Then you're ignorant yourself. If you moved into a new environment and suddenly found out having breakfast in the morning is considered morally unacceptable and then decided, ok, I will stop eating breakfast despite it being what I grew up with, then nobody with any sense would attack you for having had breakfast before.
Solskjær press conference vs West Ham (A)
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So, I guess, if you move to a country where female genital mutilation is an acceptable local tradition, you'd be fine, even get your daughter through that?
No space for morals, principles and integrity in your life, right?
The fact that a group of people (even a country, or a region) accepts something doesn't mean it is right.
You're now talking about physical victims which brings a different dimension. The fact you're so rigid and can't see that is crazy. Just going to put you on ignore because you seem like you're just here to try and bait people.
The fact that you think normalisation of racial slurs is fine as long as people are used to it... You do know that the same was true in almost every society around the world before a bit of compassion resulted in some enlightenment
Well that escalated quickly......
Anyway...back on topic...is it not a simple as this..Pep,Klopp,Tuchel,Naglesman,Conte,Sarri, Beilsa, Allegri, Simone, Mourinho, Poch...Etc(Top level coaches) All have a tactical identity...for better or worse, successful or not...some fans,myself included, just like watching their team playing good football most of the time and hoping that leads to titles.Ole looks hit and hope at best. He has now said openly he thinks that too much is made of tactical aptitude as opposed to desire and effort.
Maybe success can be achieved this way- Mourinho has a distinct style, he wins things but Jesus is it awful to watch.I wouldn’t want to win the league playing Mourinho style bus parking against every top team; opposing fans and managers saying “ we know what way they play, men behind the ball and their best quality is -speed”. That was Man Utd for sure under Mourinho and still to an extent under Ole against top teams. We have a squad that could be better than it is. Ole has shown no sign of improvement in three years. Throughout his tenure it’s a lotto every matchday figuring out what we are gonna see. There does not seem to be a plan outside our brilliant counter attacking setup. If that is Ole’s strength then I for one would love to see a more creative coach join the team.
if we had Simone, fans would know what they had and could say yes - defensive football but good chance of trophies. If we had Bielsa fans could say exciting high intensity football but we ain’t winning a sausage. Then it’s a straightforward debate- you either like it or you don’t. With Ole, it’s sort of unknown. He looks like he will win something but the football is awful...i would just love to see what a really top coach could do with this squad.
I just think there's a difference between not being a tactical genius and, for example, not knowing what a midfield is.
You don't have to be a tactical genius to not make a team of world class players look like something akin to Macclesfield Town against the mighty Young Boys. You just need to have the slightest clue what is going on, which Ole quite consistently doesn't...and comments like in the press conference aren't reassuring because clearly he doesn't even acknowledge or recognise his own glaringly apparent feck ups.
You don't have to be a tactical genius to not make a team of world class players look like something akin to Macclesfield Town against the mighty Young Boys. You just need to have the slightest clue what is going on, which Ole quite consistently doesn't...and comments like in the press conference aren't reassuring because clearly he doesn't even acknowledge or recognise his own glaringly apparent feck ups.
Love it that you think you have more of a clue than a team of professionals
“Go support City then!”
You’re not a real fan if you think the club should replace the man holding us back with someone more qualified who can win trophies.
Lets examine that team of professionals
Ole Gunnar Solskjær
Former United player. Previous experience managing United’s reserves, unsuccessful spell at Cardiff City & 2 stints at Molde, the first being more successful. Last trophy won was the Norwegian FA Cup 8 years ago.
Mike Phelan
Former United player & member of Ferguson’s successful coaching staff of the 2000’s. Unsuccessful spell managing Hull City. Prior to returning to United was enjoying a semi retirement in Australia as an adviser to Central Coast Mariners
Michael Carrick
Former United player. No coaching experience.
Kieran McKenna
Previous experience coaching United & Spurs at youth team level.
Martin Pert
Previous experience coaching gigs at Watford & Cardiff, where he met Ole. Prior to joining United he was Assistant Manager at Vancouver Whitecaps in the MLS
Craig Mawson
Goalkeeping coach. Previous experience at Burnley’s youth team
Michael Clegg
Former United youth player. Head fitness coach. Previous experience at Sunderland.
Mark Dempsey
Long time friend of Ole. Previous experience with him at Molde & Cardiff as well as being an assistant for the United youth team in 2008. Sacked as head coach of Kongsvinger before being picked up by United.
Eric Ramsey
Recruited this summer. Previous experience Chelsea youth team & Shrewsbury Town.
Is this really enough for a club that markets it’s self as the biggest in the world & has aspirations of competing for Premier Leagues & Champions Leagues? It’s been clear for a long time there is a serious problem with the coaching at this club.
All of them obviously inferior to you and the rest of the experts around here
When you type that out it is absolutely mental that is the coaching setup at one of the best clubs in the world. Common sense should tell Ole to surround himself with staff who have been there and done it at the top level.
The issue is that they are not that much more qualified to be in the positions they are in. We’re Manchester United. We shouldn’t be relying on coaching staff from Sunderland, Molde & Vancouver bloody Whitecaps.
Could you also do one for the Man City/Liverpool/Chelsea coaching team just for comparison? I'm honestly interested to know what really defines best in class coaches.
You can apply that logic to any professional football club in the world, and to any of our previous managers who've ended up being sacked.
If a professional ski instructor put their skis on back to front you probably wouldn't get far defending them falling on their face because they are a "professional"
I'm not Ole in or Ole out. Right in between. To call him unsuccessful is a little wrong. He was brought to stabilize club and make atmosphere enjoyable for players and fans. I think generally fans are happy with signings and direction club is going. Players are also happy (looks like they are). Club is in CL. Club is right there with other "big 3" PL clubs. Yes, we didn't win anything yet and this is a year where Ole must deliver. So let's relax and enjoy the show. We will know more next year.
By the way - when calling manager unsuccessful we should look at poor Lampard. He really sank Chelsea. It never happened with Ole. That's why he still has a job.
By the way - when calling manager unsuccessful we should look at poor Lampard. He really sank Chelsea. It never happened with Ole. That's why he still has a job.
20 pages in a press conference thread.
How about you bring this tiresome discussion back into the "we hate Solskjær with passion" thread?
How about you bring this tiresome discussion back into the "we hate Solskjær with passion" thread?
For us:
Thomas Tuchel
Started as a U19 manager in Germany, been a full manager from the 09/10 season. Mainz for 5 seasons, Dortmund for 2, PSG for 2.5.
Zsolt Lőw
Started as a youth coach in Austria for RB Salzburg - became an assistant coach there from 14/15, then moved to Leipzig as an assistant to Rangnick for 3 seasons. Joined Tuchel at PSG for 2.5 years.
Arno Michels
Long-time assistant to Tuchel. Has been with him since 09/10 at Mainz; had more than a decade of assistant and head coaching experience in the lower tiers of German football prior.
Joe Edwards
Manager of Chelsea's youth sides since 14/15 prior to becoming Lampard's assistant. His appointment may have had something to do with the youth we were promoting due to the transfer ban, but he's highly rated and Tuchel by all accounts has been happy to keep him on.
Anthony Barry
Joined Chelsea from 20/21 with a focus on coaching set pieces - had been at Wigan as an assistant for 3 seasons prior. Was instrumental in fixing our catastrophic set piece defense in 19/20 - has subsequently joined the Republic of Ireland as a coach part-time. Very highly rated and one to watch in the future.
Henrique Hilario
Long-time Chelsea backup (8 seasons somehow). Has been a goalkeeping coach since 16/17 - appointed by Conte. Knows the club well and has a great relationship with Cech dating to their playing days.
Benjamin Weber
Video and data analyst - has been with Tuchel since their time at Mainz
So collectively Chelsea's staff probably have multiple decades' worth more experience than United's?
Yeah, they have their badges!
You should head up the recruitment at United, since you can obviously tell how good someone is at their job without knowing a single thing about them.
And I don't pretend I know more than any football coach or manager who does that for a living.
Yep, of course being top of your profession in Meinz is all the credentials a top team accepts
Ole deserves a good word for his subs with Matic and Jesse that were created the winning goal for us.
I fully expect everyone who was whinging in this thread after the YB match to be flooding into every Ole and Lingard thread the next few days with the very same vigor.
Listening to the TOTD podcast today and, well, this!
He inspired me today to unsubscribe from The Athletic because he is just trash. Long meandering answers to yes or no questions. He has absolutely ruined that podcast for me over the past few months. Used to love it and look forward to it, but no more.
Have you been watching United at all or just put your United kit on and come and comment on here?
Some people just want to ignore the obvious coaching issues
This is a manager who was not just appointed a week or 2 ago, but someone who has been at the club for 3 years! We have players like Ronaldo, Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Greenwood, Martial, Varane, Rashford (injured for now), yet we come up with this shite week after week. These are players other managers can dream about, but we have them in our squad!
There was a press conference where Ole mentioned it himself, he thinks United's playing philosophy is hitting teams on the break and relying on individual talent to win games. WTH is that all about? I can see us do that against say City, Liverpool, or Chelsea, but against teams like West Ham Wolves, and Villa?
Ole needs to resign and save his legacy at the club before he gets the boot. He has stabilized the club (the reason he was brought in for) and will not take the club any further.