why this generation is totally different due to the shift in display technology. Of course technology increases but there does become a point of diminishing returns when there is not point anymore.
I believe that Cell in its current state is quite enough for another 10 years, I think that we will start to see people doing silly things with it. The leap in processing power it gives is way beyond what other generations have done over the previous. Emotion Engine was in a way hype but also not, it did do quite amazing things and still is 8 years down the line. Cell however is a different kettle of fish.
I believe people were trying that within the first week! Had they suceeded I would have sued myself, my stupid Fiancee whacked me proper with the fecking thing while playing Baseball
We can tell
jkBut don't get me wrong, I like the Wii, I may even pick one up, but I don't think it could ever be put into the same bracket as ps3 or xbox360 just because of how it's played (party thing for people coming round, little goes here and there etc)
Actually, it looks better here:
http://uk.wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/hightechwii.html
And here's the game:
http://uk.wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/conduitDF3_bossbattle_07150.html
Impressive a few years back Oh and there doesn't appear to be much AA, although it is a compressed video.
http://uk.wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/hightechwii.html
And here's the game:
http://uk.wii.ign.com/dor/objects/14248157/the-conduit/videos/conduitDF3_bossbattle_07150.html
Impressive a few years back
Oh and there doesn't appear to be much AA, although it is a compressed video.Here Weaste, I thought this would give you a laugh!
http://wiinintendo.net/2008/04/21/what-the-wii-is-capable-of-graphically-video/
You've got to admit, they've done well considering the hardware
"No pre-rendering or post efects were used to achieve these results".
I would hope not!
It's OK for what the hardware can do, but PS2 can do that. What is funny is the way they talk about it.
I get where you are coming from, but it doesn't take an increase in display to improve things much further graphically. I completely agree with the EE and Cell thoughts, I say them myself.
However I stand by the fact PC graphics have already surpassed the PS3 and will continue to do so. Things will always be upgraded, including the Playstation franchise.
The vision you have is coming, like you say at some point it will all be software, however that is a little way off yet. The PS3 is a huge leap in the right direction, but it won't be the last.
"No pre-rendering or post efects were used to achieve these results".
I would hope not!
It's OK for what the hardware can do, but PS2 can do that. What is funny is the way they talk about it.
Don't you just love the hype over these things
It's also a little strong to say the PS2 could do that, but I'm not getting into that argument now. I want to enjoy my weekend!
We can tell
I believe that's Touche.
It's a common mistake people make to think all Wii games are shovelware family titles. If you get the chance, play games like Metroid and No More Heroes, plus pretty much any FPS on the system. It'll change your perspective on what the machine can be used for, when people want to do it.
The problem with the Wii from a gamers perspective isn't what it can do, it's what the companies are doing with it. Over the next year we'll see under all the shit coming out for families, what developers will do. Hopefully it'll be good.
Hell some people insist that they cannot see much if any difference between a 1080p BD movie and its equivalent on DVD. This baffles the mind, maybe it's because they are watching in on a 32" CRT, I don't know.
People are not embracing HD technology yet, and until they do, and until the price of 1080p displays and PS3 come down, then both PS3 and XB360 are irrelevant to most people (even though they look so good on a CRT in any case). However, as lower resolution displays go out of manufacture, then we will see people shifting. CRT tubes do die, forcing people to buy a new one. Most people will only buy a new TV every 10+ years and will always buy the best that they can afford (TV is very important to people), so it's at that point when the shift will take place.
People are not embracing HD technology yet, and until they do, and until the price of 1080p displays and PS3 come down, then both PS3 and XB360 are irrelevant to most people (even though they look so good on a CRT in any case). However, as lower resolution displays go out of manufacture, then we will see people shifting. CRT tubes do die, forcing people to buy a new one. Most people will only buy a new TV every 10+ years and will always buy the best that they can afford (TV is very important to people), so it's at that point when the shift will take place.
It's not the machine. It's its peripheral.
Interesting take on it, I see what you are thinking. It's criminal the amount of people who own a HD machine don't have a t.v to suit. Also don't get me started on the bloody minded fools who claim they can't see a difference. Stevie Wonder and Arsene Wenger bloody could!
However again, my opinion is based purely on power. Consumers and developers always want more, and the second the PS3 and 360 were out of the door, you can bet your life Sony and M$ had dedicated teams looking to the next.
For you, yes. For most it's the perception of the games.
Although to be fair, that seems to be the case in your mind too
The week hasn't ended yet!
It has for me! I've got nothing to do but start reading my new books and more project design. We aren't buying the C4 engine until mid next week, so I'm not using my brain too much until then.
Snes > Ps3