Another day, another “Karen”. This time it’s ‘the Asians’ that need to go home.
*Lots of stepping in slide 1, I’d recommend heading straight to slide 2.
*Lots of stepping in slide 1, I’d recommend heading straight to slide 2.
Social Media Justice: A "Karen" faces consequences for threatening a Black man with cops
- Thread starter crappycraperson
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Her last name being Hernandez made me chuckle.
That’s the one that said things to multiple people on the same day. Glad she was caught.
There wasn't a murder.
The white woman was trying to get away and only escalated after the black mother hit her car.
I probably would have done the same: stayed calm, ignored the provocations, tried to walk away, and only pushed back if anything got physical. I obviously wouldn't have escalated with a gun, but this was America.
The gun video does show more of an issue with guns than an issue with the gunowner themselves. The fact that she knew that if she got out her gun the power that would have over someone but also the fact that she forgot how much damage that the gun could do if she actually let if off is scary. Also how easy it is to just grab a gun and completely flip situations.
*Insert sarcastic comment agreeing the obvious here*
There’s this habit for people with guns to think it’s like a movie, you point shoot then like some assassin. She pulled her gun & readied it; the reason I mention murder is because if she shoots she kills.
It was an over escalation.
Not sure what their race has to do with this but ok.
Have you actually watched the video with any real attention? The camera pans up as she shouts, “mom watch” - the mother is stood still as the car hits her; she then strikes the car & all hell breaks lose.
*Skip to 1.30, it’s clear; the mother says “oh you’re going to hit me” then gets hit.
No one is blameless here. You could argue the mother shouldn’t be stood behind the car but the lady in the car loses her sh*t & pulls a gun; they’re both idiots.
I’m not here to talk about what people ‘clearly want’; I don’t live in peoples heads. The car hits her, she hits back - no party in the argument is faultless & I’m not playing blame olympics.
Pulling the gun was a ridiculous overreaction. There’s no point holding your cool for the majority to then pull out a gun & cock it. Her life wasn’t in danger, she was being inconvenienced. I’d be pissed in her situation but I wouldn’t reach into my boot for a tyre iron threatening to beat her to death if she doesn’t stop.
The mother is an idiot; though as I said if someone touched my child I’d be p*ssed but her being an idiot doesn’t make a gun the answer.
What has their gender got to do with anything? You seem to be hinting that they're hysterical or overly emotional. But OK.
The person driving the car tried reversed away. As they did so, the car was punched or kicked. You can hear that clearly. The driver then got out and confronted the person who threw the punch.
If somebody was blocking my way to my front door, I would similarly remain calm and try to ignore their provocations. If I could finally get into my house but then the person outside hit my front door, that would piss me off. In that situation, I might grab the baseball bat I keep for self-protection and go out to confront the person.
This is America, so they used a gun instead.
But the principle is that you can't allow yourself to give in to intimidation without standing up for yourself. I'll take any amount of verbal abuse. But if things start to get physical, they've got to expect a response. I wouldn't want to hit anyone, and I'd hope beyond anything that they back away. There's a huge difference between showing my teeth and biting someone. But the second the line of confrontation crosses into the physical, I'd show that I'm not a pushover and won't accept any old shit.
Spot on
You say ‘White woman’, then ‘Black mother’ get asked what race has to do with it then ask me about gender
Nice try lad 
Still haven’t actually watched the video I see. Read what I wrote, the mother hits the car.
You’re just so hell bent on building a defence for Jillian Wuestenberg you’ll ignore the fact the man driving backed into her first
You do understand it’s possible for both parties to overreact in this situation. The mothers standing in the way, the car still reverses.
At what part during this do you reverse your house into the person?
I always try to read posts with nuance but you’re being willfuly ignorant about what’s in the video & the example you’ve used isn’t exemplary.
For all the huffing & puffing from the mother the first physical contact is when the car strikes the woman - yes, she then strikes back.
You can attempt to normalise Jillian’s overreaction as much as you like; but my point is they’re both a mess.
If someone physically attacked you I’d expect you to physically respond but aside the car interaction neither party physically touches the other person. One side shouts a lot & the other pulls a gun which I think is an overreaction.
Let’s park the part of the video where the car hits the mother first; we’re here arguing that someone hitting a car that’s reversing towards them deserves to have a gun pulled on them & I just can’t take that seriously.
I'll drop the matter of your racism/misogyny for sake of keeping this civil.You say ‘White woman’, then ‘Black mother’ get asked what race has to do with it then ask me about gender
Still haven’t actually watched the video I see. Read what I wrote, the mother hits the car.
You’re just so hell bent on building a defence for Jillian Wuestenberg you’ll ignore the fact the man driving backed into her first
You do understand it’s possible for both parties to overreact in this situation. The mothers standing in the way, the car still reverses.
At what part during this do you reverse your house into the person?
I always try to read posts with nuance but you’re being willfuly ignorant about what’s in the video & the example you’ve used isn’t exemplary.
For all the huffing & puffing from the mother the first physical contact is when the car strikes the woman - yes, she then strikes back.
You can attempt to normalise Jillian’s overreaction as much as you like; but my point is they’re both a mess.
If someone physically attacked you I’d expect you to physically respond but aside the car interaction neither party physically touches the other person. One side shouts a lot & the other pulls a gun which I think is an overreaction.
Let’s park the part of the video where the car hits the mother first; we’re here arguing that someone hitting a car that’s reversing towards them deserves to have a gun pulled on them & I just can’t take that seriously.
If there was no Second Amendment in America, it might have been a golf club instead of a gun. But in the location where it happened, it was a gun. Gun control is an issue for a different thread. This thread is about 'Karens'.
The gun wasn't shot, it was used to defuse the situation. Evoking 'murder' is a ridiculous over-escalation in the argument. It's the internet forum equivalent of pulling a gun.
i guess bellamy defused riise with a golf club
No, please do go on. Everyday is a school day after all. Civility is a given.
Still not sure what the relevance to of race was here but onto my racism & misogyny. . .
Isn’t it the same with a tyre wrench, baseball bat, lead pipe or golf club?
It looked like she was just trying to get the black folks to back away so they (the white couple) could leave. It’s not clear to me what started this argument as all I saw was the end of it, in the video I saw on the Independent yesterday.
The mother & daughter do nothing but shout a lot all video; I can’t see what “brawl” she is stopping. They’re a nuisance throughout but don’t pose some fictitious brawl that didn’t happen as a reason for a wild overreaction.
There’s a reason she’s been charged with felonious assault for drawing the gun by an American PD; The mother & daughter continue to do exactly what they did all video - verbally abuse the couple, the gun doesn’t stop that.
Oakland County - Sheriff Michael Bouchard said:
*Feel free to timestamp the point where the deescalation from verbal abuse occurs.
Or you know he could just reverse his car into her as she stands in the way. Goaded
His wife’s called a b*tch; he turns to the mother & she lets him know in no uncertain terms what he’ll get if he continues so he gets into his car & keeps reversing as the mother stands in the way.This place gets so sanctimonious. The mother is an antagonist; the worlds full of them - stop attempting to normalise the dangerous overreaction. Both sides act improperly; the woman was hounded by the pair for over 90 seconds [we don’t see if she bumped the daughter or not, could be longer] & does well to hold her composure unfortunately upon returning from the car with the gun that composure is gone.
If you’d hit a woman for shouting at you, that’s an issue beyond this video.
this has to be a jokeA pedestrian is determined to block her car in. She can't make maneuvers otherwise she's going to risk running her over. It's dangerous driving.
From the video neither side covered themselves in glory.
For the couple weren't too bad on film until the accusations of racism and they get heated, but when the mother blocked them in they overreacted and should have just called the police. Though they would probably still get cancelled for that in the current environment..
feck sake. It all started because a pregnant woman bumped into someone and didn't apologise?
Christ alive..
Christ alive..
A pedestrian is determined to block her car in. She can't make maneuvers otherwise she's going to risk running her over. It's dangerous driving.
From the video neither side covered themselves in glory.
For the couple weren't too bad on film until the accusations of racism and they get heated, but when the mother blocked them in they overreacted and should have just called the police. Though they would probably still get cancelled for that in the current environment..
The pedestrian doesn't block the car, it actually failed and they can manoeuver. The pedestrians are totally wrong from start to finish, that part isn't debated but when the couple leave the car, they have backed the entire length of the car and have plenty of room upfront where there is no pedestrian or car next to them. There was no need to leave the car and pull out a gun.
The white couple did nothing wrong in my eyes. They did everything right from trying to deescalate, trying to move away, they're calm and in control.
Anyone with less restraint it could get very ugly. The white man seems to be very calm and in control I think they both know what they're doing, could be LEO by the looks of it.
As a husband, I don't think I can remain that calm if someone was harassing my wife.
Getting fired and jailed for that is too much, it only breeds more hate.
And this has nothing to do with color of the skin, if the situation reversed my verdict would still be the same
Anyone with less restraint it could get very ugly. The white man seems to be very calm and in control I think they both know what they're doing, could be LEO by the looks of it.
As a husband, I don't think I can remain that calm if someone was harassing my wife.
Getting fired and jailed for that is too much, it only breeds more hate.
And this has nothing to do with color of the skin, if the situation reversed my verdict would still be the same
Looks to me that she is reversing the car and slams on when she is about to hit the pedestrian or possibly even does hit the woman gently, though that might be her hitting the car herself.
I wouldn't feel like I was safe to drive off as a driver with a vulnerable road user behaving irratically using the same road nearby. I would probably wait in the car until they got bored and pissed off.
Tbh I think i've seen so many clips of annoying Americans lately it that it would be hard not to pull a gun all the time.
The gun only "defuses" the situation, because introducing deadly force to a shouting match is an escalation the other party couldn't match. If they had a gun as well who knows what would've happened. Shit.. even if they don't have a gun this can turn bloody.. just remember that video from a couple of months ago, where some neighborhood militia stops an unarmed jogger and he ends up dead, because he instinctively makes a move towards one of the gunmen.
And punching someone for shouting is not justice, it's the opposite.
How calm could you remain if I started waving a gun in her face?
As far as I know a German police officer, an official with years of weapons training, is only allowed to unholster their gun after other measures have failed and the situation allows for them to actually shoot it. With that in mind it feels really surreal to read about people just accepting it as reasonable behavior to aim a gun at another person's head over some parking lot shouting and perhaps a bit of scratched paint.
Just imagine if both parties followed that logic. You'd have Mexican standoffs over nothing every other day.
Just imagine if both parties followed that logic. You'd have Mexican standoffs over nothing every other day.
I dont know to be honest. Unless he's the one instigating it it wont come to that.
But in the event it comes to that, i dont know to be honest but if I live to tell you're probably dead.
Yeah its crazy isn't it... drawing a gun turns an argument into a life and death situation... thats why I personally don't see it was justified and clearly the police took the same view
But that's what makes America so great.
No. I know with all of the above I can easily walk or run out of the way of them. A gun I can run out of the way of the range of a bat but the person could still shoot me. Heck, i can be two or three cars away and they can still get me. A gun has way more power than any of those weapons and has way more accidental danger attached to them too. If she was nervous and her finger slipped on a bat she might drop it or loosen/tighten her grip slightly. With a gun she can accidentally fire. They’re far more dangerous/powerful.
There is one thing that tells you that it was a bad idea, the woman with the gun is angry and unhinged when she holds her firearm. It's something that many people in this thread seem to be missing, you are not supposed to handle a deadly weapon when you are angry or frightened that's when you make mistakes, that's why security professionals are supposed to be vetted, they are supposed to be extremely calm people who are able to handle stressful situations with composure.
That video should be shown to anyone defending the right for civilians to carry a deadly weapon, it's a bad idea.
I can't imagine how the guy felt. Losing his jobs over this.
Tbh if you don't go around with an intercontinental nuclear missile in your boot, can you even diffuse a parking lot argument?
And it's not just about the holder of the gun. You have no idea how the other side will react to a deadly threat. In this case it "worked" and she backed off, but another person might have had some fight or flight moment that made them go for the gun.
In this case the other side was made of lunatics who had for only goal to escalate things, unfortunately the couple fell for it. But what you say applies to the other couple that drew guns at a crowd, they don't know how the crowd is going to react, they don't know who in that crowd is maybe carrying a gun and at some point, the wife was between her husband and the crowd which means that he was useless unless he was willing to take the risk to shoot his wife while targetting the crowd.
That's an other example of people not fit to carry firearms, they don't think before brandishing them, it is not controlled but emotive reactions.
Probably pretty bad - though if they hadn't drawn weapons then he would still have a job so hopefully upon reflection he factors that into his thinking.
Not sure what the employment law is in the states regarding this but generally speaking I think something that brings the company by association into disrepute can be seen as cause for dismissal - again it has been investigated by the authorities where they feel he acted in an inappropriate way and it is very much in the public domain
If one of my employees had been flimed waving a gun around or even a knife or tyre iron in a manner that had been found to be unjustified I'm not sure I would want to send them in the next day to represent me and my other colleagues with clients
That would be fine with me.
Who has treated him unjustly though... the police?
Thank god some semblance of common sense has returned to this thread. There’s a reason arrests & charges have been made in a gun carrying state.
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
I asked what their race had to do with it & you then made the below statements. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
A lot of states have at will employment so you can be fired without cause
Why don't you take this to pm, I understand the need you feel but sometimes you can make more progress in private.Thank god some semblance of common sense has returned to this thread. There’s a reason arrests & charges have been made in a gun carrying state.
Moving on. Wakey Wakey @Dante ; still waiting for a response on your attempts at gaslighting this conversation.
Not standing for this sh*t even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum; you made the comment below. . .
I asked what their race had to do with it & you then made the below statements. . .
Where do I mention their gender in relation to their emotions?
‘You seem to be hinting’ doesn’t cut it, I’ve not made any comments in that direction & you’ve only bought this up once I questioned you on why race was relevant.
I’ve called them idiots, mentalists [and probably many other things] but I’m curious as to how these are sexist descriptives or being used as such. Basically what the hell are you on about?
Are the descriptors, woman & mother misogynistic now? I’ve actually taken the time to call Jillian [the gun totter] by her name in instances so let’s not drop it.
You can be civil & shed light. If I’ve been a misogynistic &/or racist in the thread neither are my intention so I’d like to learn from whatever it is otherwise this is blatant gaslighting which is pathetic.
I think labelling peoples posts as racist & misogynistic are serious even if it is ‘only’ an internet forum. Racism is a bannable offence so don’t take being accused of it lightly.
Can anyone recommend a mod I can contact to review my posts related to this for both?
In this case the University conformed they have seen the video and I think if i were in the university shoes Id have made the same decision