Sony digs at MS over May PS3 sales success
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Nobody is asking for you to be burned at that stake. But nobody is asking you to spread disinformation such as "difficult to program for because of over the top hyperthreading" either. Some of the things you say regarding PS3 here are simply downright wrong. It's a very different architecture to both PC and XB360 and doesn't work well at the end of a Microsoft based tools chain. This will make life complicated for multi-platform developers, but doesn't imply that the PS3 itself is more complex to develop for. Look at it along these lines, your game is the Mona Lisa hung on a wall. The XB360 is a wooden panelled wall, the PS3 is a brick wall. Your toolset is a hammer and the engine software you write is a nail. Whack the nail with the hammer into the XB360 and it will go in easily and firm. Whack the nail with the hammer into the PS3 hard enough and it might just go in after one hell of a lot of effort, but you certainly would not hang the Mona Lisa off it. Now, if only you would change your tool to a screwdriver and your engine software into a screw. Drill a hole for the PS3 and stick in a plug, and you'll probably find that the Mona Lisa hangs better and more securely for both types of wall.
Where have I thrown a tantrum? I've corrected your misinformation. Of course the PS3 has its faults. Nothing is perfect. Saying that they messed up on the technological level however is another one of your statements simply pulled out of thin air. Try to back up what you are saying.
This I can take from you, because it's based upon opinion and not technical facts (which you really should stay away from if you are not sure). If you want to talk/learn about the technical merits of the PS3, XB360, and Wii, then I will gladly help you with that.
What sales did they lose in the beginning? You mean because they didn't launch at the same time XB360 did? That Blu-ray made the machine too expensive and late?
Well, Microsoft pushed it a little didn't they? By doing what they did and rushing their machine (causing them a $1 billion dollar problem in the process) just to try to get one up on the competition, they forced Sony's hand. Sony probably would have preferred to release much later - PS2 was still selling bucketloads.
When Sony first showed a non-working prototype of the PS3 in mid 2005 (all development of software for it was being done of PC based devkits at the time), it had 2 HDMI ports, 6 USB ports, 3 Gigabit ethernet ports. Did it have Blu-ray, I can't remember, shall I look? I doubt it, because the final disc system to be used would not have even been a consideration for the hardware engineers, the interface to that is quite simple. Since then, 1 HDMI port has gone, 4 USB ports have gone, and 2 Gigabit ethernet ports have gone. Blu-ray is definitely in. It's quite possible (I would say likely) that Blu-ray was never even in the original spec at SCE. However, Sony Electronics probably insisted on it in the end. Costs had to be cut, some things had to go, the thing was redesigned. One thing is for sure, it's not the machine that Kutaragi wanted. Blu-ray wasn't even ready as an optical technology when XB360 was released in any case, as they could not manufacture the diode to yield. This is all speculation however.
How else can we be sure that PS3 was rushed out of the door? It was never supposed to have PS2 hardware in it (they've taken it out now and lost a bullet point, and for some of their clients a rather large selling point). It was always supposed to have been done in software. This was not ready for launch (still isn't), so you know what happened, pushing the cost up further.
Microsoft forced Sony's hand (and twisted their own in the process), so you get what you've got. As for Blu-ray becoming Betamax, how can it do that? Firstly it's not got any viable competitor in its space (Betamax had VHS - HD-DVD has gone don't you know), and is at the moment the only retailable format for HD quality video. Whether HD video at retail outlets will take off or not in the longer run is a different question, but it would make sense to think that would depend on the market penetration of HD capable display devices in the home. Even if it doesn't however, it is the PS3s disc format for games, and in that respect will continue to grow even if it never takes off in the retail video or PC space. Having a proprietary disc format never hurt Nintendo.
You really need to disassociate Sony the electronics company (and SCE) from Sony the music/film/video publishing conglomerate.
1. I don't know why you think that Sony Computer Entertainment has messed up, apart from maybe panicing at Microsoft's early move. Being forced to adopt Blu-ray, if they did do so, wasn't their fault. Reaching for the sky and not getting it?
2. Microsoft were simply too giddy with it all. They really thought that first to market meant winner and rushed it.
3. Design is king? Lets never push the technological envelope again then eh, just the cognitive one?
The only thing I would simply ask from you is that you don't spread technical disinformation.
Classic, the friend of a friend
He told you NOT to get a PS3 for that reason?
Sounds retarded to me... it's his own fault he is a shitty programmer tbh. Find out his name, I'll mail rockstar and ask them to check his programming skills, hopefully they'll fire the retard
I still want to know what kind of person compares Mass Effect to GTA4 and says it isn't story driven
I still want to know what kind of person compares Mass Effect to GTA4 and says it isn't story driven
Did you do that experiment with the AA? Was there any noticeable difference between 2x and 4x?
I still want to know what kind of person compares Mass Effect to GTA4 and says it isn't story driven
In all honesty, I didn't mean that but it came across as I did. Don't care though
In all honesty, I didn't mean that but it came across as I did. Don't care though
You don't care, or don't know?
Not yet no, I haven't had much free time lately. At the moment I'm debating whether or not to head back into the industry, there's a promising position opened up at a London developer. I'm in two minds.
Sony is it?
Go for it lambs, this could be a once in a lifetime opportunity.
Sony is it?
Haha no. I'd never work for someone like Sony or Nintendo, if I go back in I'd want at least some creative input.
Cheers for the encouragement mate! It's not an opportunity of a lifetime, but it's the first job in the industry that has caught my eye for a long while, so I'll see.
Go on, take the job and help create great games and send free copies to people on the Caf (Or just the people you like)
)Go on, take the job and help create great games and send free copies to people on the Caf (Or just the people you like
I could just do that myself. Infact I am at the moment, well will be this weekend when I FINALLY get an office within my place set up...
If you ever need any testers, just give me a shout
sick of this debate
PS3>Xbox
simple
PS3>Xbox
simple
I know how some of you hate this type of thing, so I will not start a new thread, but in the absense of our resident number watcher, it seems that MGS4 has done its job well last month.
Nintendo DS 783k
Wii 667k
PlayStation 3 406k
PSP 337k
Xbox 360 220k
Playstation 2 189k
MGS4 itself sold 775,000 copies excluding hardware bundles.
Data is for USA.
Nintendo DS 783k
Wii 667k
PlayStation 3 406k
PSP 337k
Xbox 360 220k
Playstation 2 189k
MGS4 itself sold 775,000 copies excluding hardware bundles.
Data is for USA.
Nice, MGS4 is a fantastic game so its success is well deserved.
fecking hell why does no one ever talk about Nintendo? 0_o
It's always the benefits of Sony or Microsoft, who deserves the plaudits, but Nintendo are there, too, and they're absolutely shitting on everybody.
It's always the benefits of Sony or Microsoft, who deserves the plaudits, but Nintendo are there, too, and they're absolutely shitting on everybody.
Because it's a different dynamic. The same way that people do not talk about mobile phones and their games, which I'm sure shits all over the lot (not in money terms of course).
You say that, but all three entered the market as competitors. It was supposed to be a three-way fight, and it just isn't. You ask the average gamer and he'll probably think it's a two-way fight now for the top with Microsoft and Sony, because people just don't realise how amazingly successful Nintendo have been here.
I bet Nintendo are sitting there pissing themselves with laughter as their two rivals squabble like children over second place.
I think that's because most gamers are not really interested in what Wii delivers, and I dont think that Wii bothers Microsoft or Sony at all, I think that they expect Wii to open the market, and then those first time gamers will in the medium term migrate to the more powerful system. I'm quite sure that Sony and Microsoft are more concerned about each other.
Also, although it's sad, first to market very rarely wins.
While I agree with you in principle, the reality is for market share the guys at both Sony and Microsoft would definitely consider Nintendo as a big rival. If the Wii wasn't about, bot the other systems would definitely be selling a lot more, especially at the holiday periods.
It's all about market share and for the first time in their history, Nintendo are leading both hardware and software sales. Both Sony and MS would kill for their figures, hence why both are copying ideas. It's all good for the consumer though, more competition drives down our end prices, so long may it continue!
Why haven't Sony or Microsoft come up with a rival movement controller to Nintendo yet? Surely that would go a long way to clawing back the market share?
Not really, because it would be a peripheral. Although Sony's last minute decision to throw in the six-axis thing was a result of the Wii remote.
The main reason such a thing has worked for Nintendo is that it's the main focus, whether good or bad. All games have to support it in one way or another.
No doubt we'll see them on both systems over the next year or so though, so we'll see.
I think it would work if bundled with all new PS2s. That thing is still selling bucket loads. They would need a lot of software though.
imo Wii isn't a competitor to Sony/MS...
Not sure of details of how much each console makes/loses on sales... or about the sale of games etc
Wii seems a more family orientated console, and more the fun factor... I know alot of people who get Wii's and then are pretty bored of them. I've played on one for the last 3 days and found it fun, but nothing there to keep me hooked. I see Nintendo needing to bring another console out alot sooner than MS/Sony.
But yeah, it's not a competition between the 3, as MS/Sony are aiming at a certain market mainly, and the Wii and completely different one.
It's like saying Stella Artois & WKD are direct competitors, one is aiming at wife beaters, the other is aiming at 13yr old girls.
Not sure of details of how much each console makes/loses on sales... or about the sale of games etc
Wii seems a more family orientated console, and more the fun factor... I know alot of people who get Wii's and then are pretty bored of them. I've played on one for the last 3 days and found it fun, but nothing there to keep me hooked. I see Nintendo needing to bring another console out alot sooner than MS/Sony.
But yeah, it's not a competition between the 3, as MS/Sony are aiming at a certain market mainly, and the Wii and completely different one.
It's like saying Stella Artois & WKD are direct competitors, one is aiming at wife beaters, the other is aiming at 13yr old girls.
Lambs is going to love this, but I agree with you.
Good thing neither of you work for Sony then. I doubt very much on a business level they have the same attitude as that.
No, which is why Wii is winning and they are losing shitloads.
Well, they must have worried about them at some point to try and rush into adding a controller feature they thought was similar and may compete.
Why do you think that it was rushed? Because of the boomerang? You don't rush things like that. The only thing it lacks is the pointing which many Wii games don't use in any case.
Doubt it tbh, probably seen the success Nintendo were having and thought "we'll have a bit of that"
Sony know their console is in for the long run, and they can make money off other things over the next 8years or something?The Wii will probably make money for another year or 2 then basically fade out while Nintendo launch another console which brings something new to gaming, but probably with a good gimmick, and bad graphics again
It's nice having those sorta of stocking fillers at christmas time
Well Sony rushed it. Either that or it slipped someone's mind to tell the developers.
Oh and on the pointing, there are more games in my collection that use it than doesn't.
Doubt it tbh, probably seen the success Nintendo were having and thought "we'll have a bit of that"
The Wii will probably make money for another year or 2 then basically fade out while Nintendo launch another console which brings something new to gaming, but probably with a good gimmick, and bad graphics again
It's nice having those sorta of stocking fillers at christmas time
This is so good, I approve.
Most are waggle, come on, what needs pointing?
Doubt it tbh, probably seen the success Nintendo were having and thought "we'll have a bit of that"
Exactly, hence my point.
Sony know their console is in for the long run, and they can make money off other things over the next 8years or something?
The Wii will probably make money for another year or 2 then basically fade out while Nintendo launch another console which brings something new to gaming, but probably with a good gimmick, and bad graphics again
I love this mis-placed thought that Sony won't release another console at the same time as the other two! It does make me chuckle
I love this mis-placed thought that Sony won't release another console at the same time as the other two! It does make me chuckle
They won't. Chuckle as much as you like, there is no need.
Nintendo will be the first next time by quite a long margin. You not seeing this makes me chuckle.
Why must you continually debate on something you obviously no little about? It's a bit hypocritical when you tell others not to do it.
At least play the thing if you are going to try to make such comments about it