It's really not that clear cut. Of the teams you put in the tier above us, I'd only have the Netherlands and Spain as better. Belgium is debatable and despite recent history I don't have either Portugal or Croatia as better, assuming we get a competent coach in charge.
So what's next for Sir Gareth Southgate?
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Ffs. Ireland could have made it to the final with the run England had back then.
Now now
Rodgers has achieved a hell of a lot more than Gareth fecking Southgate, regardless of Leicester's recent failings.
Why would Conte leave Spurs now??
Carlo is at Real Madrid, no chance of him leaving them, and Mancini.....didn't he just beat us last night, why would he leave his home nation??
This is the issue, it is unbelievably easy to just say, "Sack Southgate, he has to go!!", it is a heck of a lot harder to actually put forward realistic names as his possible replacement....
Pretty confident ireland could beat Tunisia and Panama. Colombia is a hard one. But any time in that tournament they faced a solid team. They lost. Belgium (Group stage and 3rd place match) twice and Croatia. Its amazing Gareth fooled everyone.
Southgate has got away with a lot on the basis that he's got England to a World Cup semi final and a Euros final.
The football has been uninspired for quite a long time and I don't have any faith he can turn that around. He got results when the draws were favourable but (Germany in the Euros aside) any time Southgate has faced a decent team, he has been shown up.
I imagine it'll be a pretty insipid World Cup. England will just about muster their way out of a very ordinary group and then the first good team they face in the knockouts will beat them fairly comfortably.
Hopefully then England can look to a more adventurous or at least more accomplished manager.
The football has been uninspired for quite a long time and I don't have any faith he can turn that around. He got results when the draws were favourable but (Germany in the Euros aside) any time Southgate has faced a decent team, he has been shown up.
I imagine it'll be a pretty insipid World Cup. England will just about muster their way out of a very ordinary group and then the first good team they face in the knockouts will beat them fairly comfortably.
Hopefully then England can look to a more adventurous or at least more accomplished manager.
I'm not impressed by Southgate. Just pointing out that he's actually gotten the best results out of any england manager since Ramsey, and it's international football, you can't just sack him and hire Guardiola. Southgate so far has been successfull. His successor whoever they may be is highly unlikely to be a world class manager - because those guys vey rarely take national team jobs - so why are you people so ready to replace him with an unknown? Fact of the matter is england went closer to winning their first trophy in 50 years with Southgate. They've been competitive when it mattered. Bit more luck going their way and they'd be european champions by now. No reason why they shouldn't have that bit of luck in Qatar eitherDo you actually watch the games or just look at the results? If you do indeed watch them and are still impressed by Southgate then
I could see them accepting it considering the pool of talent they can work with and the huge salary they would get which is what it is all about in football
Non-English supporters telling us to shut up and bow down to Southgate is hilarious. The man hasn’t won or had his side score a non penalty goal in the last 5 games but calling that out is bringing out Brexitness — whatever the feck that means.
What's next?
We scrape getting out the WC group, but get knocked out r16 / QF
He is then replaced.
And we wish we had done it after the 4-0 Hungary defeat
We scrape getting out the WC group, but get knocked out r16 / QF
He is then replaced.
And we wish we had done it after the 4-0 Hungary defeat
Who are we talking about? Ancelotti?
Mancini? He's not leaving Italy. He could get better jobs than england if he didn't see Italy as the pinnacle of his career(we're very lucky with that and should never let him go as long as he wants the job). Same with Luis Enrique with Spain
Rodgers? Why would he take the England job 1 month before the world cup? And what makes you think he's not gonna jump back into club football as soon as he gets a good offer? And what makes you think he'd even do a better job anyways?
The actual managerial pool for international football is radically different than club football - the top club managers don't want to coach national sides - , and the job itself is also very very different. The qualities that make managers like Klopp great at club level don't automatically translate at international level
Who are we talking about? Ancelotti?
Mancini? He's not leaving Italy. He could get better jobs than england if he didn't see Italy as the pinnacle of his career(we're very lucky with that and should never let him go as long as he wants the job). Same with Luis Enrique with Spain
Rodgers? Why would he take the England job 1 month before the world cup? And what makes you think he's not gonna jump back into club football as soon as he gets a good offer? And what makes you think he'd even do a better job anyways?
The actual managerial pool for international football is radically different than club football - the top club managers don't want to coach national sides - , and the job itself is also very very different. The qualities that make managers like Klopp great at club level don't automatically translate at international level
I was referencing more to potchettino
Honestly I think he's got an old school 442 team but just hasn't realised yet. If you take Maddison in the squad as well then you can always flex to a 4231 when it suits.
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I think your post is the odd one.
Your first sentences has the point im trying to make. Then after you query my age ( im old enough to have seen it) you explain it to yourself.
The poster said English football is a powerhouse when for reasons youve just alluded to it isnt. Unless the Term English football has now changed to describe something else when it used to mean how English teams played the game in the past.
If England win a tournament it wont be by playing old school football.
Is the FA so rich they can offer him Guardiola-wages? Because that's what it would take
And then what happens if you don't win anyways? Or he gets an offer from, say, Bayern Munich?
Looking forward to seeing Lee Carsley in charge once Southgate legs it after finishing bottom of our group.
You’ve said some daft things in this discussion but the idea of Bayern wanting Poch is maybe the worst.
And there is nothing about him to suggest on any way he would (a) accept the job, and (b) would do a better job than Southgate....
As he is just a very poor manager himself.
The fa board are as inept and reactionary as our board were with ole.
We did have a good spell of choosing quality managers like Bobby Robson, venables and hoddle and ever since that pr disaster with hoddle's odd personal beliefs the fa tried going down the safe route which has funnily enough often still backfired with sven's wondering eyes and big Sam's love for backhanders
We did have a good spell of choosing quality managers like Bobby Robson, venables and hoddle and ever since that pr disaster with hoddle's odd personal beliefs the fa tried going down the safe route which has funnily enough often still backfired with sven's wondering eyes and big Sam's love for backhanders
How is English football not a powerhouse? England have reached the final and semi-finals of the most recent tournaments and the clubs are either consistently winning or getting to latter stages of the CL. If English football isn't a powerhouse (whatever that actually means), which countries are?
England don't play old school, hard man football. They haven't for ages.
This guy is such a dick. Yes man, tactically clueless, "progressive", big beak, in thrall to reputations, uninspiring.
Saying "Brexit" is a go to insult for the simple minded.
Can he be that choosy at the moment, the egos at psg damaged his reputation to the point that ten hag and potter were more fancied over him currently by top 6 clubs.
You have some very odd takes. So because there's no guarantee that a more highly qualified manager than Southgate would do a better job, there's no point in hiring them. What sort of bizarre logic is that? Pochettino and Brendan Rodgers are both much more qualified and have proven themselves at different clubs in different environments within management. Pochettino needs to rebuild his reputation, as does Rodgers. I think Pochettino could be tempted, Rodgers would jump at the opportunity.
I doubt the FA would sack Southgate even if England have a poor WC.
England will no doubt get through the group playing average football and then might sneak a drab win in the knockout phase and then meekly lose in the 1/4s by the odd goal or two and Southgate will point out the fact that these games are won and lost by small margins. blah blah blah
The the FA will stick by him because he is exactly the type of personality they prefer.
England will no doubt get through the group playing average football and then might sneak a drab win in the knockout phase and then meekly lose in the 1/4s by the odd goal or two and Southgate will point out the fact that these games are won and lost by small margins. blah blah blah
The the FA will stick by him because he is exactly the type of personality they prefer.
The quicker our lovely media turn on him and get nasty the sooner he’ll be gone, he’s already lost the public majority I think.
Yes he can. He's still a young manager and the only way taking the england job 1 month before the world cup - that means he's only going to work with the player for like 5 days next month and then another week before the start of the WC btw - would help his reputation is if he wins it - which is a long shot regardless of how good a manager he is or how good a job he does
Guys like Pochettino generally want to keep managing clubs, not national teams
It's this absurdity that seemingly Southgate - the guy who went closest than any other in 50 years to winning england an actual trophy - is the reason why england won't win the WC - as if another guy would surely do it - that i'm pointing out here.
If england was to replace Southgate, they should have done so right after the euro final. Even that would have been iffy given the new manager would only have had a year and like 6 international breaks to figure things out
And southgate is certainly not doing a bad job
You would hardly need a world class manager (or even close to that) to improve upon Southgate. As for England needing a bit more luck, they could hardly have asked for any more in the last two tournaments - weak draws and playing most of their games at Wembley during the Euros - is plenty. He still couldn't get it done.
Yet England have had better managers than Southgate in the past with similarly talented pools of players to pick from and none of them got as close to actually winning stuff.
And what if that luck holds up in Qatar as well? Winning international tournaments is more down to luck than anything else
I like what you are doing, and I 100% want him to stay on, so let's hope they don't see sense and sack him,
But you defo tongue in cheek with the hyping of him now, you'd think he has actually been successful
Don't think folk think they win the lot, they just know he going to tank this tournament and rather another coach get a chance. Long 4 year wait to go crashing out early
I’m really looking forward to the World Cup now.
I wonder is this what it was like from the outside looking in at Utd under Ole? Like you know it was terrible yet somehow they aren’t doing anything about it and it’s going to bring you great joy?
I wonder is this what it was like from the outside looking in at Utd under Ole? Like you know it was terrible yet somehow they aren’t doing anything about it and it’s going to bring you great joy?
Conte's character makes it almost impossible for him to hold a job for long, Carlo had already declared that after Real he would probably retire, international football is the half way house for that while Mancini isn't very liked in Italy having been unable to qualify for the WC. They probably haven't sacked him for lack of funds.
What you're taking in account is that international football is not that hard and that Southgate is really really shit. There are so many managers available who are better then Southgate and would jump at the chance of managing England. I am referring to the likes of Low, Setien, Benitez and Tedesco. I dare to say that even the likes of Big Sam are better managers then Southgate.
Unless Southgate is like the girl from Deadpool, I wouldn't continue employing him because he's lucky. Luck has a habif of running out, you know.
Looking at these 2 potential XI’s and people are calling it a “golden generation”?
That defense is terrible, this is like the 2010 team with a slightly better midfield, worse defense and Toney as the 2022 version of Emil Heskey.
If Southgate makes the SF’s again with that side he deserves a lifetime contract.
There's no fecking way he'll make it to the semis, might struggle to get out of the group the way he's going. That England team is decent but not top class. But there aren't exactly any national teams with a bullet proof XI right now, that Italy team contained some exceedingly average players last night too. He has a top 5 squad if they were all playing well, they should be threatening the top teams at least but he's a fatalistic ballbag who brings on DMs or CBs when he needs a goal FFS.
When the strength of a team is its attack you shouldn't be packing it with defenders. He thinks he's Guardiola but he's basically the exact opposite. The idea that with all the forward options he has he can't even work out how to score a goal is fecking ridiculous. I'm not saying they're all great players but he has a host of good ones and a world class forward and yet no goals. He's appalling.
England's group is so easy that even Southgate couldn't make a mess of it.
Very easy to see England making a mess of the R16, which will almost certainly be against the Netherlands or Senegal, in which case that'll be the end of Southgate. If England get to the QFs then I reckon the geezers at the FA won't replace him and we'll stuck in the cycle for another 2 years.
Very easy to see England making a mess of the R16, which will almost certainly be against the Netherlands or Senegal, in which case that'll be the end of Southgate. If England get to the QFs then I reckon the geezers at the FA won't replace him and we'll stuck in the cycle for another 2 years.
Ah yeah thanks a mil.
If Conte leaves spurs it will be to go back to juventus if they sack allegri.
I genuinely think Trent should be one of the first names on the team sheet.
We all know he can’t defend, but his delivery and inventive passing is truly exceptional, both from open play and from set pieces, he is special in that regard.
Southgate is a dino but he could’ve experimented with formations and set ups.
A 4-4-2 that morphs into a 4-3-3 ala United vs Chelsea in 2008 CL final for example.
Reece James at RB, Trent in the “Hargreaves” role on the right of the midfield with Kane and Sterling/Rashford up top and Foden in the “Ronaldo” role on the left.
Rice and Bellingham in the middle, could’ve been interesting I reckon.
We all know he can’t defend, but his delivery and inventive passing is truly exceptional, both from open play and from set pieces, he is special in that regard.
Southgate is a dino but he could’ve experimented with formations and set ups.
A 4-4-2 that morphs into a 4-3-3 ala United vs Chelsea in 2008 CL final for example.
Reece James at RB, Trent in the “Hargreaves” role on the right of the midfield with Kane and Sterling/Rashford up top and Foden in the “Ronaldo” role on the left.
Rice and Bellingham in the middle, could’ve been interesting I reckon.
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Spot on!
It's too late for replacing him to be effective now. The new manager would have no time on the training pitch. You'd basically be hoping for new manager bounce to win a tournament. But at international level that's not likely, the games are won tactically and in moments of quality and he'd have little chance to do anything in that regard. You're not going to hustle your way to a World Cup in Qatar just because the manager gets a buzz out of the players, - the team that wins it is going to play sensible football with cutting edge and we're miles away. We play tedious football with confusion over who is doing what.