He shouldn't really need to win the CL. He's done more than enough for me.
So now what happens to Karim Benzema? | Hat-tricks, lots of hat-tricks
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Same, I don't know how much the voters will take into consideration his surrounding cast and just how much he contributes to his team's success, which is far more IMO than De Bryune or Salah do with their respective teams which are stacked all over pretty much. At this point, I feel the only way Benz loses the Ballon d'Or is by doing something stupid or violent on or off the field.
The Balon d'Or is between Benz & Salah.
According to me:
La Liga ---------- EPL ------------- CL-------------- Balon D'Or
Benz ------------------City------------------- Benz --------------------- Benz
Benz ------------------Salah---------------- Benz --------------------- Benz
Benz -----------------Salah------------------Salah --------------------Salah
Benz -----------------Salah----------------- City -----------------------Benz
Benz -----------------City --------------------City -----------------------Benz
According to me:
La Liga ---------- EPL ------------- CL-------------- Balon D'Or
Benz ------------------City------------------- Benz --------------------- Benz
Benz ------------------Salah---------------- Benz --------------------- Benz
Benz -----------------Salah------------------Salah --------------------Salah
Benz -----------------Salah----------------- City -----------------------Benz
Benz -----------------City --------------------City -----------------------Benz
finally. someone on here is able to produce a clear and concise graphic that even the layperson can follow.
De Bruyne having a monster game at the bernabeu and in the final, with City pulling off the double could beat him to it. Or Salah or Mane doing the same
But yeah, it looks unlikely right now and even if one of those things happen there's still little doubt he's the best player in the world this season
If he wins the Ballon d'or I think Madrid become the first team to have had 3 ballon d'or winners in one team since millan(im cheating a bit here since ronnie has left but he did play with them at the age time obviously).
I think I got an aneurysm from reading that
You forgot one more permutation I believe
Benz -----------------City --------------------Salah-----------------------
Benz -----------------City --------------------Villarreal -------------------Pau Torres
Sorted
Father --------- son ------------- holy ghost ---------- benz
Four Four Two magazine had a stab at it here:
They made a right arse of it, but kudos for trying.
Weird list, they put their stadium at nr 8.
Thanks for sharing. They got most of the names right but it seems a bit random. Rial is very low, Beckham shouldn't be and maybe Mac Manaman either.
If they want to include an Englishman I think it should be Cunningham, much loved by the people.
No way Figo above Modric and Di Stefano> Cristiano
Why do you rate stefano above Ronaldo .
Ronnie has much better stats and was arguably more pivotal to your success.
Because he wasn't more pivotal to their success? And it's not arguable at all.
And according to me, you could have just said 'Benzema unless Liverpool do the double' and saved a lot of people a headache.
I think the main issue with the list is the placement of Galactico-era players, which gets more and more strange until you get to Zidane being the third best player for RM, an absolutely outrageous statement.
The dominating Madrid in Europe was built by Bernabéu in the office and Di Stefano in the field.
The "philosophy" of the demand, of not giving up, of winning finals was imposed by him.
It could be said that without Di Stefano Cristiano would not have known Madrid. If it is for statistics, modern players would always or almost always win.
First time I'm seeing people rate do estefano higher so was taken back.
Also that 50s early 60s team was packed its not like di estefano was the only one dragging them along.
The top 5 should be easy enough:
Di Stefano, Ronaldo, Puskas, Kopa, Zidane*.
*Zidane is the questionable one for me, I don't really know why he would be above Raul or Modric.
And Ronaldo wasn't the only one dragging them along either. Ronaldo won far less, only actually won when the team added a lot of top talent and with the proper coaches too.
In terms of Real Madrid legend Di Stefano has always been above Ronaldo, it's not exactly new.
Interesting, I'm aware of his legendary status, but again that team was packed, take him out of it and I think you still would have probably won those finals.
If I may ask, do you also rank di stefano above ronnie in the all time rankings or only in the club rankings?
Is he done at Madrid? What level club would go for him? Would he be content being a backup for Lukaku?
How comedy gold does this looks in 2022?
To be fair at Chelsea; we would like to have him as a backup to Lumpkaku too
He didn't win far less, (8 League titles to 2 looks bad but that's about it)
Also di estefano as great as he was didn't exactly play in a very packed era, we got set back several years due to our tragedy and Italian team just hadn't gotten the hang of it yet.
He didn't exactly have to compete with a monstrous barca side and a very packed European scene.
what
That's very difficult, I've also watched very little of Di Stefano. Those who have seen him define him as the first professional player but they were light years away from the current ones. Alfredo won his last European Cup 62 years ago!. He wasn't in the same physical condition. In fact, he used to make advertisements for Lucky Strike! Or Puskas who had quite a big belly...
In terms of influence in their time period, I would put them on the same level. Di Stefano did not play in the World Cup, a pity
Bro you could have just said Benzema has got it in the bag unless Liverpool win the PL and CL.
Appreciate the effort though, and a well earned mod like
Those were different times for sure.Yeah his international career is quite wonky, changing teams and all that.
You're probably right about football players not being as professional though I believe their talent was nothing short of what we have now.
He won 6 fewer league titles and one fewer CL, that's far less. If you can't even recognize that there is no point having a conversation.
Here is the thing Di Stefano is an all time great player, he won more for Real Madrid, has a bigger place in the clubs history and fabric than Ronaldo ever will, he is the original galactico, he remained with the club as an executive and for those reasons he is Real Madrid number one legend.
A parallel to United would be Sir Bobby Charlton, some will argue that Best is the best ever, others argue that it's Ronaldo but neither can and will dethrone Sir Bobby Charlton, he is Manchester United.
Some players' status as the numero uno of their club is quite simply untouchable: Di Stéfano for Madrid, Beckenbauer for Bayern, Pelé for Santos, Cruyff for Ajax, Maradona for Napoli, and so forth. Surface level stats aren't the be-all and end-all when it comes to the Di Stéfano vs Cristiano argument for two primary reasons:
- Madrid's game ran through Di Stéfano whereas Cristiano was a goal-scorer who was a tertiary figure in build-ups. With that in mind, the former's record of 308 goals in 396 matches becomes even more impressive.
- Only one of them redefined what Madrid was on a fundamental level, and changed the nature and expectations of the institution — that is something raw statistics can't quite capture.
P.S. Zidane at #3 in that Four Four Two list is really weird. Not sure he is even the greatest French player to represent Madrid, let alone a greater figure for the club than Puskás, Gento, Pirri and the likes.
On a sentimental level I guess yeah, he can't be topped over there, still don't think he was a better player than ronnie but that becomes a whole other discussion.
That list isn't very good so I don't why people are giving it so much attention , they've just gone for the more recognizable names in there.
Keep in mind that you are talking about an all time great, it's not as if you were talking about just a good player. It's one of the best player ever on the field, that also had an off-field and historic influence that only very few players have had in the history of the game.
At the end of the day it's very important to keep in mind that we can't accurately rank two genuinely great players abilities and Ronaldo or Messi aren't in a different tier to other all time greats, which lead us to something that is actually quantifiable, that's the historical impact that a player has on the game and its history. Di Stefano was in his prime 70 years ago and he is still a main topic when it comes to Football history and it's due to the impact that he had on the game.
Oh i didn't say that at all, di estefano is obviously a goat level player im not taking that away from him(neither Messi or Ronaldo are my goat i give that to Diego armando)
Di estefano will obviously always live on but I'm afraid his legacy will be severely diminished by the mere fact that he didn't play in a world cup.
His name will only live on for the diehard Madrid fans and football nerds, hell im pretty sure your average Madrid fan couldn't name him and that is a shame.
As a player for Madrid, Ramos & Modric are surely ahead of Zidane. If you include his managerial stints then it becomes more difficult to rank.
How do we define better from a playing standpoint, though? At his peak, Cristiano was a a near unparalleled scorer, probably the greatest offensive header of the ball, and things of that nature — no doubt one of the finest to grace the sport, and an incredible competitor. But Di Stéfano had a massive overall impact on his teams as he would orchestrate the tempo of the game, organize his team-mates, occupy different positions across the pitch (like a quintessential total footballer), work his bollocks off in a defensive sense, and also dribble and score. There's definitely an argument to be made about Cristiano being a superior specialist in certain forward roles, but Di Stéfano is probably the most complete footballer of all time when you consider his overpowering influence on every facet (and not just goalward contributions).
“I watched him in a match when Manchester United played against Real in the semi-final of the European Cup in Madrid the year before the accident. In those days, there was no substitutes' bench; if you weren't playing, you were in the stand. I felt like I was looking down on what looked like a Subbuteo table—I was that high up—but I couldn't take my eyes off this midfield player and I thought, Who on earth is that?
He ran the whole show and had the ball almost all the time. I used to dream of that, and I used to hate it when anyone else got it. They beat us 3-1 and he dictated the whole game. I'd never seen anything like it before—someone who influenced the entire match. Everything went through him. The goalkeeper gave it to him, the full backs were giving it to him, the midfield players were linking up with him and the forwards were looking for him.
And there was Gento playing alongside and Di Stefano just timed his passes perfectly for him. Gento ran so fast you couldn't get him offside. And I was just sitting there, watching, thinking it was the best thing I had ever seen.
But I had been forewarned a bit by Matt Busby, the manager at the time, because he had been across and seen them play a match in Nice before the semi—in those days it wasn't easy to do that—and, when he came back, we asked him what they were like, but he didn't want to tell us. And I understood why he didn't when I saw them. I think he knew that, if he had said they were the best players he'd ever seen, it would have been all over for us before we'd started. And this was when Di Stefano was thirty. What must he have been like in his youth?”
He ran the whole show and had the ball almost all the time. I used to dream of that, and I used to hate it when anyone else got it. They beat us 3-1 and he dictated the whole game. I'd never seen anything like it before—someone who influenced the entire match. Everything went through him. The goalkeeper gave it to him, the full backs were giving it to him, the midfield players were linking up with him and the forwards were looking for him.
And there was Gento playing alongside and Di Stefano just timed his passes perfectly for him. Gento ran so fast you couldn't get him offside. And I was just sitting there, watching, thinking it was the best thing I had ever seen.
But I had been forewarned a bit by Matt Busby, the manager at the time, because he had been across and seen them play a match in Nice before the semi—in those days it wasn't easy to do that—and, when he came back, we asked him what they were like, but he didn't want to tell us. And I understood why he didn't when I saw them. I think he knew that, if he had said they were the best players he'd ever seen, it would have been all over for us before we'd started. And this was when Di Stefano was thirty. What must he have been like in his youth?”