Society of Black Lawyers

Eboue said:
Why does one have to be part of the affected group to be against racism? (I'm not saying this is racism)
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Again, that's not what I'm saying is it. They don't know there was racism in the Chelsea game, they heard it on ssn and read it online (as they admitted to). They don't know the history of the Yid chanting either.

You must have a strong view the other way to be so quick to put words in my mouth, so tell me what you make of all this? Are they right to go running to the police based on what they think they know from sources who don't even know themselves?
 
Steven Seagull said:
I bet the Met Police love this lot.

Do they want everyone arrested? Are the Jews to be arrested as well or just the non Jews?
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I suspect it's got nothing to do with racism or anything, it's one man getting his face on the tv and setting the real issue back. Look at the website alone, it's amateur hour all round. But because of their name, they are bound to get headlines regardless of the issue just down to the sensitivity of it all.
 
Careful what you say about them here too.

Might as well sue you for it.
 
True, I don't want another MUST situation with redcafe. But that would totally prove my point about being able to speak out though.

Besides, I could then start the society of multicoloured redcafe dumbasses and release my own statements :lol:
 
NinjaFletch said:
A society specifically for the promotion and advantage of one racial group over another?

It's at best 'positive' discrimination, at worst, well, could you imagine the reaction to a society of White lawyers?
To clarify, I have no problem with them acting as a union for a minority group that may or may not (I don't know the ins and the outs of the situation) need extra support but the second they use the fact that they are an all black union to put pressure on people outside of that sphere they become racist, for my money.
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They clearly feel the need - I work in the industry and I can count the number of Black barristers, solicitors and especially Judges I've come across in ten years on one hand. Clearly "White Lawyers" need little assistance, nor anybody to look after their interests.

Like it or not there is a certain amount of prejudice still in place in certain areas, the facts and figures speak for themselves.

They're not some militant organisation. As a "Union" they put little pressure on anyone and exist largely to be consulted on how the clear imbalances and difficulties faced by racial minorities can be addressed. I can't see how that is racist at all, nor why you seem to think they're so threatening.

As I said, perhaps they should keep their nose out of football, but presumably they're not happy with the way that the FA is dealing with the current "racist" hot potato. In that regard, as a prominant black organisation they presumably feel they have a right to comment.
 
RedRover said:
They clearly feel the need - I work in the industry and I can count the number of Black barristers, solicitors and especially Judges I've come across in ten years on one hand. Clearly "White Lawyers" need little assistance, nor anybody to look after their interests.

Like it or not there is a certain amount of prejudice still in place in certain areas, the facts and figures speak for themselves.

They're not some militant organisation. As a "Union" they put little pressure on anyone and exist largely to be consulted on how the clear imbalances and difficulties faced by racial minorities can be addressed. I can't see how that is racist at all, nor why you seem to think they're so threatening.
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Good post. With the last line, I don't think it's threatening more genuine WTF? Why now, why with no evidence, why not Terry and Suarez before that?


As I said, perhaps they should keep their nose out of football, but presumably they're not happy with the way that the FA is dealing with the current "racist" hot potato. In that regard, as a prominant black organisation they presumably feel they have a right to comment.
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This is my problem with it. They are running to the police based on no evidence, how can that be right.

And now they hit the tv with this, they then go and take on Tottenham and issue deadlines and such nonsense? What gives them the right, and how can this and the Clattenburg issue do anything other than set them and the real issues back?


As my boss has just said to me as I type this, he'll be there tonight in the stands chanting Yid army louder than ever with everyone else, and if this bunch want to take on Levy and his undoubted army of lawyers over an issue they clearly know little to nothing about, then good luck to them. But going by the way they think it's right to run to the police with no evidence based on tv and newspaper reports, I don't fancy their chances.
 
Redlambs said:
Again, that's not what I'm saying is it. They don't know there was racism in the Chelsea game, they heard it on ssn and read it online (as they admitted to). They don't know the history of the Yid chanting either.

You must have a strong view the other way to be so quick to put words in my mouth, so tell me what you make of all this? Are they right to go running to the police based on what they think they know from sources who don't even know themselves?
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You asked why they are getting involved with something that had nothing to do with them. That IS what you are saying. Either you are very bad at expressing your points or you keep changing them after I disagree with parts of them.

I don't have a strong view. I've already said I think this shouldn't be a police matter at all. I think whoever makes the decisions over there is an idiot.

Not putting words in your mouth at all. I've quoted you at length every time I've made a comment about your posts because I'm mainly interested in your reasoning.
 
RedRover said:
They clearly feel the need - I work in the industry and I can count the number of Black barristers, solicitors and especially Judges I've come across in ten years on one hand. Clearly "White Lawyers" need little assistance, nor anybody to look after their interests.

Like it or not there is a certain amount of prejudice still in place in certain areas, the facts and figures speak for themselves.

They're not some militant organisation. As a "Union" they put little pressure on anyone and exist largely to be consulted on how the clear imbalances and difficulties faced by racial minorities can be addressed. I can't see how that is racist at all, nor why you seem to think they're so threatening.

As I said, perhaps they should keep their nose out of football, but presumably they're not happy with the way that the FA is dealing with the current "racist" hot potato. In that regard, as a prominant black organisation they presumably feel they have a right to comment.
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well they are certainly acting militant at the moment, as well as wasting Police time, they are pressing for a union for black players and are certainly trumpeting their own existence at the moment.....as for being a prominent black organisation, I'd never heard of them, until they started getting involved with the cr*p at Stamford Bridge.....
 
Redlambs said:
Good post. With the last line, I don't think it's threatening more genuine WTF? Why now, why with no evidence, why not Terry and Suarez before that?




This is my problem with it. They are running to the police based on no evidence, how can that be right.

And now they hit the tv with this, they then go and take on Tottenham and issue deadlines and such nonsense? What gives them the right, and how can this and the Clattenburg issue do anything other than set them and the real issues back?


As my boss has just said to me as I type this, he'll be there tonight in the stands chanting Yid army louder than ever with everyone else, and if this bunch want to take on Levy and his undoubted army of lawyers over an issue they clearly know little to nothing about, then good luck to them. But going by the way they think it's right to run to the police with no evidence based on tv and newspaper reports, I don't fancy their chances.
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Perhaps they hoped that the FA would deal with the matter. Its also pertinent to note that since once of their number suggested setting up the black players association he's been given a fair bit of stick - perhaps that's why they're now suddenly so interested.

I agree regarding the Spurs issue - it's a largely pointless argument to be having because in that instance they'll be able to do little to stop it.

As I said previously though, it does raise an interesting point. The line as to what is offensive and what isn't is blurred at best. Some things clearly are, others (as in the above) are questionable. What this shows is that stopping this kind of behavior is difficult when fans defend their right to continue doing what they always have, and it's all a question of context.

Perhpas though the arguments levelled by Spurs fans can be used by Celtic and Rangers regarding the anti-protestant/catholic chants? Shows how difficult this area is.
 
misterredmist said:
well they are certainly acting militant at the moment, as well as wasting Police time, they are pressing for a union for black players and are certainly trumpeting their own existence at the moment.....as for being a prominent black organisation, I'd never heard of them, until they started getting involved with the cr*p at Stamford Bridge.....
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They're no more "militant" than the PFA or other Union. This is a political issue, of the FA's making because their rules didn't allow them to effectively punish players for what would be a sackable offence in any other job.

Its exposed the FA as being pretty much toothless in dealing with racism in football. Hence one of their members (rather than the organisation itself, as I understand it) has suggested a black players union may be useful. Again, any players that join any such Union clearly feel the need. If I were a black player I'd be pretty non-plussed with what's happened and would want to make a point in the hope that the FA review their rules and regulations.

They're an organisation, prominent in their field and therefore feel willing to comment in the hope that it does some good.

Your last point is hardly surprising - unless you are a black lawyer.
 
Sigh. Here we go:

Eboue said:
You asked why they are getting involved with something that had nothing to do with them. That IS what you are saying.
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I said: People like this claim to speak up for a minority group, yet what's being a black lawyer got to do with any of these issues?

In respect to the football chanting, not specifically the claims of racism. It's context. I stand by that question there, because what has the Black Society of Lawyers got to do with Tottenham fans, a percentage of which are Jewish as are their chairman and some board members no less, and what they chant?


Either you are very bad at expressing your points or you keep changing them after I disagree with parts of them.
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If you are going to be like that, I can point out that it might indeed be the case. It might also be the case you have problems understanding points being made because you already have an opinion of me in your mind.

I know which is more likely and worse, but sadly is what happens a lot when things are debated via faceless text.


I don't have a strong view. I've already said I think this shouldn't be a police matter at all. I think whoever makes the decisions over there is an idiot.

Not putting words in your mouth at all. I've quoted you at length every time I've made a comment about your posts because I'm mainly interested in your reasoning.
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But it's not going to work if you don't then at least try to understand the reasoning is it? You didn't understand my post you first responded too, and that is probably my wording as much as anything, I don't mind conceding that. But since then you've tried to pick me apart and indeed, put what you think I'm saying in place of what I actually am. And incase you are going to do that again, I'm not attacking you or saying anything about intellect, I'm saying that via a wall of text we can't always get a grasp of what someone means, so a little leeway is needed. Funnily enough, in the Serbian thread I was basically called racist and anti-serbian for daring to say racism was wrong and they should be punished! Damned if you say something for, damned if you are though to have said something against.


So I'll try one more time, because I agree that it might be my wording and it might be in part you already having a picture of me.

I'm ridiculing this SBL lot, NOT because of colour, NOT because of what they claim to do and NOT because they stand up to Racism. I'm doing it because they are apparently lawyers, yet by their own admission they have gone to the police with claims of racism because of what they've seen on the t.v and in the papers/on the internet. They have no proof, did not witness or hear any act of racism and these are lawyers.

Then they take on the Tottenham fans and indeed board and chairman over a remark they deem offensive, all because they refuse to actually see the real point and issue of these chants. Now with all the other things going on, if they were to get involved (which as I've said, I can't see why they should) with something, what about the Gas chamber noise? Or the vile songs fans sing back? What about Terry and Suarez where there's, you know, actual proof?

If you think, and I suspect you do, this has anything to do with the word black, then you are mistaken. I couldn't care less what colour they are. The only thing about that I think and have said, and may even be wrong about, is if that a group came out as 'white lawyers' and started making accusations based on something on tv, there'd be a bigger shitstorm. Maybe rightly so, I don't know, but that's an opinion. The word white vs black does impact whether we like it or not, I don't. I think there shouldn't be a need for a black society of anything, but I know there is a need and in reality we are still years off that.

I just ultimately think this mob have actually started harming the cause, not helping. Coming from lawyers I find that incredibly stupid.
 
RedRover said:
Perhaps they hoped that the FA would deal with the matter. Its also pertinent to note that since once of their number suggested setting up the black players association he's been given a fair bit of stick - perhaps that's why they're now suddenly so interested.
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But that's the point, they don't even know there is a matter! And where they was an actual matter, they ignored it!

That's why I think the way I think about their motives here. Oh and misty is right, setting a deadline and threatening legal action with no regards to debate about the issue, is pretty militant (but that's not a point I'm debating, just saying ;) )


I agree regarding the Spurs issue - it's a largely pointless argument to be having because in that instance they'll be able to do little to stop it.

As I said previously though, it does raise an interesting point. The line as to what is offensive and what isn't is blurred at best. Some things clearly are, others (as in the above) are questionable. What this shows is that stopping this kind of behavior is difficult when fans defend their right to continue doing what they always have, and it's all a question of context.

Perhpas though the arguments levelled by Spurs fans can be used by Celtic and Rangers regarding the anti-protestant/catholic chants? Shows how difficult this area is.
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Indeed it's a fine line, but why does this mob have to cross it? I mean fine, if you learn the history behind it all and want all football fans to be singing happy songs and live in harmony, then go for it. Try. But they clearly don't realise the problem, because if they did the Spurs fans themselves wouldn't be the target, it'd be though who hiss and sing the songs in the first place that prompted the Spurs fans to reclaim the word.
 
Redlambs said:
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I said: People like this claim to speak up for a minority group, yet what's being a black lawyer got to do with any of these issues?

In respect to the football chanting, not specifically the claims of racism. It's context. I stand by that question there, because what has the Black Society of Lawyers got to do with Tottenham fans, a percentage of which are Jewish as are their chairman and some board members no less, and what they chant?


I'm going to quote you directly here so we can avoid any "I didn't say that" claims. Here is what you say "what has the Black Society of Lawyers got to do with Tottenham fans and what they chant?" You are asking what this group has to do with the chanting and implying that since they aren't directly affected they shouldn't have anything to do with it. And I ask once again, why does someone have to be in the affected group to be offended by racism? If they think this is racism (which it probably isn't) then why can't they say something even if they are the West Midlands Veterinary Union?



If you are going to be like that, I can point out that it might indeed be the case. It might also be the case you have problems understanding points being made because you already have an opinion of me in your mind.

I know which is more likely and worse, but sadly is what happens a lot when things are debated via faceless text.

I have no opinion of you beyond that you are apparently good at poker and I am jealous. You're just another poster with "Red" in their username. :)



But it's not going to work if you don't then at least try to understand the reasoning is it? You didn't understand my post you first responded too, and that is probably my wording as much as anything, I don't mind conceding that. But since then you've tried to pick me apart and indeed, put what you think I'm saying in place of what I actually am. And incase you are going to do that again, I'm not attacking you or saying anything about intellect, I'm saying that via a wall of text we can't always get a grasp of what someone means, so a little leeway is needed. Funnily enough, in the Serbian thread I was basically called racist and anti-serbian for daring to say racism was wrong and they should be punished! Damned if you say something for, damned if you are though to have said something against.


So I'll try one more time, because I agree that it might be my wording and it might be in part you already having a picture of me.

I'm ridiculing this SBL lot, NOT because of colour, NOT because of what they claim to do and NOT because they stand up to Racism. I'm doing it because they are apparently lawyers, yet by their own admission they have gone to the police with claims of racism because of what they've seen on the t.v and in the papers/on the internet. They have no proof, did not witness or hear any act of racism and these are lawyers.

Then they take on the Tottenham fans and indeed board and chairman over a remark they deem offensive, all because they refuse to actually see the real point and issue of these chants. Now with all the other things going on, if they were to get involved (which as I've said, I can't see why they should) with something, what about the Gas chamber noise? Or the vile songs fans sing back? What about Terry and Suarez where there's, you know, actual proof?

If you think, and I suspect you do, this has anything to do with the word black, then you are mistaken. I couldn't care less what colour they are. The only thing about that I think and have said, and may even be wrong about, is if that a group came out as 'white lawyers' and started making accusations based on something on tv, there'd be a bigger shitstorm. Maybe rightly so, I don't know, but that's an opinion. The word white vs black does impact whether we like it or not, I don't. I think there shouldn't be a need for a black society of anything, but I know there is a need and in reality we are still years off that.

I just ultimately think this mob have actually started harming the cause, not helping. Coming from lawyers I find that incredibly stupid.
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I think that it has something to do with the word black because you made a post guessing at the different responses if the group was white. I think that is pretty clear.


Also, lawyers in doing something stupid shocker.
 
Cool we are getting somewhere ;)

Right on to their opinions and threat to Tottenham and their fans. My problem is that they aren't just saying something are they? They've made warnings and threats to involve the police. My concern here is that surely the fact a specific group set up to serve black lawyers and their rights surely have more important things like, I don't know, serving their member's interests? Surely this bleed over into subjects not relating to them, specifically this high profile a subject, smacks of something more than concern? That's my point, it's not the cause it's the motives here.

I haven't played poker in a while, my location is in reference to Rawkites invading one of our poker tournaments, and somehow I ended up spanking them and taking their money. It was probably more luck than judgement :lol:

I stand by my claim it would be a bigger issue if they were a specific White society, but not because of the existence, more the false claims and bothering the police about them. It's nothing to do with their right to exist, which if you are honest that's the impression you got with me which is why we are conversing now.

As for the last line, it's not just lawyers doing something stupid, it's a race/colour specific group claiming racism based on watching SSN and reading a few news reports. Stupid doesn't quite cover it, dangerous is more like it because it's crying wolf over a subject that really shouldn't be messed about with, and they should know better.

I think we actually agree on most points, just seem to disagree on why this lot see fit to start throwing around threats on something not even remotely to do with them as you say yourself, it's not even a race issue. As I keep saying, I believe they either haven't a clue, or are deliberately ignoring the actual issue down at the Lane.
 
Liam147 said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but there was a Jewish Spurs fan on the radio earlier, who said he was offended by the Yid chants.
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That's fair enough, he should take his concerns to the club.


Maybe he shouldn't be so sensitive and learn to lighten up.
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Don't cheapen your own debate here. That's not what I, or as far as I can tell, others here have said.


BTW I mentioned earlier that Levy and the Board (himself and most of which are Jewish) have said all they need to on the subject for now and as they said, the law is on their side here, and the fans will be belting the chant out louder than ever. But, to ease your mind, there have been moves made to make sure the fans know what's acceptable and what's not, and there was something about a drummer who particularly whipped up certain songs being banned, but I'm not sure what that's about.
 
Redlambs said:
That's fair enough, he should take his concerns to the club.
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The sad thing is, I don't think he could, because he is in a minority of people who are offended by it. It'd almost be like asking us to stop chanting 'United'.

Who knows, perhaps this may spark something. I highly doubt it, but maybe.
Don't cheapen your own debate here. That's not what I, or as far as I can tell, others here have said
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No, but you have come across as rather insensitive to those who may be offended by it.
 
Liam147 said:
The sad thing is, I don't think he could, because he is in a minority of people who are offended by it. It'd almost be like asking us to stop chanting 'United'.

Who knows, perhaps this may spark something. I highly doubt it, but maybe.


No, but you have come across as rather insensitive to those who may be offended by it.
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Not at all, but you have to understand I've grown around spurs fans both Jewish and otherwise and it's never been an issue. Even now, the club is run by (I believe) majority of Jewish people, I just don't see it as that big a deal when, as the club points out, it's not breaking the law and there are far bigger issues, like rival fans throwing bile. Does that mean anyone offended in the Tottenham support shouldn't be? No. But there is the club they can go to and the club has changed things over the years relating to this as far as I'm told.

But overall, people should still remember that the chanting isn't actually intended to offend, quite the opposite. To that end, Tottenham seem to think the law is on their side, and perhaps rightly so.

Still have no idea what it's got to do with this SBL mob though.
 
Liam147 said:
Don't know if this has been mentioned, but there was a Jewish Spurs fan on the radio earlier, who said he was offended by the Yid chants.

Maybe he shouldn't be so sensitive and learn to lighten up.
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What was his argument?

It means nothing for him to say he finds something offensive, and if it is nothing more than 'they chant the word Yid, that's offensive' then his offended because he is ignorant, if it's something more nuanced I'd love to hear it.
 
Redlambs said:
Not at all, but you have to understand I've grown around spurs fans both Jewish and otherwise and it's never been an issue. Even now, the club is run by (I believe) majority of Jewish people, I just don't see it as that big a deal when, as the club points out, it's not breaking the law and there are far bigger issues, like rival fans throwing bile. Does that mean anyone offended in the Tottenham support shouldn't be? No. But there is the club they can go to and the club has changed things over the years relating to this as far as I'm told.


Still have no idea what it's got to do with this SBL mob though.
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And I do understand that, but it doesn't mean there are people out there. All I was saying is that there are people who are offended by the chants, and I'm not sure that inside or outside of football the term 'yid' is taken as seriously as others. I could be wrong, London posters would know better than me. Although I do agree that the SBL are trying to put their name out there; wouldn't be remotely surprised if they had no interest whatsoever in the chanting.
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What was his argument?

It means nothing for him to say he finds something offensive, and if it is nothing more than 'they chant the word Yid, that's offensive' then his offended because he is ignorant, if it's something more nuanced I'd love to hear it.
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I can't remember, I didn't catch much of it.
 
PC has gone mad in this world. All this Ferdinand, Evra, Terry, Suarez shite, and now this.
 
Odds are 7/2 two bannings in this thread.
 
Liam147 said:
And I do understand that, but it doesn't mean there are people out there. All I was saying is that there are people who are offended by the chants, and I'm not sure that inside or outside of football the term 'yid' is taken as seriously as others. I could be wrong, London posters would know better than me. Although I do agree that the SBL are trying to put their name out there; wouldn't be remotely surprised if they had no interest whatsoever in the chanting.


I can't remember, I didn't catch much of it.
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Remember, we are not talking about the use of the word in general, we are talking about how Tottenham fans themselves are using it. They are two very different things, even in the eyes of the law.

As for a few fans offended, well they have channels to go through. On that subject, I fail to see why the vast majority should stop just because of a few, baring in mind the fact that once again the chant isn't deemed derogatory by either the men who run Tottenham (remember, mostly Jewish), the majority of Jewish fans in the stadium (and there are plenty) and perhaps most importantly, the laws of the land.

It's not that I am unsympathetic to anyone offended, but I fail to see how a small minority should beable to dictate, when everything is above board. This isn't like racism, it isn't like singing Hillsborough songs, it isn't like paper aeroplanes being thrown around.
 
Redlambs said:
Remember, we are not talking about the use of the word in general, we are talking about how Tottenham fans themselves are using it. They are two very different things, even in the eyes of the law.

As for a few fans offended, well they have channels to go through. On that subject, I fail to see why the vast majority should stop just because of a few, baring in mind the fact that once again the chant isn't deemed derogatory by either the men who run Tottenham (remember, mostly Jewish), the majority of Jewish fans in the stadium (and there are plenty) and perhaps most importantly, the laws of the land.

It's not that I am unsympathetic to anyone offended, but I fail to see how a small minority should beable to dictate, when everything is above board. This isn't like racism, it isn't like singing Hillsborough songs, it isn't like paper aeroplanes being thrown around.
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Luckily the Met seem to agree with you:

"Sportsmail are reporting that The Metropolitan Police have advised Tottenham that chants such as "Yid Army" will NOT lead to prosecution on the basis that they are used with no "deliberate intention to cause offence".

http://sportingpreview.com/football2012-2/2012685.php

The whole thing has been a nonsense from start to finish and in any case has precisely nothing to do with any "Society of Black Lawyers" .... not least because Judaism is a religion and not a racial or ethnic identity.
 
Ok, good decision by the metropolitan police. But I like the idea of this society. Racism should never get even the smallest room to show its ugly face, so had they decided to ban the chant, I would have supported it fully. You see these morons screaming monkey at black players makes you want to take a hammer and smash every bone in their body and let them live like that for the rest of their lives.
 
RedRover said:
They're no more "militant" than the PFA or other Union. This is a political issue, of the FA's making because their rules didn't allow them to effectively punish players for what would be a sackable offence in any other job.

Its exposed the FA as being pretty much toothless in dealing with racism in football. Hence one of their members (rather than the organisation itself, as I understand it) has suggested a black players union may be useful. Again, any players that join any such Union clearly feel the need. If I were a black player I'd be pretty non-plussed with what's happened and would want to make a point in the hope that the FA review their rules and regulations.

They're an organisation, prominent in their field and therefore feel willing to comment in the hope that it does some good.

Your last point is hardly surprising - unless you are a black lawyer.
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I am not so sure that it would be a sackable offence in ANY other job, yes, I am sure in HMG and larger corporate organisation, but I don't think it's automatically sackable in every job..... however, taking your points on board, it's as if the black players and the SBL are trying to rail-road the FA into taking non-independent action on these matters. As I have previously mentioned, they want far too much punishment for racist remarks, when compared to other offences, such as serious violent conduct, serious foul play, and I reckon the whole game would eventually become ungovernable, bogged down with weekly claims of racial abuse.

IMHO , they are a joke, wasting Police time and generally getting on most people's nerves that I know....
 
RedRover said:
They clearly feel the need - I work in the industry and I can count the number of Black barristers, solicitors and especially Judges I've come across in ten years on one hand. Clearly "White Lawyers" need little assistance, nor anybody to look after their interests.

Like it or not there is a certain amount of prejudice still in place in certain areas, the facts and figures speak for themselves.
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Going to derail here, I apologise.

I wonder if you could count the number of working class barristers or judges?

Sometimes I think too much is made of possible prejudice among employers and not enough about the part background/class plays. I don't think I'm wrong in saying that a disproportionate amount of the UK's black population are from hard up areas. I think more should be done about this. Clearly there's a corrolation, you find a disproportionate lack of minorities in higher end jobs, but then you find a disproportionate number of people from poorer backgrounds in them, so it follows that there's less "not white" people there, too.

Social mobility needs fixing, once someone growing up in Longsight has as good a chance as some toff from Chuffington-Bamberleigh upon Twiddle as getting decent GCSEs, A levels and then a decent degree I'd like to think we'll start to see proportional representation of minorities in the higher end jobs, along with the rest of the poor bastards who have no chance as it currently is. I know some people manage to make it out but they're by far the minority.
 
Successful said:
Ok, good decision by the metropolitan police. But I like the idea of this society. Racism should never get even the smallest room to show its ugly face, so had they decided to ban the chant, I would have supported it fully. You see these morons screaming monkey at black players makes you want to take a hammer and smash every bone in their body and let them live like that for the rest of their lives.
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A Society for Black Lawyers shouldn't need to exist, and hopefully one day we'll get to a stage where they don't have to. But for now, there's absolutely no problem with them existing to look after their members.

However, what is a problem is when a group like this starts running around making baseless allegations, bothering the police with them, then making threats to a club and it's fans over something that really is nothing to do with them and they obviously don't understand or care about the issue.

It's divisive, it's wrong and most worryingly it creates a situation where people will start going off against these types of groups. I still haven't a clue what their motives are here, and there are certainly bigger issues they could tackle, but perhaps ones less likely to be publicised.
 
Not convinced that Herbert is fit to lead an organisation. The SBL's latest statement:

"We are not going to let go on this," SBL chair Peter Herbert said.

"After November 20 there is a potential that people will get a criminal conviction. If they want to run that risk then fine.

"We are serious. We aren't in this for sensationalism. We think the vast majority of Tottenham fans are sensible and do not engage in anti-Semitism.

"It's a very small minority who obviously don't care about any offence.

"Their love of football is greater than their desire to deal with anti-Semitism."
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http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8237464/SBL-Repeat-Publicity-See...Er-Yid-Chant-Threat
 
SteveJ said:
Not convinced that Herbert is fit to lead an organisation. The SBL's latest statement:



http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8237464/SBL-Repeat-Publicity-See...Er-Yid-Chant-Threat
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Yeah, always blame it on the small minority. I reckon it's all that one Mexican guy's fault. Oi Pedro, stop singing Yid army!


I hope this guy is personally in court against each and every fan. They won't beable to lose even if they got a bbc lawyer to defend them. Unless, of course, this guy knows the Chewbacca defense? Because if he does, Levy better watch out...
 
Redlambs said:
A Society for Black Lawyers shouldn't need to exist, and hopefully one day we'll get to a stage where they don't have to. But for now, there's absolutely no problem with them existing to look after their members.

However, what is a problem is when a group like this starts running around making baseless allegations, bothering the police with them, then making threats to a club and it's fans over something that really is nothing to do with them and they obviously don't understand or care about the issue.

It's divisive, it's wrong and most worryingly it creates a situation where people will start going off against these types of groups. I still haven't a clue what their motives are here, and there are certainly bigger issues they could tackle, but perhaps ones less likely to be publicised.
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My friend, you have no idea how wrong you are. There should never be any limitation when it comes to trying these sort of cases.

I know exactly what you're thinking and NO this is not crying wolf. I think this kind of tactics is keeping people alert and aware. So, next time these sort of people start chanting wierd stuff your children will by default be set on defence and ready to question WHY.

So instead of working against this society you should promote their legitimacy and not worrying so much about what the outcome might be. You might noticed I was happy with the outcome of the trial(?), yet happy with it being tested. This way we should continue to check the temperature around England to show we're constantly present and ready to act.
 
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