Son Heung-Min

Couldnt handle the physicality? That would explain why he was the first name on the team sheet in almost every big match during his time with us. Fergie depended on him. Sad to see his importance is still underrated by some.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
It's not just debate. It's just a bunch of posters putting one idiot in his place.
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Yeah. But the sad fact is that there would be a lot more like him putting forth the same arguments if he was still with us. It's just most don't care now that he's not. Not that I disagree that Park is well past his peak now but in his prime, he was an important player for us and should be rightly lauded as a player who was important for us during a period of great success for the club.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Park played in over 200 games for the club, scored 27 goals, for 7 seasons in an era we were quite successful. He was regular starter in our CL campaigns where we reached like 3 finals.

I think your whole point is quite a bit bollocks..
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You should go though some of the threads about Park. There were similar feelings back then amongst some posters.

He was a good servant to the club and his best period was in the last couple of seasons when he had had several years to get used to the Premiership.

According to Wiki, he played 134 games (I wonder how many as sub?), scored 19 goals but Wiki have been known to get it wrong.
 
Stop digging. You're entitled to your opinion on him but your memory is obviously shocking.

You also tried to involve Kagawa in your original generalisation. What the feck is that about then? hes here a wet week ffs.
 
Decotron said:
Stop digging. You're entitled to your opinion on him but your memory is obviously shocking.

You also tried to involve Kagawa in your original generalisation. What the feck is that about then? hes here a wet week ffs.
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Why? I have to agree with the rose-tinted opinion that most fans here have? And my memory is fine! In the early years he struggled, in his latter years he was good to the point that in some games he was outstanding.

Kagawa, likewise has struggled with Premiership football. That doesn't make him a bad player, just one that needs time to adapt. The Premiership is arguably the most physically demanding of all leagues in the world. If you don't agree with this then perhaps you agree with Sir Alex:

"The difference between German and English football is that in Germany you can’t foul," Sir Alex told The Telegraph. "You are not allowed to touch anyone in Germany, so [Kagawa] has come from that environment to the Premier League which is totally different.

"There is a physicality to our game which is different from Germany, but next year he’ll be better."
 
He is not such a lightweight like Kagawa was. It is not only the size and weight.

He has a higher BMI than e.g. Reus and Müller who do not have any problems to compete on international floor against most teams.

Kagawa had the lowest percentage of duels won of the known offensive midfielders with only 30 to 35 % in his last year in the Bundesliga. At him I really doubted that he is fully equipped for the Premier League.

Son wins 36% of his areal duels and 40.8 % of his floor duels. Too compare with Reus (36% and 44.7) and Müller (53% and 43%). And if you see the number of duels - one every 4.42 minutes (Reus and Müller have one ever 3.2 or 3.4 minutes) he does really go for them. There is a lot offensive midfielders that do not. Reus and Müller's values are about the same like Arjen Robben's last year who did not have any problems in the EPL.

Do not forget that he is only 20. He still will be able to improve that part of play - the other two did.

That being lightweighted is a handicap for the EPL. But Son is better equipped for it than Kagawa is.

"The difference between German and English football is that in Germany you can’t foul," Sir Alex told The Telegraph. "You are not allowed to touch anyone in Germany, so [Kagawa] has come from that environment to the Premier League which is totally different.
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That is rubbish and just does not include that Kagawa already was one of the weakest in Germany. Yes, the EPL is more physical - but Kagawa about had the same problems - but in lesser degree - in Germany.

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I made that comparisons with Reus and Müller because of their "weight" and body. Reus is 180 cm and weighs about 67 to 70 kg. Müller is 186 and has 74 kg. Son 183 cm and weighs 76 kg. Kagawa 172 m, 64 kg.
 
032Devil said:
You should go though some of the threads about Park. There were similar feelings back then amongst some posters.

He was a good servant to the club and his best period was in the last couple of seasons when he had had several years to get used to the Premiership.

According to Wiki, he played 134 games (I wonder how many as sub?), scored 19 goals but Wiki have been known to get it wrong.
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How did you figure that Park was too lightweight? Was Zola lightweight as well? Park's energy was something that we didn't have in our team. He offered us something different to what we've got and his consistency was the reason he started in our biggest game and especially away.

At times he covered 2-3 positions at once. He surely played his part in our success in CL all those years, as he was starter in most of the games. And it is not like we didn't have any options.

those 134 games must have been in EPL apart. You should include all other competitions.

In other words, especially given his transfer fee, Park was definitely a success signing for United.

032Devil said:
Kagawa, likewise has struggled with Premiership football. That doesn't make him a bad player, just one that needs time to adapt. The Premiership is arguably the most physically demanding of all leagues in the world. If you don't agree with this then perhaps you agree with Sir Alex:
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Kagawa is more talented than Park for the matter. Also the transition from one league to another is usually tough. It's not all about physique..

Henry found it hard to adjust to the league in his first half of the season, but afterwards he turned into the best PL player for the last 20 years. Just an example - there are loads - Sheva etc
 


No technical ability, just a hard worker... :rolleyes: That sort of link-up performance, which we saw regularly from Park in the big games, wouldn't have looked atypical coming from the likes of Cazorla or Mata.

As for 'too lightweight', :lol:. Even those who underrated him saw that he handled the physical side of the PL excellently.
 
032Devil said:
You should go though some of the threads about Park. There were similar feelings back then amongst some posters.

He was a good servant to the club and his best period was in the last couple of seasons when he had had several years to get used to the Premiership.

According to Wiki, he played 134 games (I wonder how many as sub?), scored 19 goals but Wiki have been known to get it wrong.
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Wiki didn't get it wrong.

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ciderman9000000 said:
They're wank, mate.
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Whoa, what a great argument. I'm convinced. Screw my own experiences and facts and all that. Random dude 900000000 said they were wank.

Find for me stats about Lothar Matthäus in 1988 or Henning Berg in 1998 without using wikipedia. Try telling me if that was faster than using wiki or more accurate.
 
Snow said:
Whoa, what a great argument. I'm convinced. Screw my own experiences and facts and all that. Random dude 900000000 said they were wank.

Find for me stats about Lothar Matthäus in 1988 or Henning Berg in 1998 without using wikipedia. Try telling me if that was faster than using wiki or more accurate.
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You only have to look two posts up for some poorly depicted wikipedia stats.

More accurate and faster than using wikipedia:
Henning Berg: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/henning-berg/leistungsdaten/spieler_3823.html
Lothar Matthäus: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/lothar-matthaeus/profil/spieler_1527.html

Use a proper website for stats or don't bother. Wikipedia's useless. I can tell you from that site, for example, that in 1988 (the year you enquired of) Lothar Matthäus scored a first half hat trick against Schalke, his eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth goals of the season respectively before being subbed off in the eighty-first minute in place of defender Helmut Winklhofer; despite Schalke getting the opening goal this was Matthäus' highest scoring Bundesliga game with the final result 8-1. The average age of the Munich team that day was 27.4 years.
 
The stats above were right...

Same stats on both of these sites except wiki is faster and their format reads better.

That site is German. Of course it will have more comprehensive information on a German player in a German league. I was talking about in general. In wiki you've got it all in same place. I'll bet you that the guy that updates the info on German players on transfermarkt also does it on wiki.

What's the source given on transfermarkt? I know the sources on wiki.
 
Snow said:
The stats above were right...

Same stats on both of these sites except wiki is faster and their format reads better.

That site is German. Of course it will have more comprehensive information on a German player in a German league. I was talking about in general. In wiki you've got it all in same place. I'll bet you that the guy that updates the info on German players on transfermarkt also does it on wiki.

What's the source given on transfermarkt? I know the sources on wiki.
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Well, consider Henning Berg then in 1998, he's not German. Continuing the theme of high scoring games, the highest scoring league game Berg participated in during the calender year of '98 was United's 4-1 home victory against Charlton on 8th September (attendance 55,147). The goalscorers for United that day were Yorke and Solskjaer, each with a brace. Berg replaced Denis Irwin in the 57th minute. The referee was then 43yo Paul Durkin but he had been quiet game showing no cards that day.
 
Yes. That's normally the stats were looking for. You can find that stat on wiki as well btw.

What you're saying is that transfermarkt is better. Not that wikipedia is shit or useless. You haven't made a point about that at all.
 
Snow said:
Yes. That's normally the stats were looking for. You can find that stat on wiki as well btw.

What you're saying is that transfermarkt is better. Not that wikipedia is shit or useless. You haven't made a point about that at all.
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Wikipedia is shit for stats. It's rudimentary at best.

You challenged:

Find for me stats about Lothar Matthäus in 1988 or Henning Berg in 1998 without using wikipedia. Try telling me if that was faster than using wiki or more accurate.
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I did that with far more speed, intricacy and precision than wikipedia could ever manage.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Wikipedia is shit for stats. It's rudimentary at best.

You challenged:



I did that with far more speed, intricacy and precision than wikipedia could ever manage.
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No, you did it with more speed, intricacy and precision than you could manage on wikipedia. The original query was how many games Park played for United. You won't get that result faster than with wikipedia.

Ctrl+t>F6>w>TAB>ji-sung park

That's it. If you want to find these specific queries that you gave about Matthäus that no one hardly ever wants to find out then transfermarkt is faster but you can still pull out the same stat from wikipedia. You don't even know what the source for transfermarkt is. For all you know they could be heavily relying on wiki.
 
Snow said:
No, you did it with more speed, intricacy and precision than you could manage on wikipedia. The original query was how many games Park played for United. You won't get that result faster than with wikipedia.

Ctrl+t>F6>w>TAB>ji-sung park

That's it. If you want to find these specific queries that you gave about Matthäus that no one hardly ever wants to find out then transfermarkt is faster but you can still pull out the same stat from wikipedia. You don't even know what the source for transfermarkt is. For all you know they could be heavily relying on wiki.
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They don't. They have official data.

Whereas wikipedia is a project that lives of private persons using their freetime...
 
Drifter said:
Manchester United and Chelsea are chasing Hamburg¿s Heung-min Son, says agent


http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8511952/
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Not convinced by Chelsea's involvement.

Phil Vickery has just stated that Chelsea are in for a young Chilean star(Chivas?) who they couldn't agree terms with earlier but are renegotiating an apparently it's close.If this happens I can't see them going for another winger.....just my feeling
 
Only thing I've seen from him is that youtube video, and despite knowing that they can be misleading, he looks like a good talent from it. Very direct player, and a very good finisher. There aren't many Asians in Europe that do that on a decently high stage (German league is that in my opinion).

Wouldn't be too disappointed at all to see him here - but I think it's bullshit. With Zaha on his way, I can't see us signing another winger as well unless one or two are definitely leaving.
 
Christian Cuevas ? They are apparently signing Lazar Markovic who is a striker hybrid too.

They keep signing these young promising players on the cheap and loaning them out. Don't know what their strategy is, because they hardly bring them in into their first team.

They have many talented youngsters on their books already.
 
Cevno said:
Christian Cuevas ? They are apparently signing Lazar Markovic who is a striker hybrid too.

They keep signing these young promising players on the cheap and loaning them out. Don't know what their strategy is, because they hardly bring them in into their first team.

They have many talented youngsters on their books already.
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Quite simple really they either profit or get a good player, not much to lose there
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Not convinced by Chelsea's involvement.

Phil Vickery has just stated that Chelsea are in for a young Chilean star(Chivas?) who they couldn't agree terms with earlier but are renegotiating an apparently it's close.If this happens I can't see them going for another winger.....just my feeling
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The agent says offers have been rejected. It doesnt mean they're still coming in. Thats if he isnt making it up anyway.

Point is Chelsea made a lot of signings in attacking positions, it would be no surprise if he was yet another one they were trying to get before they got others
 
Cevno said:
Christian Cuevas ? They are apparently signing Lazar Markovic who is a striker hybrid too.

They keep signing these young promising players on the cheap and loaning them out. Don't know what their strategy is, because they hardly bring them in into their first team.

They have many talented youngsters on their books already.
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He's the one Vickery was talking about.Apparently a huge talent, so no I don't see Min going to rentboys
 
They'll probably sign both if they want too. Cuevas is still 17, i think so i doubt he is coming into their first team plans soon or maybe even ever given their record.
 
Son is a very tidy player for his age who has been playing more from the wing than through the middle. I would put him in the Welbeck mold in that respect.

I'm not sure where Fergie would play him unless he's Nani's replacement. Even then, and as much as I like Son, it would be a drop in talent. I'd much prefer James Rodriguez.

Maybe we're buying him to sell shirts :nervous:
 
davisjw said:
Son is a very tidy player for his age who has been playing more from the wing than through the middle. I would put him in the Welbeck mold in that respect.

I'm not sure where Fergie would play him unless he's Nani's replacement. Even then, and as much as I like Son, it would be a drop in talent. I'd much prefer James Rodriguez.

Maybe we're buying him to sell shirts :nervous:
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The Megastore has enough staff for that, I think the food and drink stalls could always do with more help though.It's a bugger at half time trying to get served
 
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