Right, Ten Hag stated on the still photo only " he crossed the line " he was having a go at Var. Listen folks since that city game there has been clear agenda against us and Var is on full anti-United mode. Let United in their own way make a statement on the whole nonsense all the decisions since city and no appeal on Casemiro, plain and simple. Feck them all. the ref's /Var ,them all. Were Man Utd we will beat these teams with or without Casemiro. We are back, it us against the rest , Siege Mentality, Eric Ten Fergushag.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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Yeah, still some key ones missing sadly, and some gone forever, RIP ukbob
Aye.
Casemiro did nothing wrong. Giving the ref "a golden opportunity" isn't an argument. The ref should do his job (albeit despite his atrocious performance, I don't blame him for giving the red card given the 0.5 sec video that was given to him. I blame the stupid fecks at VAR)
Still photos from one angle are useless at determining what is going on, as any radiologist who specialises in judging two-dimensional images can tell you. The VAR has been very dishonest in what he's shown Marriner here. He had footage showing the collar grab but chose not to show them because they didn't fit what he wanted to happen in that situation.
I think we'll have a hard time getting it overturned, but the "the moment your hands go there it's an automatic red" statement cannot be true because the same VAR had the chance to judge Ayew's actions in a very similar fashion but chose not to do so.
I think we'll have a hard time getting it overturned, but the "the moment your hands go there it's an automatic red" statement cannot be true because the same VAR had the chance to judge Ayew's actions in a very similar fashion but chose not to do so.
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Thought it was a definite red card watching it live but after seeing the other angles they've got it wrong. Still be surprised if they overturn it though because they won't want to undermine VAR
It's not 'refuse to acknowledge any fault'.
Given this entire exchange is based on videos I suspect you simply haven't bothered to read it. That explains the rest of your post, I suppose.
I've already acknowledged the fault of VAR in all this, hence my 'support' for Casimero.
Jesus I hope the lad is ok and will make a speedy recovery, he could have easily died there as a result of such a violent assault.
I hope the collar hope of his shirt hasn't been stretched out either.
I didn't realise you were a VAR supporter and not a United supporter. But good on you for acknowledging that you can support something but also accept it can make a mistake!
Er, yeah, most people are using multiple videos as the basis for their decision (as VAR should have given the ref the opportunity to do) - you, however, seem reluctant to do that as your entire position is based on one still frame photo that gives the impression that Casemiro is throttling Will Hughes. Given that we have a plethora of other material to look at why are you sticking so firmly to your original assertion? Even the likes of Lineker - who never misses the opportunity to put the boot in - seems to have revised his initial opinion. I've read the entire exchange thanks, and my opinion - admittedly without the benefit of a VAR check - is that you are talking shit.
I support your right to post and also acknowledge that you made a mistake in your findings.
Sabitzer and Fred in midfield two should be more than enough to beat Leeds. EtH will figure it out. In our gaffer we trust!
4 points seems likeliest since it's twice in 5 days and now without Casemiro, but yeah it's certainly doable. Probably will need something special in one game from Rashford or a set piece plus game or De Gea save of the year or something, but lots of ways to get it done.
I'm glad you're starting to get it
hope the hangover isn't too bad in the morning.For those shouting for Casemiro to get a rest, be careful for what you wish for next time.
I simply don't think you've read my posts if you think my view is based on one image. The only purpose of the image was to show where Casemiro's thumbs were to show that he couldn't be grabbing his collar like it appeared in one angle.
Just because I've only posted one image doesn't mean that's all the argument is based on (and indeed, it would be literally impossible because the image was supplemental to the video in question).
I find all this very bizarre, you've clearly not read my posts.
Apprently its red worthy, but he didn't really seem using any force judging by the reaction of the opponents, so its a case of looking much worse than it actually was.
I knew it was going to be a red watching it live, it looked horrible in the clip the ref reviewed, however I was sure it looked a lot worse than it really is and I really don't think it deserves a 3 match ban.
a red? No way!!! the ABU train is staeming up is what this is
Absolute bullshit decision. He was barely using anyforce. Not his fault Will Hughes is a midget. If he was taller, his hands would have been on Hughes’ chest.
It’s a simple issue…a ref having mere seconds to review a 20 player scrum in slow motion on a tele on the side of the pitch in front of 70k fans in order to decide something as match altering as a red card for “violent action” (when the entire bloody thing is a violent action) is madness…and the problem (and yes that’s a rather ridiculous run on sentence).
It’s not Cases fault IMHO. He barely did anything but grab a guy by the collar (rather gently…I’ve been in a few scraps in my day and this was akin to a love tap) in a scrum. He just had the bad fortune to be caught by the cameras at a bad angle.
It’s a simple fix. Don’t allow bloody refs to review scrums for possible red cards. If you don’t see something live, move the f@@k on. It’s too chaotic, and you don’t have enough time to fully grasp the entire context. Fixed.
It’s not Cases fault IMHO. He barely did anything but grab a guy by the collar (rather gently…I’ve been in a few scraps in my day and this was akin to a love tap) in a scrum. He just had the bad fortune to be caught by the cameras at a bad angle.
It’s a simple fix. Don’t allow bloody refs to review scrums for possible red cards. If you don’t see something live, move the f@@k on. It’s too chaotic, and you don’t have enough time to fully grasp the entire context. Fixed.
You cannot put your hands around another player's neck and not get a red card in today's football; Roy Keane-like! He saw the red mist!
Away game concerns me,so glad we brought in Sabitzer over the other options because he has that defensive abilities too.
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Of course it was red.
But I am glad he did that.Everyone and their mom had pissed on us in last decade.
But I am glad he did that.Everyone and their mom had pissed on us in last decade.
How can anyone justify grabbing a player around the neck? Why, answer that, what threat was Will Hughes posing? Never have I ever been in confrontation with someone and felt the need to put both hands around their neck. Knowing VAR exists and knowing how you cannot raise your hands towards a players head in football gives him no leg to stand on.
If this was Maguire doing it the defence or rather criticism from the comments would be a huge U-turn. It's because it's Casemiro and how important he's become that is emotionally forming opinion.
If this was Maguire doing it the defence or rather criticism from the comments would be a huge U-turn. It's because it's Casemiro and how important he's become that is emotionally forming opinion.
Most people only saw the original angle. Calm yourself there.
Problem is if the appeals panel hasn't access to that other angle,can't really see how they change initial decision.
Reminds me of when Sol Campbell was sent off for elbow on Ole at Highbury in 2003,one angle looks like deliberate elbow but another shows him pushing him off.
I thought it was a red at first but on seeing the other angle it looks like we got stitched up by a dodgy angle and var not bothering to check much
I also think it’s silly that Antony got the same punishment as the guy who launched him into the ditch.. players need protection and he isn’t getting it, a challenge of that force can easily result in serious injury if you get unlucky
Antony could do his chest bump retaliation until Christmas and no damage will occur
I also think it’s silly that Antony got the same punishment as the guy who launched him into the ditch.. players need protection and he isn’t getting it, a challenge of that force can easily result in serious injury if you get unlucky
Antony could do his chest bump retaliation until Christmas and no damage will occur
Yeah, should also have been a red.
U/nfortunately United players with their hands around someone's throat stand out more than a Palace player in an all-out scuffle so they're much more likely to get caught and sent off.
Ayew is part of a big brawl involving most players, therefore whatever happens in that brawl is less likely to be picked out than Casemiro having his hands around Will Hughes' throat at the side of said brawl.
Casemiro guilty by timing/positioning but also by having his fecking hands anywhere near Will Hughes' head/face. Idiotic, unbefitting of a guy with such experience and absolutely guaranteed to result in a sending off regardless of the bitching and moaning of United fans. It's stupid beyond belief and we're gonna pay for it for the next few games.
Unfair? Absolutely
Stitched up? Absolutely
Completely predictable sending off? Absolutely.
Red in any circumstance for a United payer? Absolutely.
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Yeah it's worth an effort, I've seen a few comments online worrying about the potential increase to a 4 match ban because of it being deemed a frivolous appeal, but that's usually reserved for appeals where they've done it for delaying reasons, or real no hopers, I can't imagine it being the case here.
Having said that I can't see it being overturned. It's definitely not a red for me but they're very particular about incidents with the throat, even with the videos from the other angle the couple moments where the two hands are on the sides of the throat will be enough for them to stand by it imo, even though I'm sure had Andre Marriner had access to all the angles he wouldn't have given it.
At first, I thought it looked like you could justify a red card. Watching it from a different angle today (from cameras in the crowd) it is actually quite clear that his hands are on his jersey. They also smile and hug in the end. I really dont think it looks like violent behaviour. More of a misunderstanding based on the camera angle the referee had.
EtH should see the video and consider asking Casemiro and Hughes if he had his hands on his throat. If they both confirm he did not, they should try to turn it over. If they dont agree that he did not, leave it and move on.
EtH should see the video and consider asking Casemiro and Hughes if he had his hands on his throat. If they both confirm he did not, they should try to turn it over. If they dont agree that he did not, leave it and move on.
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Honestly, anyone that watched it live and thought It was a red is part of the problem. I said it in the match thread, it was all handbags with very little actually being violent. Football has become the most pathetic sport on earth in the last decade and so many soft fans perpetuate the issue.
Why wouldn't they have access to the other angle?
Nobody is a cheerleader for the ref. We simply understand that he’s left the ref no choice with the red. If this has happened the other way you’d all be scrambling fir a sending off.
oh and personally I’d have sent several off including Casemiro and Ayew
I tend to agree with this. Frustrating to have Casemiro out but you risk a red card putting your hands above a players shoulders, even if you don’t do anything.
That still doesn’t change the fact VAR only looked at Casemiro rather other players. Shlupp should have got two yellows for the foul and the involvement in the melee. Fred and Ayew were very lucky as well.
If you’re going to address fellow fans as cnuts you can go back on hiatus
Not a 3 match ban
That's what we are told for penalties and such reckless tackles like Fabinho and Andy Carroll last week.
There was about 15 players in there, so the referee missing one little incident that lasted 2 or 3 seconds is hardly a clear and obvious error. But as usual VAR is being used as and how they want to make it look like it's serving it's purpose.
Yellow. If it’s a red then send off Ayew and Fred too. Consistency is key if you’re going to be reducing players a side has available. Even without those two players he only grabs his shirt so I’d argue a yellow. He puts himself at risk by raising his hands unfortunately but still not enough for me. Not violent conduct either.