Solskjaer's legacy and his future

Simple Answer really.

Not a good coach or manager.

Mad to give him money to spend. Average players playing at the game at top level are deemed world class to him.
 
It’s not a serious question. I said all along, he wouldn’t get another job with a professional football club in this country. Gary Neville wouldn’t have him at Salford in League 2.

But thanks for giving me another opportunity to vent.
 
He looked like he needed a break. Maybe he is not available. Also it's been how many months..? two? this is the type of question you ask when a manager has been out of the job for a year.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Serious question.

Why isn’t he ever even mentioned in any of the recent managerial turnovers? Surely he could do a job at Everton or Watford for example.

When will we see him back in the PL?
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He was/is the victim of a media-led drive to discredit him pretty much from the day he signed on as permanent manager.
 
Probably because he's not actually been interested at all in either of the two jobs.
 
Gandalf said:
That Cardiff team was doomed with or without him but regarding top 4 you are actually completely wrong. He had two full seasons and finished third and second so in fact he proved he is good at getting top 4. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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I should clarify, no good at getting top 4 unless you give him half a billion dollars.
 
Bilbo said:
He was/is the victim of a media-led drive to discredit him pretty much from the day he signed on as permanent manager.
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Couldn’t disagree more! The man was protected for his entire stay, right up to the point it was miles beyond over. His competence was never questioned, he stayed on for free even though the club was doing incredibly bad. Contrary to your opinion, he was protected by the media and former players for being nice and sweet, unlike Mourinho and the likes who get no favors.
 
The hatred here :lol:

We’re a managerial graveyard. No doubt Rangnick’s reputation will be in bits too if he fails.
 
James Peril said:
Couldn’t disagree more! The man was protected for his entire stay, right up to the point it was miles beyond over. His competence was never questioned, he stayed on for free even though the club was doing incredibly bad. Contrary to your opinion, he was protected by the media and former players for being nice and sweet, unlike Mourinho and the likes who get no favors.
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:lol: what delusional world were you living in for the last couple of years?
 
also, @Rhyme Animal , when you say "many recent PL openings" like "Everton or Watford for example ", which others besides the two do you have in mind?
 
James Peril said:
Couldn’t disagree more! The man was protected for his entire stay, right up to the point it was miles beyond over. His competence was never questioned, he stayed on for free even though the club was doing incredibly bad. Contrary to your opinion, he was protected by the media and former players for being nice and sweet, unlike Mourinho and the likes who get no favors.
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What other manager would ever have been so widely described as a PE teacher whilst sitting in 2nd place in the table? His competency was not only questioned but worse, never actually taken seriously at all.
 
Bilbo said:
He was/is the victim of a media-led drive to discredit him pretty much from the day he signed on as permanent manager.
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this + he's not English. So he'll need to build up reputation somewhere else in Europe before he gets a chance in the PL.
 
He's still on gardening leave from United, we're paying his wages until the end of the season unless he takes a new job. So like most smart people, he's probably waiting that out
 
Bilbo said:
What other manager would ever have been so widely described as a Ole Ole Ole I love you whilst sitting in 2nd place in the table? His competency was not only questioned but worse, never actually taken seriously at all.
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Seems you're not allowed to type a certain phrase on here anymore :lol:
 
11101 said:
I should clarify, no good at getting top 4 unless you give him half a billion dollars.
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Ah, the classic moving the goalposts trick. Not sure of your Maths there mate as he achieved a 3rd place finish in his first season with a net spend of 155M Euro. If you look at every transfer when he was at the club the total net spend rises to 327M Euro but 110M of that was at the start of this season and as he was sacked before Christmas you will never know where he would have ended up this year. So two top 4 finishes managed with significantly less than half a billion dollars and the only back to back top 4 finishes since the time of SAF. I am not saying he is a great Manager but it is a fact that there are worse Managers in the PL right now.
 
Utd heap said:
Some of you lot actually genuinely dislike him dont you?

Weird.
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:lol:

Apparently there are 40 replies to this thread. I can only see about half of those and most of those are reasonable. Caf is actually a decent place when you've got the right people on ignore.
 
Amarsdd said:
this + he's not English. So he'll need to build up reputation somewhere else in Europe before he gets a chance in the PL.
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He was never taken seriously, in the main, because he wasn't a good public speaker. By far his biggest failing as a manager. We had our own fans tearing him apart for what he was saying about passion & energy in his press conferences, when that was exactly what we could all see this team was lacking. Rangnicks comments on our play have been largely a carbon copy of that and nobody minds.
 
romufc said:
Narrative FC.

Was the Cardiff team outside the relegation zone when he took over?

Must mean Jose is same as Ole cause he was given the world and failed.
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They were 17th I think, when he left they were 17th in the Championship. The reality is he did a lot of decent things at United but not enough to get one of the better jobs while his record at Cardiff was so poor that a team looking for a firefighter wouldn't appoint him, he has no track record of being the man for that job. The problem he has as well is that in the way he manages and the way he speaks he's very old school so even midtable clubs like Crystal Palace looking to be more modern and progressive wouldn't go for Ole so I'm not sure where in the league he fits.
 
It's only been a month, and if he's smart he will bide his time rather than getting himself into another Cardiff situation.

Lampard has been out of work for a year.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
A combination of not being English and everyone just remembering the bad bits of his reign with his sacking still in the fairly recent past.

Would have been interesting if he had a Europa League trophy to his name though.
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If he had won the Europa League he’d most likely still be here.
 
He should be mentioning racism towards Norwegians as the reason no club is after him, I am sure some would be pressured into hiring him.
 
RORY65 said:
They were 17th I think, when he left they were 17th in the Championship. The reality is he did a lot of decent things at United but not enough to get one of the better jobs while his record at Cardiff was so poor that a team looking for a firefighter wouldn't appoint him, he has no track record of being the man for that job. The problem he has as well is that in the way he manages and the way he speaks he's very old school so even midtable clubs like Crystal Palace looking to be more modern and progressive wouldn't go for Ole so I'm not sure where in the league he fits.
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More old school than Roy Hodgson?
 
Annihilate Now! said:
A combination of not being English and everyone just remembering the bad bits of his reign with his sacking still in the fairly recent past.

Would have been interesting if he had a Europa League trophy to his name though.
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This. I sometimes wonder what else hinged on us just saving one of their 23 fecking penalties. I was dying for us to win something under him but it wasn’t to be.
 
He’s simply not good enough to coach in the EPL. Should go back to Norway and start their again because that seemed to be his level.
 
Gandalf said:
Ah, the classic moving the goalposts trick. Not sure of your Maths there mate as he achieved a 3rd place finish in his first season with a net spend of 155M Euro. If you look at every transfer when he was at the club the total net spend rises to 327M Euro but 110M of that was at the start of this season and as he was sacked before Christmas you will never know where he would have ended up this year. So two top 4 finishes managed with significantly less than half a billion dollars and the only back to back top 4 finishes since the time of SAF. I am not saying he is a great Manager but it is a fact that there are worse Managers in the PL right now.
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You don't need to move the goalposts when a manager comes to a club with a bank balance likes ours and leaves us in the state we now find ourselves in.

I would struggle to see a single positive in appointing him if I were another Premier League club owner.
 
Samid said:
:lol:

Apparently there are 40 replies to this thread. I can only see about half of those and most of those are reasonable. Caf is actually a decent place when you've got the right people on ignore.
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I mean if you don't rate him then fine, have your rant. But some to actually despise / have some kind of vendetta against him.

It's Ole FFS!
 
Amar__ said:
He should be mentioning racism towards Norwegians as the reason no club is after him, I am sure some would be pressured into hiring him.
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Unlikely. Just look at how few managers in the PL are English you could more justified say there's racism against english managers. And this might be part of the problem, a lot of former english players became bad coaches and don't get any more manager jobs. Ole might be on the same category as Keane or Neville in that regard as he spent a lot of his career in England.
 
lefty_jakobz said:
If he had won the Europa League he’d most likely still be here.
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I'm not sure he would. The season was spiralling out of control and it was right that he was fired. He'd have had a little more credit in the bank from winning the EL, but not enough I fear.

I would love to have seen how an alternate reality where we didn't sign Ronaldo would have played out (not that I'm blaming Ronnie for the season - he just wasn't part of the plan).
 
James Peril said:
These clubs would probably hire Fred the Red before talking to Solskjær, that’s how extremely bad he was. In all seriousness, and I am sure your thread isn’t, Solskjær’s gig is up and he will never get such a job again in England. If he for some reason did, because Hodgson isn’t exactly inspiring or remotely successful himself, his incompetence would shine through even more.
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Is that the reason, though?

Many terrible managers keep getting jobs in the PL. Feckin Lampard is being talked about for the Everton job.

Has he moved home to Norway yet? I can't see why he'd want to manage another English club. Other clubs would hold very little attraction after not making it at United (especially in the short term, we all saw how much he aged at United) and he's got enough money that he isn't under any pressure to work.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
More old school than Roy Hodgson?
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No but Roy Hodgson dragged Fulham and Palace out of trouble, he has the track record to give you confidence in him to keep you up if that's all the aim is for now (Ole didn't manage that at Cardiff). I was talking about more midtable clubs like Palace who feel like they're going round in circles and want to modernise (it happened admittedly unsuccessfully at Stoke a few years ago when they moved on from Pulis) but that's not what Ole is, so he's not a great fit for there, he's not getting one of the top jobs and he has no track record of keeping clubs up. It doesn't leave many options.
 
I’m going to try and approach this question objectively as possible.

1) He is not a high level coach, which immediately would bring up some red flags. Coaching seems to have become a very big factor in football these days with the rise of sports science. Man-management seems to have taken a backseat to coaching these days. Coaching players to play a certain way and making them disciplined is more important than motivating them and telling them to just do it.

2) He doesn’t seem to have a good network of coaches to tap into, judging by the fact he didn’t change any of the original coaching staff from the Jose Mourinho regime. It was basically ancillary coaches from the Ferguson days like Phelan, Hartis and Dempsey… and while it’s a meme on the site, Ralf in the nicest possible way said that he doesn’t know what Phelan did/does at Utd

3) He doesn’t seem to have a good knowledge of the player market for transfers and it seems very limited. At Utd, he bought the obvious choices (Maguire, AWB, Sancho) and took a punt from his former associates (Giggs recommended James). At Cardiff, he tapped into the Utd academy (his old stomping ground) and bought in a bunch of players from Norway (where he had been previously)… and also some downright weird transfers, like spending £40m on someone who never plays even though he surely okayed the deal (I understand Utd have a more committee mindset to transfers since Jose but surely he has input into transfers since he’ll be the one using them)

4) He cannot implement a clear, competent style of play. He talked the talk but either he isnt good enough at implementing the system he wanted with his coaches or he straight up lied… some of his decisions contradicted themselves. He wanted to play high line but buys the slow Maguire for £80m. He wanted to use full backs as integral to attack but buys AWB who is by no means a great attacker.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Even if we went on the same run this season? I'm not so sure... hard to survive that Watford battering regardless.
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That might not have happened if he had won the EL. Losing that final got him the "he is not good enough" verdict from many people who so far had no issues with him.
 
He might get a job at one of Mate Fc club. Salford or Miami fc. other than that, I would love see him apply his trade in the championship. Overlooking his spell at United, his spell at Cardiff was really bad. He bought in tons of players and their football was poor. He seems like a person who won the lottery and somehow ended up as a manager
 
Because he is not English. He is no worse than your Arteta or Lampard and in fact will do a better job in some other country.
 
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