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What he said shouldnt be taken seriously. Its what you see game after game that matters.
It’s an expression for God sake. But yeah football boils down to some very basic stuff so I’d say it is a simple game.
I’m sure his team are giving tactics out and he gets paid for delegating them amongst other things which I know a lot of people have a problem with.
I can be critical of Ole too but this is a weird thing to get upset by. He literally doesn’t have to explain his tactics to anyone except his players so I can see why he gave this answer.
I’m not convinced he didn’t get what he wanted.What on earth do you expect him to say?
Oh yeah our midfield is utter shite, I didn't get what I wanted so I'm stuck with them for another year? Throw everyone under the bus? Demand new players? What seriously do you expect him to say. Whilst keeping the players that we do have and their morals up and wanting to play for Man Utd. SAF spoke in waffle and mystery too. Get over it, Ole is here to stay for the time being.
The temptation is always to say ‘oh that’s just Ole being diplomatic, keeping his cards close to his chest, etc.’ but the stark reality is he brought Lingard back, despite him being a valuable transfer commodity who could’ve generated much-needed funds to shore up central midfield, and he has played him a fair amount already, and will no doubt continue to do so, even though it’s blatantly obvious that he’s nowhere near the required the level. Maybe it’s time to admit that the same applies to Ole.
So will you put your toys back in the pram and stop being such a drama Queen if Ole comes out next time and says Jesse is proper shit and we can't wait for his fecking contract to expire? Ole has been following the SAF approach to pressers since he got here, never throw anyone under the bus and never give the press any real details, press conferences are a chore to be got through not an opportunity to blather on about your amazing tactical gifts whilst stroking your ego. I swear, every one of these threads is full of people acting like they have never heard Ole speak before.
Those two things are very similar though? If you explain that, you ARE giving away tactical secrets? And it's a press conference... Ole has answered every question at every one like a politician. Straight bat, nothing of interest.I would expect someone in his position to explain how he would like us to play and what he is doing to effect that change. He doesn't have to give away tactical secrets doing that, but he should be able to articulate our issues retaining the ball and what is being done to address it.
But no, we get the winners spiel. It's like listen to Paul Merson on Soccer Saturday.
Not if he's not getting offers elsewhere
I didn’t mention passion and desire anywhere but if that’s one of Ole’s ethos then I’m happy with that. He didn’t seem to need much of a philosophy beating Pep, Touchel and other great mangers consistently.Not upset at all by what he said. I look at the performances and results. I was more replying to you kinda making it sound like anything beyond passion and desire is for hipsters when clearly there is a lot more to good management than that.
Anyway, all good and I think it’s semantics at this point which is boring.
What he said shouldnt be taken seriously. Its what you see game after game that matters.
You’ve gotta admit that as our squad has improved over the years, some patterns remained constant. Inability to deal with deep defences often, weird in-game management, and the one that personally drives me crazy, a complete lack of emphasis on our possession play. He’s built a team that is very suited for quick transitions and counterattacks and we seem to be poor at other aspects of the game.
Do people go over the top after a loss? Yes, but for many, it’s because they see the same patterns from previous losses repeating.
He definitely gives the impression of someone just trying to coast through them without giving too much ammunition for the vultures.Those two things are very similar though? If you explain that, you ARE giving away tactical secrets? And it's a press conference... Ole has answered every question at every one like a politician. Straight bat, nothing of interest.
Maybe he hates them and is just doing the minimum. Maybe he doesn't like the questions. I've got no idea (neither has anyone else) and the onfield results do and should, mean far more. We need a result v West Ham.
And I'm fine with the Ole Out style comments but a Paul Merson comparison? Too far... too far.
People said he didnt want to get philosophical by giving that straight answer but the talk about passion and being in a team is as philosophical as anything. Add great personality and youd think its Brendan talking."Football is a simple game. It's passion, desire, who wants to win that tackle, who wants to get on the end of crosses. It's not about intricacies".
^ His actual quotes from today.
I don't think this is an outlook that will work when squaring up against Pep, Klopp, Tuchel.
I'd like to be wrong of course but it's not filling me with confidence in year 4 and 0 trophies.
The scenes here if Jose had told that"Football is a simple game. It's passion, desire, who wants to win that tackle, who wants to get on the end of crosses. It's not about intricacies".
^ His actual quotes from today.
I don't think this is an outlook that will work when squaring up against Pep, Klopp, Tuchel.
I'd like to be wrong of course but it's not filling me with confidence in year 4 and 0 trophies.
Then he should've been told unequivocally that he didn't have a place in the first team and would be training / playing with the U-23s. Freezing him out would've put pressure on him to leave.Lingard didn't want to leave.
Because we dont really know whats going on behind the scene. There is a chance he only said whats needed to be said or he didnt really prepare for that type of question so he started rambling. Most managers are bullshitters anyway. The performances we see over a long period of time however, is a reflection of the work behind the scene. I think thats fair.I just don't understand this take, which has been very popular since Ole took over, and was not held aloft by anyone prior to Ole taking over. Of course it matters. It mattered when he talked down our chances when we were top of the table midway through last season. It matters when he's navigated the Pogba situation (really well) in the press. It all matters. And how he responded to the question of what his vision is, he really did himself no favours as it will be quoted relentlessly until he either moves up a level or loses his job.
I would've been delighted if Jose said anything that wasn't throwing players or the club under the busThe scenes here if Jose had told that
Now many are brushing it under the "He is not going to spill his tactics in a presser" carpet
Because we dont really know whats going on behind the scene. There is a chance he only said whats needed to be said or he didnt really prepare for that type of question so he started rambling. Most managers are bullshitters anyway. The performances we see over a long period of time however, is a reflection of the work behind the scene. I think thats fair.
That would be an upgrade - right now I think its ally mccoist.People said he didnt want to get philosophical by giving that straight answer but the talk about passion and being in a team is as philosophical as anything. Add great personality and youd think its Brendan talking.
There's nothing to explain. It's all out there on the pitch. If we lose it's because we didn't "want it more". That's his philosophy.Watch the Ole-outers freak out about this. Nothing to see here. He's clearly not interested in trying to explain his tactical approach in public, and that's fair enough.
Because we dont really know whats going on behind the scene. There is a chance he only said whats needed to be said or he didnt really prepare for that type of question so he started rambling. Most managers are bullshitters anyway. The performances we see over a long period of time however, is a reflection of the work behind the scene. I think thats fair.
I've always liked his approach to pressers, but this is a weird one.
What is he trying to say here?
We tried in the game, which is important?
Intention? We went out with the intention to win the game and that's what matters?
You can have all the intention in the world, but hypothetically if you're losing 10 games in a row all that intent means jack squat.
Also, he's a Manchester United manager.
He is judged on the style on football and ability to deliver trophies. Obtaining the right outcomes are vital in reaching that point. It's about playing attractive football and winning. We're not Spurs ffs.
I do not like this aspect of his interview one bit. It's shambolic.
I see a lot of people didn’t like his response to that. at first look I don’t either but then I think that the season has started so he’s hardly going to say “I really want to ship McFred out, Pogba wants out, so does Jesse, I didn’t even want VdB and lastly I didn’t have any budget left.. I felt Sancho, Varane were players we couldn’t miss out on, then Ronaldo happened but that didn’t cost us much up front”Solskjaer asked about midfield and his 'philosophy'
"I’m not here to explain every single detail of how I want my team to play. We want central midfielder who can play. Today’s football is about he’s a good 6, 8, 10 back in the day you had proper midfielders, Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Bryan Robson. You see players out there who can attack and defend and that’s what we look for, midfielders who are complete and we try to develop that in our midfield.
It's a balance between with how many you commit forward and how you defend because one little mistake and there’s a counter attack towards you.
Overarching philosophy… I don’t sit here and claim and talk... football is a simple game and it's about making good decisions and being in a team.
Sometimes we look too much into the all intricacies and it’s passion, it's desire - who wants to win the ball? Which one of the striker has the desire to get on the end of crosses?
You can talk about all sorts, it looks nice on paper. But when you go out on that pitch, it's who wants to win, that’s one of the big things. You want winners and I think I’m getting there with my team, team players."
Yeah agreed, I was so done with Mou by third season. I feel like the level of discontent now is highest it's been, patience seems to have run out for most. WHUM is crucial.
What does this even mean? Does he have the player or not? I cant decide whether he is calling every midfielder shit or they are good.Solskjaer asked about midfield and his 'philosophy'
"I’m not here to explain every single detail of how I want my team to play. We want central midfielder who can play. Today’s football is about he’s a good 6, 8, 10 back in the day you had proper midfielders, Roy Keane, Paul Scholes, Bryan Robson. You see players out there who can attack and defend and that’s what we look for, midfielders who are complete and we try to develop that in our midfield.
It's a balance between with how many you commit forward and how you defend because one little mistake and there’s a counter attack towards you.
Overarching philosophy… I don’t sit here and claim and talk... football is a simple game and it's about making good decisions and being in a team.
Sometimes we look too much into the all intricacies and it’s passion, it's desire - who wants to win the ball? Which one of the striker has the desire to get on the end of crosses?
You can talk about all sorts, it looks nice on paper. But when you go out on that pitch, it's who wants to win, that’s one of the big things. You want winners and I think I’m getting there with my team, team players."
I see a lot of people didn’t like his response to that. at first look I don’t either but then I think that the season has started so he’s hardly going to say “I really want to ship McFred out, Pogba wants out, so does Jesse, I didn’t even want VdB and lastly I didn’t have any budget left.. I felt Sancho, Varane were players we couldn’t miss out on, then Ronaldo happened but that didn’t cost us much up front”
instead he made shit up on the spot. Can’t blame him for that
Ridiculous post. Pep is on a different planet compared to Ole. Pep develops players individually and collectively. He has won top trophies wherever he went. Ole so far has been a serial bottler in the prem. Despite having had one of the best squads in the league he has won nothing. Not even a league cup. In CL his results are quite shite, and he even crumbled in an EL final despite having a much better squad. Pep has proven time and again that he is a world class manager, while Solskjaer is a nobody in managers world. The day Guardiola leaves City will be celebrated by all their main competitors, while having Ole managing United will continue to be a pure joy for City, Chelsea and Liverpool fans.I think Ole has a clear tactical plan and you would have to be the most blinkered Ole out supporter to not recognize how he has improved and developed the younger players here during his reign. Pep has had great success but has never walked into a difficult job or a rebuild. I do agree that Ole struggles with in game adjustments sometimes but most Managers do as it can be tough to switch game plans in the heat of the moment although admittedly Tuchel seems to make it look simple.
Okay, then fair enough on the first part, which I didn't see, but I can't agree on the second. Ultimately, you're a manager and your job is to win football matches.He was asked specifically about getting praise after Leeds/Newcastle to the doom and gloom after the other night. That led him to speak about journalists over-analysing everything and he was saying it's never as bad or as good as it's made out to be. For, example the win over Leeds wasn't a sign that we were going to win the league and the loss against Young Boys doesn't mean we're shit, although he said they did not play well or to their usual standard.
He is saying that what they do on the training ground and the process is important and that's what they concentrate on. They go out with the intention of playing a certain way and with a certain attitude and he's making decisions and substitutions with the intention of affecting the game positively. You trust the process and if the process is good then results will come.
These things don't always work out and you are judged based on the outcome. If the result is bad then the decisions are deemed to have been bad and if the result is good then the decisions are deemed to have been good when that's not always the case.
If I cast my mind back to last season, we had a poor start but I feel people were less ready to give up on him. Finishing 2nd way off the top doesn't really offset losing more semis, the final loss against Villarreal and then seeing a rival hire a known manager and immediately win the CL...I don't know just a feeling I have that it's going to be unbearable if we don't beat WHUM.Surely people don’t believe that. Most United fans are loving the job Ole is doing.
So he had one bad result now.
And no, it's not like you are automatically fired if you lose 4-5 matches.
Ole is super safe in his job, even if the Caf is absolutely bonkers.
Sorry to break it to you.
The one big hope left is the reminder that Klopp lost about 3 or 4 finals with Liverpool before his breakout win.
You only have to look at our squad now versus when he arrived to see we've taken some big steps. It's just that one last huge step to a win that's of course a different gear entirely.
Especially when this will be the highest quality top 4 since the famed "big 4" days.
Ridiculous post. Pep is on a different planet compared to Ole. Pep develops players individually and collectively. He has won top trophies wherever he went. Ole so far has been a serial bottler in the prem. Despite having had one of the best squads in the league he has won nothing. Not even a league cup. In CL his results are quite shite, and he even crumbled in an EL final despite having a much better squad. Pep has proven time and again that he is a world class manager, while Solskjaer is a nobody in managers world. The day Guardiola leaves City will be celebrated by all their main competitors, while having Ole managing United will continue to be a pure joy for City, Chelsea and Liverpool fans.
Because Ole rates him. If Ole told him; i don't count on you, he would have left. Now we 100% know that Ole is the reasonLingard didn't want to leave.
Top quote is; who wants win more, wins.Those philosophy quotes are absolutely tragic!
"I want winners".
"Midfielders back in the day".
"Simple game".
Shocking.
Name me an elite manager who would talk like that.
We're literally paying a passion merchant here folks, to be manager of the best club in the world.
Okay, then fair enough on the first part, which I didn't see, but I can't agree on the second. Ultimately, you're a manager and your job is to win football matches.
All good and well having the right attitude and so on, but you've still gotta win, especially at a club of this magnitude.
As for the process, the trust is given with a goal coming into sight. You would have to say that this year requires him to bear fruition on the goals allocated to him with that trust.
The reason I'm conflicted on his statement here is that in the post match interview he said we played well, which didn't sit right with me. We were awful.
In my opinion, for the first time, it's coming across that he appears a bit rattled. I could be wrong, but the pressure on him to build on the past this season is absolutely immense. Nothing like what he's experienced before.