So now what happens to Karim Benzema? | Hat-tricks, lots of hat-tricks

No disrespect to Lewandowski, he is firmly in my the top 3 over the last 10 years or so, but he just lacks a little bit of something, and even if you take penalties out of it, he is a bit better at scoring than Benzema is.

Now, as far as being the most versatile, i struggle with Suarez vs Benzema, the latter has a bigger big game impact, especially in UCL, but i watched Liverpool, at times he was their entire attack on his own it felt like, and during times Messi was injuried at Barca, he really stepped up.

He was more than a number 9, just like Benzema.
They’re definitely the two best of this generation. Hard to choose between them. Benzema has the CL record and Balon Dor whereas Suarez I think could be more individually brilliant as we saw for Liverpool where as you say he was a one man machine, and then the year when he outscored Messi and Ronaldo. Suarez might have had a better peak in league football? Not sure. Either way those are the two for me of this generation.
 
Well that’s as in-depth as the rationale for your opinion of Klopp’s Liverpool being as good as football team you’ve ever seen so at least you’re consistent.
I am also correct. You should give cricket a chance, football is clearly not for you mate
 
Let’s say you have a stacked team and can choose between the following strikers for a Champions League game (stats from CL alone):

player 1: 0,98G+A/90 (0,74G/90 - 0,23A/90) technical 35 year old
player 2: 1,04G+A/90 goalscorer 34 years old
player 3: 1,20G+A/90 (0,43A/90) lightning fast versatile 24 year old
player 4: 1,74G+A/90 super fast physical monster 22 years old

I know player 1 looks tempting here, but who would you choose?

I'll pick the striker who comes up with goals at important moments and brings others into play with his awesome link up play, player who is almost impossible to isolate from the game.

It's amazing how you think Haaland is the answer for everything because he scored bunch of goals but no, he isn't.
 
Nah Haaland and Mbappé are really special though, they're gonna blow waaaaay beyond the Benzema/Lewandowski/Suarez/Henry etc...

Or at least they should
 
Nah Haaland and Mbappé are really special though, they're gonna blow waaaaay beyond the Benzema/Lewandowski/Suarez/Henry etc...

Or at least they should
You think Haaland will work out as having been a better player than Benz, Suarez and Henry? I don't see it myself.
 
Nah Haaland and Mbappé are really special though, they're gonna blow waaaaay beyond the Benzema/Lewandowski/Suarez/Henry etc...

Or at least they should
Better than Benz and Suarez he might be, but Henry was different class and I see no way in hell both of them reach Henry' elegance and IQ on a football field, no matter how many goals they score.
 
You think Haaland will work out as having been a better player than Benz, Suarez and Henry? I don't see it myself.
In all honesty he really should. His goalscoring is that freakish
 
I am also correct. You should give cricket a chance, football is clearly not for you mate
You are not correct re Liverpool. Unless you've not seen much football. Perhaps you are the one that should give cricket a try?
 
You think Haaland will work out as having been a better player than Benz, Suarez and Henry? I don't see it myself.
He will blow the numbers of all those players away for sure, barring injury.
 
I think many posters on the caf should learn to respect that opinions can be different without falling back on silly childish and non sensical remarks.

I am fully aware I have had my lesser moments in here as well but I try to learn without feeling butt hurt.
 
You are not correct re Liverpool. Unless you've not seen much football. Perhaps you are the one that should give cricket a try?
Nah, I am, you're a united fan who couldn't admit liverpool were good had they actually pulled off the quadruple
 
Nah, I am, you're a united fan who couldn't admit liverpool were good had they actually pulled off the quadruple
If you think that Liverpool team was the best team ever then you must not have watched a lot of football.
 
I am also correct. You should give cricket a chance, football is clearly not for you mate
Oh dear. When you’ve made a bad argument at least don’t back it up with that tired, imbecilic and bigoted response. Shows you in poor light (not as bad as the view that Liverpool is as good as any side over the past 12-13 years does but still close).
 
If you think that Liverpool team was the best team ever then you must not have watched a lot of football.
Best team ever is like saying Messi is the best player ever, kinda pointless trying to compare across eras. What i think is that it was one of the best sides ever, which is based on both performances and results across the season. If you don't think that's the case, based on losing the title by 1 point to another all time great side and a CL final to one of greatest goalkeeping performances of all time, then yeah, you really shouldn't talk about football
 
Why do you rate stefano above Ronaldo .
Ronnie has much better stats and was arguably more pivotal to your success.

He was a hyper dominant player in almost every game and every area of the pitch and quite probably the most influential footballer at club level even after retiring.
 
I think many posters on the caf should learn to respect that opinions can be different without falling back on silly childish and non sensical remarks.

I am fully aware I have had my lesser moments in here as well but I try to learn without feeling butt hurt.

feck off twat!!!

(It's an ironic joke, I agree with you)
 
You think Haaland will work out as having been a better player than Benz, Suarez and Henry? I don't see it myself.

He will work out to be a significantly better goalscorer. At some point the sheer presence and how teams are forced to adapt around him will also be appreciated instead of his goals being lambasted for being tapins and so easy that everyone could do it, yet no one does.

Henry is one of the most athletic and graceful players to ever put on a pair football boots. Haaland will easily score more goals than him, but the overall baller will always be Henry.
 
Best team ever is like saying Messi is the best player ever, kinda pointless trying to compare across eras. What i think is that it was one of the best sides ever, which is based on both performances and results across the season. If you don't think that's the case, based on losing the title by 1 point to another all time great side and a CL final to one of greatest goalkeeping performances of all time, then yeah, you really shouldn't talk about football
I really think you're the one one who shouldn't talk about football because you sound awfully confused, with all due respect. It's nothing like calling Messi the best ever because he actually has an argument, whatever the differences in era. That Liverpool team does not, in any capacity. They're not even the best side in their own country in their own era FFS :lol:
 
I really think you're the one one who shouldn't talk about football because you sound awfully confused, with all due respect. It's nothing like calling Messi the best ever because he actually has an argument, whatever the differences in era. That Liverpool team does not, in any capacity. They're not even the best side in their own country in their own era FFS :lol:
And i didn't say they were did i?
 
And i didn't say they were did i?
You said they were one of the best sides ever. In all of football. Which they are clearly not. Even if you restrict it to the Premier League, there's a number of teams you'd put in front of them.
 
You said they were one of the best sides ever. In all of football. Which they are clearly not. Even if you restrict it to the Premier League, there's a number of teams you'd put in front of them.
Like which ones?
 
Like which ones?
A few United teams, Arsenal's Invincibles, a couple of City's teams including their centurions, Mou's Chelsea etc etc. The team you are talking about didn't even win the league for crying out loud. Then once you bring in all the other teams around the world, where does that Liverpool team rank? Nowhere. Even if you expand it out and say Klopp's Liverpool, that whole era, they have one CL and one league title. Is that all time world greatness to you? If so, your standards can't be that high.
 
Weird mythologising the Liverpool side from last year which wasn't near as good as their side from 2018-2020 and was very dependent on Alisson bailing them out.
 
I deliberately said since Ronaldo left Madrid, from when Benzema became the main man at RM and “entered his prime”.
Here’s some stats from the 18/19 season and up to now:

Benzema: 156 goals (32 pens taken, 27 pens scored) and 52 assists in 18706 minutes
0,75 goals/90 minutes
0,62 non penalty goals/90 minutes
0,25 assists/90 minute
Since the start of last season Benzema has taken 23 penalties and missed 5

Lewandowski: 220 goals (38 pens taken, 33 scored) and 46 assists in 18671 minutes
1,06 goals/90
0,90 non penalty goals/90
0,22 assists/90
Since the start of last season Lewandowski has taken 11 penalties and missed 2

Mbappe: 181 goals (25 penalties takes, 20 scored) and 80 assists in 16608 minutes
0,98 goals/90
0,87 non penalty goals/90
0,43 assists/90
Since the start of last season Mbappe has taken 11 penalties and missed 3

Haaland (since he moved from Molde 1/1-2019): 157 goals (23 penalties taken, 21 scored) and 35 assists in 11699 minutes
1,22 goals/90
1,05 non penalty goals/90
0,28 assists/90
Since the start of last season Haaland has taken 14 penalties and scored all.

It’s not all about goals, but for a striker goals are of course important. As you can see, he’s been the pen-taker at RM pretty much the last 5 years

He‘s obviously a brilliant player, but is he the best striker the last 20 years?
No.
Only need to look at Lewa's goal scoring record for Barca this season to see the difference in Quality and his output between the German and Spanish leagues. Never mind the French league.

Ultimately the only reason Lewa/Suarez have superior stats to Benzema is that he was 'unfortunate' enough to be a good enough talent to sign for Real Madrid at 19 years of age and never got the chance to stat pad in his early 20s at an Ajax or a Lech Poznan.
 
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Only need to look at Lewa's goal scoring record for Barca this season to see the difference in Quality and his output between the German and Spanish leagues. Never mind the French league.
He's the top scorer in the league. What are you talking about?! :lol:
 
He's the top scorer in the league. What are you talking about?! :lol:
Compared to his usual numbers at Bayern ? Only need to read Barca fans views on him to see they are underwhelmed and were expecting more.

He's on a goal every 110 minutes so far at Barca. At Bayern last season it was a goal every 90. Well 1.03 goals every 90 to be exact.
 
Only need to look at Lewa's goal scoring record for Barca this season to see the difference in Quality and his output between the German and Spanish leagues. Never mind the French league.

Ultimately the only reason Lewa/Suarez have superior stats to Benzema is that he was 'unfortunate' enough to be a good enough talent to sign for Real Madrid at 19 years of age and never got the chance to stat pad in his early 20s at an Ajax or a Lech Poznan.
Except that Lewandowski has around 70 more goals than Benzema even if you remove all his Poland goals and include all of Benz's Lyon ones. The reason Benzema is behind is because he had seasons where he scored 5 goals, not because of any supposed 'statpadding'
 
Compared to his usual numbers at Bayern ? Only need to read Barca fans views on him to see they are underwhelmed and were expecting more.

He's on a goal every 110 minutes so far at Barca. At Bayern last season it was a goal every 90. Well 1.03 goals every 90 to be exact.
He has 17 goals and 6 assists in 23 games on a new team in a new league at age 34. He's the leading scorer in the league. Barca fans can bleat as much as they like; objectively, that's pretty good.
 
Recency bias. If you'd made that claim 7 years ago you'd have been laughed at. But 7 years ago, Benzema was 28 years old, around the age when you're supposed to be at your peak. What he's done is have a much better coda to his career than his main competitors for the best 21st century striker title. But they had much better periods before when Benz was not as prolific as he is now.

Recency. Benzema became in March the first Madrid player in history to score at least 20 goals in 11 consecutive seasons. Thats not recency, that's regularity and longevity.

https://onefootball.com/es/noticias...t=Siete minutos.,juego en las últimas semanas
 
If you're going to say someone is the best striker of the last 20 years (which is what the statement was, you might have missed that part) then you've got to explain why other contemporary number 9s are 100-200 goals ahead of him in their careers. It's not just about who is playing best in 2023.

Hmm, maybe because he had to okay a secondary role to CR7 instead of being the main striker like his contemporary rivals? That if Benzema had an option to finish but he also had CR7 on his side, he had always to pass instead of shooting took a lot of goals from him. That he couldn't tale penalties in Real Madrid till Sergio Ramos left Madrid in 2021 after 12 seasons in the team also affected that state. But compare the assists, and most important, the trophies won by each of them.
 
I deliberately said since Ronaldo left Madrid, from when Benzema became the main man at RM and “entered his prime”.
Here’s some stats from the 18/19 season and up to now:

Benzema: 156 goals (32 pens taken, 27 pens scored) and 52 assists in 18706 minutes
0,75 goals/90 minutes
0,62 non penalty goals/90 minutes
0,25 assists/90 minute
Since the start of last season Benzema has taken 23 penalties and missed 5

Lewandowski: 220 goals (38 pens taken, 33 scored) and 46 assists in 18671 minutes
1,06 goals/90
0,90 non penalty goals/90
0,22 assists/90
Since the start of last season Lewandowski has taken 11 penalties and missed 2

Mbappe: 181 goals (25 penalties takes, 20 scored) and 80 assists in 16608 minutes
0,98 goals/90
0,87 non penalty goals/90
0,43 assists/90
Since the start of last season Mbappe has taken 11 penalties and missed 3

Haaland (since he moved from Molde 1/1-2019): 157 goals (23 penalties taken, 21 scored) and 35 assists in 11699 minutes
1,22 goals/90
1,05 non penalty goals/90
0,28 assists/90
Since the start of last season Haaland has taken 14 penalties and scored all.

It’s not all about goals, but for a striker goals are of course important. As you can see, he’s been the pen-taker at RM pretty much the last 5 years

He‘s obviously a brilliant player, but is he the best striker the last 20 years?
No.

No he's not. The penalty taker after CR7 left Madrid was Sergio Ramos. Benzema became the penalty taker less than 2 years ago.
 
Except that Lewandowski has around 70 more goals than Benzema even if you remove all his Poland goals and include all of Benz's Lyon ones. The reason Benzema is behind is because he had seasons where he scored 5 goals, not because of any supposed 'statpadding'
He only had one season with 5 league goal. What's the plural for?
Scoring in the Bundesliga is far easier than doing it in the Prem.
These 40 goals seasons would have turned into 30 goals seasons in Spain and the 30 goals ones into 20.
 
Compared to his usual numbers at Bayern ? Only need to read Barca fans views on him to see they are underwhelmed and were expecting more.

He's on a goal every 110 minutes so far at Barca. At Bayern last season it was a goal every 90. Well 1.03 goals every 90 to be exact.
So he’s playing his first season for a new club in LaLiga, is topscorer in the league and plays for the league leader that is 12 points ahead of Real Madrid, and your point is?

Lewandowski has 26 non penalty goals and 7 assists in 2964 minutes for Barca this season.
0,82 non penalty goals/90 minutes

Benzema has 17 non penalty goals and 6 assists in 2617 minutes this season for RM.
0,58 non penalty goals/90 minutes
That includes 6 goals (1 pen) and 1 assist in the last week. A week ago he was on 11 non penalty goals for the season….
How is Benzema doing compared to Lewandowski this season?
 
He only had one season with 5 league goal. What's the plural for?
Scoring in the Bundesliga is far easier than doing it in the Prem.
These 40 goals seasons would have turned into 30 goals seasons in Spain and the 30 goals ones into 20.
Based on what?
The last 12 years LaLiga has had top scorers in the 40s 5 times (rest of the top 5 leagues= 1 time [Lewandowski beating a 50 year old record]), 11 of the last 15 golden shoe winners have played in LaLiga (Lewandowski has won 3 of the last 4, not because BL is so easy, but because he’s a fantastic goalscorer), they play 4 games more than the bundesliga per season and both Barca and RM scored 100+ goals in LaLiga on regular bases with greater goalscorers than Benzema leading their lines…