I think some people think his passing is safe because he actually finds his man.
That’s quite impressive to be fair.
It might be because he’s been quite an ungraceful footballer. I think it skewed my impression too - seems he was much better based on the numbers. I was half depressed through most of the game anyway.
you think he is going to give us Pirlo passing capability??? simmer down mateNot every pass that isn't a hollywood pass is a risky pass. Also it isn't ultra hard to play progressive passes if you, like Amrabat did yesterday, stay relatively deep. He obviously has the passing capability, but I really hope, he will show more of it eventually. Because right now, I think, it is a bit too safe. I haven't seen much of what McTominay couldn't give you on a very good day. And when we think about upgrading the squad, we have to make sure we actually improve. Amrabat comes as a passing specialist - if anything, that is his reputation.
Don't think, this is a realistic scenario. Would the Saudi clubs really be so daft for another year? I doubt it, especially as Varane and Casemiro, while certainly have internation reputation, aren't the shiniest names out there. Especially if they would be coming coming from having a rotten year...
He is exactly supposed to give us Pirlos passing capabilities. If he doesn't provide that, then I am not sure, what you expect from him?
I am with you on the "lets see how he does" tour, but lets not kid ourselves that he is "young enough to improve". All we can expect is that he can adapt to his team mates and the league and hopefully recreate some of the qualities he showed for Fiorentina. He seemingly is a late bloomer already, the chances of him improving are not good realistically speaking. If he doesn't fully convince in his time here, there is no point wasting money on a player who doesn't look like a future United player. Give the minutes to somebody, who you think has the potential to be a starter in an all-firing United team. Thats what we have to aspire to be. And we have to handle him just like we (thankfully) handled Sabitzer.
I saw that too. I think, he surely can continue to adapt but I don't really buy the "no pre-season" thing, don't know, just doesn't sound convincing to me. He seems weaker than I had expected him to look like, lost a few shoulder to shoulder duels and is slow with a suspicious 1st touch occasionally. Also being bad in the air isn't doing too many favors. Lets hope, he continues to adapt but for now, no matter how bad Casemiro is, I'd rather play him in form than rely on Amrabat. Doesn't mean, I don't see him as a starter, but surely not as a single pivot. Any team that will have a go at us, will kill us. At least that is my feeling.
Sure you re-watched the actual game and not some EA FC24 match?I like the enthusiasm though. But I wouldn't put too much on the Brentford game, they sat off us quite a bit and didn't really challenge in the middle of the park. Think it was a relatively easy game on the ball for Amrabat. There will be way harder matches further down the road.
Exactly my take as well. I really hope, we see more of the long passing that gave him his fbref stats and some of the bulldog-ness that got him some his fans on here. In his games till now, he has been more timid than expected and as some have pointed out, a little too safe with his passing. Keeping it simple is good and right but only if opponents still have to have a go at you because they know you are dangerous with too much time. If you only have the "simple" gear, even if that has some value, it won't be enough.
I couldn't read past this point I'm sorry.Not every pass that isn't a hollywood pass is a risky pass. Also it isn't ultra hard to play progressive passes if you, like Amrabat did yesterday, stay relatively deep. He obviously has the passing capability, but I really hope, he will show more of it eventually. Because right now, I think, it is a bit too safe. I haven't seen much of what McTominay couldn't give you on a very good day. And when we think about upgrading the squad, we have to make sure we actually improve. Amrabat comes as a passing specialist - if anything, that is his reputation.
Don't think, this is a realistic scenario. Would the Saudi clubs really be so daft for another year? I doubt it, especially as Varane and Casemiro, while certainly have internation reputation, aren't the shiniest names out there. Especially if they would be coming coming from having a rotten year...
He is exactly supposed to give us Pirlos passing capabilities. If he doesn't provide that, then I am not sure, what you expect from him?
I am with you on the "lets see how he does" tour, but lets not kid ourselves that he is "young enough to improve". All we can expect is that he can adapt to his team mates and the league and hopefully recreate some of the qualities he showed for Fiorentina. He seemingly is a late bloomer already, the chances of him improving are not good realistically speaking. If he doesn't fully convince in his time here, there is no point wasting money on a player who doesn't look like a future United player. Give the minutes to somebody, who you think has the potential to be a starter in an all-firing United team. Thats what we have to aspire to be. And we have to handle him just like we (thankfully) handled Sabitzer.
I saw that too. I think, he surely can continue to adapt but I don't really buy the "no pre-season" thing, don't know, just doesn't sound convincing to me. He seems weaker than I had expected him to look like, lost a few shoulder to shoulder duels and is slow with a suspicious 1st touch occasionally. Also being bad in the air isn't doing too many favors. Lets hope, he continues to adapt but for now, no matter how bad Casemiro is, I'd rather play him in form than rely on Amrabat. Doesn't mean, I don't see him as a starter, but surely not as a single pivot. Any team that will have a go at us, will kill us. At least that is my feeling.
Sure you re-watched the actual game and not some EA FC24 match?
Exactly my take as well. I really hope, we see more of the long passing that gave him his fbref stats and some of the bulldog-ness that got him some his fans on here. In his games till now, he has been more timid than expected and as some have pointed out, a little too safe with his passing. Keeping it simple is good and right but only if opponents still have to have a go at you because they know you are dangerous with too much time. If you only have the "simple" gear, even if that has some value, it won't be enough.
For some reason this poster is particularly anxious about Amrabat.
He actually is the best passer (in our team!). If you put any stock in the stats (which I don’t, really), he did the most “good” passes on Saturday.
Agreed, if he’s not the second coming of modric/kroos/Casemiro then he’s shit
Okay, maybe the wording was a bit off if so many felt it problematic. What I meant was, that not many people know what kind of player Amrabat is. A few have seen him at the Worldcup, a few less have seen him for Fiorentina. But most have to go off stats and thankfully, in this day and age we have stats available to get at least a good impression. Amrabats fbref profile is very average. Very average. The only thing that sticks out is his passing capabilities where the stats indicate he is bordering elite level being in the high 90s percentile. (Right now 90 and 91, but iirc he was even higher during the summer). This passing capability is the attractive piece from his skillset, he is supposed to have a good range, incisiveness and good completion. What we have seen of him is good. It is safe, there were the odd long ball and yes, he has passed forward on occasion. It is early days but I have expected a bit more based on him rated so highly. Thats it.
I don't think, it is completely wrong at all. They setup in 3-5-2 shape to block the center, they had a lead. It is only natural for them to sit back. And that is what I have seen and based on this thread and a couple of others, other people saw it too. They didn't really have a go at us or tried to press, which means, more time on the ball. This isn't a slight on Amrabat, he was part of the reason why the ball was moving decently, but it wasn't the most challenging game in terms of midfield battle.
When somebody chooses the easy passing option 19.5 times out of 20 then he play it safe. Nothing overly wrong with it. As I said, Brentford made it difficult to play into the middle but at times, there was a resemblence of the zombie passing from back in the day. We were without our better passers today, difficult opponent so again, nothing overly wrong with it but it was safe passing. And we were only 2minutes away from losing because we didn't find a way to break the opponent down.I think some people think his passing is safe because he actually finds his man
He was the least of our midfield problems against Brentford really. As he gets up to pace he will hopefully move the ball a tad quicker at times.
I thought it was a mistake to bring him in after ETH decided to go for Mount. And even if some of his fans were just very enthusiastic about the player, lets not act as he wasn't marketed as this hybrid you are talking about (not for quality maybe but certainly skillset wise). For his passing capabilities, there were at least stats backing it up. His worldcup performances were the reason for talking about DM and bulldog and what not. Lets not pretend that didn't happen. And just like I am worried about this player in particular, you are a fan from day one and you are defending him now. There's no real difference in the two of us and our posting, you just have a different opinion than me ^^
I’m calling him what he is and what I always did - a decent all round DM. Never said he was world class, I always said it was debatable he would start regularly but he was better than what we had as competition for Casemiro. It’s panned out as I thought it would (except he obviously still adjusting to the pace of the league).
Amrabat is basically being blamed for our attacking players being shit. His primary job is to retain possession, and pass the ball to our attacking players. He's doing it well.
Wasn't he absent from their squad at the last international break? Maybe a precaution to manage the back injury as he played a lot in a short time for United.
Just an international injury, I expect him to be available for the weekend
Only half? Well done.
