I obviously don't understand English.
Sol Campbell
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I obviously don't understand English.
The reason that he wasn't England captain for ten years is because he played in an England team that had David Beckham, one of the most popular England captains of all time.
The reason that he isn't more popular than he is, is because he comes across as a right twat every time he opens his mouth, and this time is no different.
The reason that he isn't more popular than he is, is because he comes across as a right twat every time he opens his mouth, and this time is no different.
Clearly.
I genuinely didn't realise Crooks was a former player (just googled, played a few games for us, apparently...). I think I just found it hard to believe anyone his shape could've been a professional sportsman.
Yes. That's what I meant.
I genuinely didn't realise Crooks was a former player (just googled, played a few games for us, apparently...). I think I just found it hard to believe anyone his shape could've been a professional sportsman.
He has some vision though, 360 degree vision, think that helped him with his career.
Agreed.
I tihnk you might be confusing me with other people in this thread.
1, I did not call him an idiot, I don't think he's an idiot, he said something idiotic. A couple of people (not called duffer) did call him an idiot.
2, I didn't say he failed to be captain because he was boring. I said he's not more famous or popular because he's boring.
3, I'm certain he's experienced prejudice in his career, just not when it comes to being England captain for 10 years. The reason, however,that he is not on Sky and Match of the day is because he does not want to be a pundit, to quote the man himself “I’ve been a pundit before – but it’s so bloody boring. Some love it – but, for me, it’s either playing or being a coach".
Wait, what?
So black people aren't famous/popular or commended?
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying. edit: I guess I better put one of these
so as to not confuse you further. Educate yourself.
Good lord. So you're actually saying that there are no famous, popular or commended black people?
I'm almost speechless.
Nah. Though it might be a good toilet book.
OMFG
And with that, I shall leave you to it.
Please don't. I'm genuinely confused as to what you're saying. Have I got the wrong end of the stick?
Ah I see you've edited your post. Very hard to read sarcasm on a forum at times.
That black English footballers get less acclaim than they would if they were white. Which I think there is a lot of truth in.
This is nowhere near the same as suggesting no black people ever get acclaim for anything, as you suggested he was saying.
Do you think this is still the case? If so that is an absolutely ridiculous statement.
I'm not sure I do agree. Don't get me wrong, of course there's prejudice in the world, whether it be racism/sexism/ageism etc etc...but with regards to Campbell, he was pretty highly commended, and highly rated when he played was he not?....And to be famous and popular, you have to be more then 'just' a footballer. Its all about the 'celeb' lifestyle, something which Campbell never seemed to really court. Unlike the likes of Ashely Cole and Rio Ferdidnand, who are both black English footballers who are commended, popular (at times) and certainly famous. But they chose to go that way, Campbell never really did. He was just a very good footballer, while the other were very good footballers who chose to go down the 'celeb' path. I don't think there's any prejudice that stopped Campbell doing the same if he'd have wanted.
I think hes doing one of them Woosh moments to you
I suspect it is still the case, yes. It's difficult to think of current examples as our best black player of recent times comes across as an unsavory sort who cheats on his famous wife and shoots people with airguns, so his popularity is rather tainted by such off field stuff. I suppose I think Sturridge would be bigger name than he currently is, if he was white.
Rio is an interesting example as he certainly gives the impression of wishing to go into regular media work. He's a pretty classic case of someone who's a bit thick but likes a joke, the kind who generally do well in the business, so one would think if his race is immaterial he would have a very good chance of succeeding.
I'd be interested to hear if many shared that opinion. I don't see it myself but we're at an entirely different stage of the race debate over here to you lot.
Sol's comments I dismiss out of hand as he has always appeared a humourless, witless drone, certainly incapable of inspiring his fellow man. My opinion, of course, based on very little.
I think not. Drogba, Henry, Rio, David James, Yaya, Essein, Yorke , Cole were and are all massively acclaimed and praised to name just a few.
A lot of it is self fulfilling prophecy. People think there is going to be some fear about equality and so end up creating it where none exists.
The reason there are so few black managers is not racism its because less of them go on to do management, and the ones that do are simply not that good.
I'd imagine he will succeed. He's already got his own fashion 'brand', has his own online magazine, and works for BT. And thats before he's even retired.
Jason Roberts and Clarke Carlisle have also both recently been doing quite a lot of tv work, mainly with punditry. I don't see race holding them back atm.
Are you the new Baz?
The boy has a very good record this season! I've never thought about it before but when trying to come up with examples it did strike me that the excitement level around his form (from those who don't support LFC), in a World Cup year, does seem a touch lacking.
Campbell is a just trying to sell his book. His point is utter bollox as well.
He wasnt even first choice for ten years so wdf is he moaning about?
He wasnt even first choice for ten years so wdf is he moaning about?
The boy has a very good record this season! I've never thought about it before but when trying to come up with examples it did strike me that the excitement level around his form (from those who don't support LFC), in a World Cup year, does seem a touch lacking.
I dunno, he has had an excellent season and I think for the most part people have been raving about him. Maybe you could argue the likes of Ricky Lambert seemed to get more last season but not sure race is an issue. I just don't think people like Sturridge that much- perceived to be greedy, albeit he has been countering that, and has failed at a couple of big clubs.
Maybe you've spent to long in the 'Welbeck is better than Sturridge' thread.I reckon its more down to the fact that Sturridge has looked like utter dross for England everytime he's played for England, plus he's already 'failed' at City and Chelsea. Whereas with Lambert, he was the perfect media story. From the bottom to the top. Beetroot factory worker, to England hero. He was a journalists wet dream.
I'm not sure. Ferdinand is commonly regarded as England's greatest centre-half since Moore and many see Cole as England's greatest ever left-back.
Would Tom Cleverley get more stick if he was black ?
Would Danny Welbeck get less if he were white ?
Would Danny Welbeck get less if he were white ?
Really? I mean, I rate him that highly but I thought that was just us United fans, to be honest.
As for Cole, there is no great competition in that regard. It's a very particular position and he happens to be one of the best players (of any nation, I think) to play there.
Ferdinand is certainly the best centre back England have had IMO. I'm not including Moore there, not seen him enough to make a proper judgement.
Rio does seem a bit underrated outside of here though I feel - because he is black??? - for England a large majority of pundits would opt for Adams or Terry I reckon, who were both inferior to Rio at his peak.
Campbell was excellent himself. Maybe lacked that dominant personality.
Rio does seem a bit underrated outside of here though I feel - because he is black???
- for England a large majority of pundits would opt for Adams or Terry I reckon, who were both inferior to Rio at his peak. Campbell was excellent himself. Maybe lacked that dominant personality.
No doubt about it. Ferdinand was better than Moore IMO, Cole and Wilson is a draw and Viv Anderson as best right back is beyond arguing (but might be evidence for the Campbell view).
Why would anyone make Sol Campbell captain? He's not a leader.
Captain of Spurs.
Says it all.
Captained them to a League Cup victory, in fact.
I like to damn with faint praise.
Is my memory playing tricks on me here or would not Rio have been captain from 2010-2013 [had the inurries stayed away]? Maybe 2013 is slightly pushing it with the way he has to manage his back problems however two major tournaments certainly i'd say.
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Standard attention seeking.
All flies in the face that Rio Ferdinand was England captain albeit due to injuries barely played in that time, indeed he would have captained England at a world cup had he not got injured, Campbell every time he speaks seems to make these blanket, ironically very prujudiced statements himself. There's plenty of pundits who make idiots of themselves but they stop short of genuinely offending their target audience like Campbell does.
Rowem might want to understand that having someone come out and say "the majority of fans don't want it either" is the reason he's not a pundit. Essentially calling the majority of football fans racist is not going to please people.
In short, Sol Campbell is the type of person who sets back anti-racism initiatives and plays into the hands of people who make out legitimate problems to be people playing the race card, when people like Campbell actually do do that.
All flies in the face that Rio Ferdinand was England captain albeit due to injuries barely played in that time, indeed he would have captained England at a world cup had he not got injured, Campbell every time he speaks seems to make these blanket, ironically very prujudiced statements himself. There's plenty of pundits who make idiots of themselves but they stop short of genuinely offending their target audience like Campbell does.
Rowem might want to understand that having someone come out and say "the majority of fans don't want it either" is the reason he's not a pundit. Essentially calling the majority of football fans racist is not going to please people.
In short, Sol Campbell is the type of person who sets back anti-racism initiatives and plays into the hands of people who make out legitimate problems to be people playing the race card, when people like Campbell actually do do that.
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