I would snap someones hand off for 4th place now. 100%
Solskjaer target 5 signings; 6 players could leave [BBC, Telegraph, Guardian]
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Sorry I didnt mean literally release them. I meant just sell them for whatever you can get. Even if its almost nothing. Taking Sanchez for example, id sell him for absolutely no fee. Just to get him off the books. No point keeping the deadwood around in my opinion. Get rid and invest in what we do need, ie a midfielder.
He has to be willing to take a pay cut though. If we make him available for free he still needs to find a club that will match his current wages and that does not appear likely. We have no indication from the player he is willing to take a pay cut to move which is our only hope at this point and so probably getting rid of him means no transfer fee which involves writing off his value in our accounts and even then having to continue to subsidise anything up to 80% of his wages at his new club.
It would be a very risky strategy not to bring in more players after the debacle of last season. I've said all along that I think we will bring in 4 players in total and I still think we might but it's entirely possible that we could have another repeat of what happened at the end of last season if we don't. We've added a very good right back and a young squad player as a winger, our fitness levels will almost certainly be better and we can hope for the kids to improve. That's not an awful lot though in terms of change and we're very lucky Chelsea and Arsenal aren't doing more.
As would I regarding first point in bold, fecking absolutely, anything just to get him to feck off. Regarding second point in bold, we all know this but we've given them such high wages it is making it difficult to get rid of them as no-one is as stupid as us to pay them what they are on in the first place
I would take that as well, as long as Ed realises you then have to push on and improve the squad further. A cup would be nice as well.
I think the point you make in bold is of the utmost importance. We know this is a rebuild I know and it's going to take more than one summer but we need to see positive progression from Woody. I am willing to be patient but there is a limit to anyone's patience and the way we are going we are going to be falling further behind the top teams.
Football needs to change somehow. Players get a huge contract then just sit there till it finishes and move on for free. I dont blame them but its completely screws up the clubs - see Bale as an example as well as us and other clubs. I dont see an easy solution but I am tired of the same players year in year out that wont move.
If the clubs are stupid enough to do this, then it's on them isn't it?
That thread went well.
But the club agree that contract as well at the same time. It's obviously more of a risk to the club than it is for the player - hugely in some cases, especially when you add potential injuries into the mix (forgetting insurance for the minute, because there is still no output on the investment). Regarding Bale, if I was him I would ask the club to either see out the contract they agreed to, or pay it off in a lump sum. It may even be possible to include this into an original contract, with both parties agreeing; that in the event of a stale-mate, or lack of output, that both parties agree (during the contract phase) what would happen in such circumstances.
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That wasn't my point, we know that Ole can't force the Glazers & Ed to anything they don't want to, it's just grinding hearing all this crap time about 'building gradually', 'focusing on youth', 'only signing players that are deemed right,' etc.
I'm not saying it's the wrong thing to do, but fans aren't mugs, Ed is still there, so are we supposed to believe he is suddenly capable of doing this, or having the patience when we are flayling around in 6 th place, and the media, sponsors, fans, have all seen enough, it just won't happen, as it has been proven time and again that you just do not get the time to do this without getting results at the same time.
So I hope Ole is pushing hard for a couple more players or he'll stand no chance, but if he is to follow the same path as the other managers then I do think this time it'll be different.
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I agree with your sentiment and would hope that more fans see the truth, that Ed and Glazers are failing us big time and that you can only blame the managers upto a point. There are still many who feel that the owners and Ed have supported the managers as much as they could.
The issue is that as soon as we start losing again, the fans will turn on Ole and you will hear calls for sacking him on these boards (the OT supporters seem to be more patient), the press pick up on this and write more negative stuff to increase viewership, and this negativity ends in us sacking the manager. Ed and glazers get one more reprieve, they select a new fall guy, there is renewed hope, and it all starts again without anything changing at the top, where change is most needed.
Ole faces the press, answers for our transfer failures even thought it is not his fault, talks about youth and progress to maintain positivity, and fans here call him the ‘Yes man’. A legend like him doesn't deserve to be disrespected like that.
That Fred Matic pivot today should be enough evidence for anyone that we need a CM. feck me
The signings so far have done very well, and a few are showing bigger promise like Andreas and McT, but we need to sign more quality this window. We’ll fall too far behind the rest.
You sum up perfectly. The moment we lose 2 or 3 games , fans will turn on Ole. Woodward will still be here continuing to stink up this place.
great post. Agree 100%.
I do think most sensible fans recognise that Woodward is the route cause of our issues but it’s what we are going to do about it?!
I’m not even that mad at the glazers as I appreciate we are run like a business and are not state run. in fairness to them, we do spend money. As I have said before though, we fecking waste so much on so many shite players on ducking ridiculous wages.
Laurel and hardy at the back, year after year.
It’s pure incompetence.
As would I regarding first point in bold, fecking absolutely, anything just to get him to feck off. Regarding second point in bold, we all know this but we've given them such high wages it is making it difficult to get rid of them as no-one is as stupid as us to pay them what they are on in the first place
We pay them too much then don’t we. I’m sure we would be able to shift some of them. Plus why the feck would anyone who has ever watched Jones play, give him a new 4 year deal. He should have gone at the end for year. For nothing.
Need a right sided attacker and another midfielder. And a center back.
3 signings at least. I don't know if we'll even get another signing in.
3 signings at least. I don't know if we'll even get another signing in.
Totally agree with all your post. That is exactly why I've been thinking. I hope that you are right with the point in bold. Hopefully he will not be here until the end of the 4 years.
If the report stating that the Idrissa Gueye to PSG deal was halted briefly because we made a late enquiry is actually true...
We could literally go into the last week and make some very strange decisions despite Ole saying we're sticking to our main targets (whoever the F they are), I get the feeling we could be looking at yet another Moyes-esque scramble.
We could literally go into the last week and make some very strange decisions despite Ole saying we're sticking to our main targets (whoever the F they are), I get the feeling we could be looking at yet another Moyes-esque scramble.
Woodward has in no way helped his manager.
Awful preparation for the new season.
Awful preparation for the new season.
Yeah,notice how Ole bigged up the first half CM partnership but talked about lacking control in the second.
He knows Pogba needs better but will the woodpecker deliver it in the next two weeks.
less than 2 weeks until deadline.... I am so frustrated that United still has not signed any big name.
I am more frustrated that we didn't sell any player. "Many players will not be here". What a joke that was
We can still shift players after the window has closed for us and when it comes to the likes of Darmian and Rojo we don't need replacements. Whether anyone's willing to take them is another story.
Oh and Ole never said many, he said some. If you had actually listened to his pressers you would have known he never planned on making wholesale changes. He's always said this was a long term project. It's just something you lot got in your heads. You got your hopes up based on nothing and now you're disappointed. What a surprise.
Agree
it is probably cheaper to give him a contract than buy a new defender?
Looking more and more likely we won't be spending what is needed as the top just wants to milk it's cow dry
From what i am reading Pogba won’t be here in a few weeks. Neither will Lukaku.
And I think Maguire, Savic and Fernandes will be united players in the next weeks. Leaves it a bit thin on the top, but then again. Martiall is developing a new craft, isn’t he!?
And I think Maguire, Savic and Fernandes will be united players in the next weeks. Leaves it a bit thin on the top, but then again. Martiall is developing a new craft, isn’t he!?
No idea what makes you think Pogba won’t be around. Of course he will, he is the main player we have. Lukaku probably won’t, hopefully Darmian and perhaps Rojo or Jones either
Either a transfer blitz is coming or a big storm is on the way for the board. Interesting few weeks ahead...
If all doesn’t go to plan could the OT crowd please remember who we are and act accordingly and show dissent towards the club (not the players or manager) please?
If all doesn’t go to plan could the OT crowd please remember who we are and act accordingly and show dissent towards the club (not the players or manager) please?
Because it’s the only reason I see signing Savic. They are very similar players, and no point having two of them.
There are people still hoping for a top 4 or top 6 finish.
There were times during the latter part of last season when I thought we looked like "relegation battle" material. Obviously on paper we look good enough to challenge for a CL spot but the team's mentality appeared to be SO broken at times that I genuinely worry how far we can fall if we suffer another run of defeats.
There were times during the latter part of last season when I thought we looked like "relegation battle" material. Obviously on paper we look good enough to challenge for a CL spot but the team's mentality appeared to be SO broken at times that I genuinely worry how far we can fall if we suffer another run of defeats.
wouldn't be the best but if we sign SMS, sign Maguire, sell lukaku and sign Pepe we would ensure top 4.
Love how SMS is now popular on here again, sure that wasn’t the case at the start of the summer.
At the start of the summer we were hoping for Sancho, De Ligt and Felix.
Now we’re looking at Maguire, Longstaff
Savic is much better than what we have. When we play Fred, Pereira, Matic and Lingard, certainly SMS can easily fit in the team instead of any of those
Agreed and if my aunt had a moustache she'd be my uncle.
I'd be happy with the activity you describe but it's not based on much reality. Other than media gossip there has been nothing to link us to SMS. Maguire's bid has been rejected by Leicester and you would assume we are at a point where we either pay the asking price or move on, the only team linked with Lukaku are miles off our valuation and Pepe only seems to be linked with us if Lukaku leaves and that doesn't take into account that Napoli are reported to have made a bid for him too.
We'll probably get Maguire and that's it and then be fed the line that the rebuild is a "long term process".
I think SMS and Dembele/Ben Yedder are lined up in case Pogba/Lukaku go but in relation to Pogba the first choice would be he stays, if he does go, then SMS will get pushed through, if Pogba stays that deal won't happen, same for the Lukaku replacements.
I can see Maguire and probably Longstaff happening and that will be us, few of the kids promoted and hopefully a few of the deadwood like Darmian/Rojo sold.
It will be interesting to see how Sanchez does if this new style of press is the way forward, a lot more openings opportunities being created, might actually see the Sanchez we thought we had bought, won't hold my breath though!
I can see Maguire and probably Longstaff happening and that will be us, few of the kids promoted and hopefully a few of the deadwood like Darmian/Rojo sold.
It will be interesting to see how Sanchez does if this new style of press is the way forward, a lot more openings opportunities being created, might actually see the Sanchez we thought we had bought, won't hold my breath though!
I feel that the reason for delay is purely because we dont have the money to spend on transfers like Ed say's we do. I am guessing we are waiting on players to leave to bid on others. Not sure if there is a certain time and strategy for bids or any restrictions on how many bids we can make etc.. But my guess is this
Out Lukaku 75M ----> in Maguire 70+ add on's
Out Pogba 150M ----> in Savic + Bruno
Add Longstaff for 25M potentially and that brings our net spend to 100M ( AWB + James+Longstaff). The rumors that we have 100M to spend kinda makes sense now!
Out Lukaku 75M ----> in Maguire 70+ add on's
Out Pogba 150M ----> in Savic + Bruno
Add Longstaff for 25M potentially and that brings our net spend to 100M ( AWB + James+Longstaff). The rumors that we have 100M to spend kinda makes sense now!