So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

Josh 76 said:
This!
Klopp apparently praised this idiot for sticking to his principles (playing attacking open football) in the match day programme.
So I presume Eddie didn't want to disapoint him.
I'm sure Klopp had the best bottle of wine waiting for him after the match and there nice cosy chat went something like this;

Klopp ' well played Eddie, I thought you were going to do something stupid and play defensive and give us no space'

Eddie 'oh no way Mr Klopp, I would never be that naive. That thought didn't even cross my mind'

Klopp 'cheers'

Eddie 'cheers Mr Klopp'.

Klopp really thinking 'thick bastard'
Eddie really thinking 'please bend over'
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Don't tell me this thread keeps getting bumped because of the old "another useless team has rolled over for Liverpool" narrative.

Bournemouth took 4 points off Liverpool as recently as 16/17. The reality these days Liverpool are fair bit better than that period.

Is a 3-0 at Anfield worse than a 4-1 at Old Trafford, I have no idea.
 
K2K said:
He seemingly can't coach a defense. His teams concede them by the bucket load.

Marco Silva is a good example of someone who had questions about his teams defending even before he got bigger jobs. The trend continued elsewhere.

I sincerely hope isn't a contender for the United job.
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Moyes Everton team was always defensively very well drilled, didn't help him much at Man. United.

Big Sam can drill a defence but I can think of a million other reasons why no top 6 club has ever appointed him. Or Pulis for that matter.

In Pochettino only full season at Southampton they had these results:

Arsenal 2-0 Southampton
Chelsea 3-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-3 Spurs
Southampton 0-3 Chelsea
Everton 2-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-2 Arsenal
Southampton 0-3 Liverpool (useless Pochettino rolling over to Liverpool in their title charge ;))
Spurs 3-2 Southampton
Man. City 4-1 Southampton

So barely keeping a clean sheet or gaining much points against the top 6. However Spurs saw through all that and saw an exciting young manager promoting youth and playing modern pressing game.

Howe should move to Bundesliga. Hoffenheim hardly ever keep a clean sheet but Nagalsmann is rightly regarded as one of best young coaches in europe and the league is generally for teams to press and counter attack hence not many good defences records.
 
FootballHQ said:
Moyes Everton team was always defensively very well drilled, didn't help him much at Man. United.

In Pochettino only full season at Southampton they had these results:

Arsenal 2-0 Southampton
Chelsea 3-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-3 Spurs
Southampton 0-3 Chelsea
Everton 2-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-2 Arsenal
Southampton 0-3 Liverpool (useless Pochettino rolling over to Liverpool in their title charge ;))
Spurs 3-2 Southampton
Man. City 4-1 Southampton

So barely keeping a clean sheet or gaining much points against the top 6. However Spurs saw through all that and saw an exciting young manager promoting youth and playing modern pressing game.

Howe should move to Bundesliga. Hoffenheim hardly ever keep a clean sheet but Nagalsmann is rightly regarded as one of best young coaches in europe and the league is generally for teams to press and counter attack hence not many good defences records.
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Marco Rose from Red Bull Salzburg seems to be Hoffenheim's next manager. For Howe the smart move is to stay at Bournemouth until the Spurs job opens up.
 
FootballHQ said:
Moyes Everton team was always defensively very well drilled, didn't help him much at Man. United.

In Pochettino only full season at Southampton they had these results:

Arsenal 2-0 Southampton
Chelsea 3-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-3 Spurs
Southampton 0-3 Chelsea
Everton 2-1 Southampton
Southampton 2-2 Arsenal
Southampton 0-3 Liverpool (useless Pochettino rolling over to Liverpool in their title charge ;))
Spurs 3-2 Southampton
Man. City 4-1 Southampton

So barely keeping a clean sheet or gaining much points against the top 6. However Spurs saw through all that and saw an exciting young manager promoting youth and playing modern pressing game.

Howe should move to Bundesliga. Hoffenheim hardly ever keep a clean sheet but Nagalsmann is rightly regarded as one of best young coaches in europe and the league is generally for teams to press and counter attack hence not many good defences records.
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The Moyes thing is just a terrible example. He was just a poor manager ill fitted for such a big job. I never said that good defensive managers make a great stepup at bigger clubs. But a manager must be able to coach a functioning defense at least.

The Pochettino examples are equally as poor. You have even thrown in games that they lost by 1 goal. Howes teams have conceded 4 or more in a number of games and in which they were thrashed in. Again I never said a manager that will do well is one that will grind out 0-0s or hardly concede. But Bournemouth get more than fair share of thrashings. That's a concern.
 
K2K said:
The Moyes thing is just a terrible example. He was just a poor manager ill fitted for such a big job. I never said that good defensive managers make a great stepup at bigger clubs. But a manager must be able to coach a functioning defense at least.

The Pochettino examples are equally as poor. You have even thrown in games that they lost by 1 goal. Howes teams have conceded 4 or more in a number of games and in which they were thrashed in. Again I never said a manager that will do well is one that will grind out 0-0s or hardly concede. But Bournemouth get more than fair share of thrashings. That's a concern.
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It's still a team conceding 2s, 3s and 4s on regular basis to best teams in the league. Just like Bournemouth.

Bournemouth this season have kept clean sheets home or away against Cardiff, Watford, Fulham, Southampton,Brighton, West Ham. And Chelsea. So majority of teams below them which suggests he sets up o.k against bottom half teams.
 
FootballHQ said:
They also won at West Ham, won 4-0 at Bournemouth, 3-0 at Fulham.... Wolves also lost at Cardiff.

Mid table team in being shite away from home shock.

Thing with away in premier league is top 6 hardly ever lose home games and when they do it tends to be to each other (Arsenal only lost to Man City in the league, Man United only actually lost to Spurs at OT under Mourinho despite all the doom and gloom) so you're talking of 13 other venues where you can realistically win at and 3-4 of those will have very strong home records like Stoke and Burnley in recent years.

Cardiff have beaten Fulham, Wolves, Southampton and Brighton at home before Bournemouth so that suggests they raise themselves for home games v mid table teams as they obviously need to win those to stay up.

Looking at what Bournemouth have left I give them wins over Huddersfield, Newcastle, Burnley, Fulham and a shock win over Spurs. Two draws on top and they get to 50 points and 8th or 9th position. So for them poor away form dosen't matter unless you're expecting them to post a 60 + season or something.
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I'm not talking about the points side of things, they are just fecking all over the place defensively away from home and concede a shit tonne. Mid table teams don't get turned over as badly as they do away from home, you have to surely see they need to strike a balance.
 
Lash said:
I'm not talking about the points side of things, they are just fecking all over the place defensively away from home and concede a shit tonne. Mid table teams don't get turned over as badly as they do away from home, you have to surely see they need to strike a balance.
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They do. Spurs had that season a few years back when they were losing 6-0 to Man. City and 4-0 to Chelsea and Liverpool. They also got a few thrashings at WHL.

Arsenal in many of the aways to rivals under Wenger of course.

Liverpool in 14/15 lost eight away games including a 6-1 defeat to Stoke City.

All clubs with great resources and expectations those seasons than Bournemouth.
 
charlenefan said:
Anyone who wanted him to be Manchester United manager needs to be banned from watching football forever
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This is one of the stupidest things I've read on here considering Solskjaer was not even in the equation in the last five years let alone 5 month ago.
Don't expect anything less from some of the kneejerkers on here
 
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Adisa said:
Lads, we have some injuries and we are away to a much better team known for destroying teams with a high line. So let's keep it right and be difficult to break down.
No, not this guy, it's all or nothing, go big or go home. His game management is abysmal. Six of thier last seven losses have been by at least two goals. He knows nothing about keeping things tight.
Naive cnut.
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Bojan11 said:
Said it before in here before his supporters shouted down at me about money and other stupid stuff.

They were the perfect opponents for Liverpool today. They were never going to make it difficult or hard to be broken down. They just too easy to play against. Yeah they look good in attacking at times and I’d give credit to Howe for that. But in some games you got to especially away from home to tighten up.
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IrishRedDevil said:
Naive clown. 8 away defeats on the bounce.
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I strongly disagree with these opinions. Look at the starting 11 today, it's championship quality. He constantly gets his team comfortably midtable because of his commitment to his philosophy. When you play competitive football for a manager who has a certain way of playing you will learn the tactic inside and out, it's not like football manager where you can just switch to a defensive tactic, there will be slight deviations depending on the opponent but you're not going to suddenly do a 180 and play a completely different style of football.

I honestly don't understand how people can label a manager who's wage budget is always one of the lowest in the league yet constantly keeps his team midtable a 'naive cnut'. The job he's done has been absolutely fantastic and it's refreshing to see a manager who is committed to playing positive football, rather than playing dour defensive football, the only teams in the prem who have scored more than Bournemouth are the top 6, Bournemouth have outscored every other side.
 
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Cascarino said:
I strongly disagree with these opinions. Look at the starting 11 today, it's championship quality. He constantly gets his team comfortably midtable because of his commitment to his philosophy. When you play competitive football for a manager who has a certain way of playing you will learn the tactic inside and out, it's not like football manager where you can just switch to a defensive tactic, there will be slight deviations depending on the opponent but you're not going to suddenly do a 180 and play a completely different style of football.

I honestly don't understand how people can label a manager who's wage budget is always one of the lowest in the league yet constantly keeps his team midtable a 'naive cnut'. The job he's done has been absolutely fantastic and it's refreshing to see a manager who is committed to playing positive football, rather than playing dour defensive football.
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Good post.
 
He is the new Martinez. Decent manager who plays great football, but cannot defend at all. Think that he would do better in a bigger club.
 
FootballHQ said:
It's still a team conceding 2s, 3s and 4s on regular basis to best teams in the league. Just like Bournemouth.

Bournemouth this season have kept clean sheets home or away against Cardiff, Watford, Fulham, Southampton,Brighton, West Ham. And Chelsea. So majority of teams below them which suggests he sets up o.k against bottom half teams.
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Again you are deliberately missing the point.

There's a difference between conceding in a end to end game where both sides are going for it and being thrashed in games.

And your last point.. Is that an admission doesn't he doesn't set up well against teams higher up the table? Because not all smaller teams get as bloodied in terms of scorelines as his do. Believing in attacking football doesn't mean neglecting the defensive part of it. It doesn't mean that once he moves to a bigger club with better defenders things will automatically get better. Not without a solid defensive system.. And no.. I'm not saying he won't be able to get the odd cleansheets against the Cardiff's and Swansea's of these world.
 
Still don't understand people not rating Howe. Have a look at their players. The only good players there are players that they bought and managed to get because Howe brought them to where they are now and he did so by playing good football.

You see the squads of Brighton, Burnley and Bournemouth and you would expect them to be fodder for the bigger teams if you knew nothing about them but they're all capable of playing good football and none of those teams are teams that you expect to roll over. Bournemouth are the least defensive of the three and so typically lose more against the top 6 but they are also better and more capable of crushing the other teams around them in the table.
 
Every few years there's a British manager who has a team doing reasonably well, then gets excessively praised, then gets linked with top jobs, and then amounts to very little.

I'd be surprised if Howe wasn't a new member of that group.
 
starman said:
This is one of the stupidest things I've read on here considering Solskjaer was not even in the equation in the last five years let alone 5 month ago.
Don't expect anything less from some of the kneejerkers on here
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What's Ole got to do with Howe?
 
I would rather watch Howe having his team play progressive modern football the watch Pulis or one of those other dinosaurs that continuously get jobs.
Yes Bournemouth are occasionally going to get a beating but I am sure their fans wont mind losing at Anfield if they occasionally beat a Chelsea.
Some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous, Bournemouth away to the league leaders. What were you lot expecting?
 
Red_Beans said:
I would rather watch Howe having his team play progressive modern football the watch Pulis or one of those other dinosaurs that continuously get jobs.
Yes Bournemouth are occasionally going to get a beating but I am sure their fans wont mind losing at Anfield if they occasionally beat a Chelsea.
Some of the posts in this thread are ridiculous, Bournemouth away to the league leaders. What were you lot expecting?
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Some sort of tactics to avoid another hammering for one thing .
 
An Irish Red said:
Every few years there's a British manager who has a team doing reasonably well, then gets excessively praised, then gets linked with top jobs, and then amounts to very little.

I'd be surprised if Howe wasn't a new member of that group.
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The praise directed at Howe is hardly excessive. Both he and Bournemouth are one of British football’s ultimate cinderellla stories.
 
Definitely a good manager who did pretty well with Bournemouth. Only problem is he got overrated as good enough for big jobs, which leads to people having to criticize him, which leads to bashing what he did and he turns from being overrated to underrated. I have seen this cycle with several young managers before. If people don't overrate him from the start and evaluate him as what he's, no one will find a need to bash him.

I think he can do well at Spurs or Arsenal from the big clubs. Not sure about the rest tbh.
 
lsd said:
Some sort of tactics to avoid another hammering for one thing .
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They have one of the smallest budgets in the league and are looking good for another top 10 finish. Bournemouth try play football and yes they got a hammering at Anfield yesterday, but teams that go there and park the bus also get hammered. Their positive approach saw them score four past Chelsea not long ago. They are not here competing for top four, a loss to the league leaders means very little to their season
 
I'm not saying he should be all Pulis. Even Pep sometimes closes games down and is a bit defensive. Howe seemingly can't do it or doesn't bother to.
He's a good manager but losing 8 away games on the bounce is poor. 6 of their lat 7 losses have been by 2+ goals. That's tells me he has to sort things out tactically as he has problems managing games.
No one is saying he should turn into big Sam. Those are poor statistics under any manager.
 
charlenefan said:
What's Ole got to do with Howe?
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Maybe go back to his time at Cardiff and some of the hammerings he took, you and @isd would be the first ones lambasting him and laughing and the slightest suggestion of him being United manager.
But as I said theres lot of kneejerkers on here. Marco Silva was being put forward at one point, ffs

In 9 years Howe has gone from bottom of the football league, with the club on the verge of administration to stable PL club to possibly their first time qualifying for Europe, all on a shoestring budget while playing progressive football. Only idiots overlook this and react to a away loss to the league leaders as him being crap
 
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Adisa said:
I'm not saying he should be all Pulis. Even Pep sometimes closes games down and is a bit defensive. Howe seemingly can't do it or doesn't bother to.
He's a good manager but losing 8 away games on the bounce is poor. 6 of their lat 7 losses have been by 2+ goals. That's tells me he has to sort things out tactically as he has problems managing games.
No one is saying he should turn into big Sam. Those are poor statistics under any manager.
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That is a fair comment and Howe clearly has aspects he can work on. I just find it strange that this thread is getting bumped after a loss to Liverpool, no matter how Howe set them up they were not going to win.
Howe is a good mid table manager. I think he has been over hyped to some extent and I do not want to see him manage Manchester United but I firmly believe that the league is better off having more coaches like Howe and less like Pulis
 
The thing is this wasn't just a home banker at Anfield , it was a home banker that was going to be a thrashing.
It's just frustrating that everyone saw it coming, including Howe, but he didn't try and do something different.
If he did try and set up differently, and was thrashed, people would have had a little sympathy for him, knowing that playing his normal game would not work at Anfield (which it didn't).
 
I think Howe is using these games to audition for the next Liverpool manager role. I mean in two games he has already got them 6 points, 7 goals and 2 clean sheets.
 
Think some have completely missed the point on Eddie Howe being naive. People don't mean he's shit or should be like pulis (how some got to that conclusion :lol:) but rather that despite being on a small budget he doesn't change their way of play when playing vs top teams (specially away) thus walks into their hands, which is naive IMO. It doesn't mean he's a bad manager or should change his style to likes of big sam or pullis.

Anyone could have seem the way this game vs pool was going to go and same applies to vs Ole's United but the manager didn't change his style thus got the results he deserved. Some may admire that and call it being brave etc... but at the end of the day, not being adaptable to certain situations isnt something to be admired. Wenger is a perfect example of a manager who despite knowing the problems never changed and went many years without a trophy thus ruined his legacy at Arsenal IMO. Hell even pep learned a lesson after many poor results vs the weatherman. Having the ability to adapt your style to certain teams doesn't mean go full pullis.

No one is expecting Bournemouth to beat big teams (despite beating sari ball rubbish) but it just shows lack of adaptability from the manager that he walks into the same trap every time (like wenger).
 
lsd said:
Don't you know? Howe could have did the same job Ole has done .

At least thats what his fans will be claiming next
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How do you know he wouldn't?

Fact is none of us know how he would have done. Ole got relegated ffs, and now he's being touted on here as Ferguson MKII, whilst Howe is a nothing manager. Whatever way you want to align yourself it doesn't change any of it being incredibly knee jerk.
 
K2K said:
Again you are deliberately missing the point.

There's a difference between conceding in a end to end game where both sides are going for it and being thrashed in games.

And your last point.. Is that an admission doesn't he doesn't set up well against teams higher up the table? Because not all smaller teams get as bloodied in terms of scorelines as his do. Believing in attacking football doesn't mean neglecting the defensive part of it. It doesn't mean that once he moves to a bigger club with better defenders things will automatically get better. Not without a solid defensive system.. And no.. I'm not saying he won't be able to get the odd cleansheets against the Cardiff's and Swansea's of these world.
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O.k let's move on the debate... are you of the opinion he should automatically get rejected for every single big job and not get chances like Martinez did, AVB, Sarrri (remind me what he's won again) etc?

He's a good manager. The results and seasons Bournemouth have had since 2013 reflect that. Every time they move up a level they apadt and prosper.

Now if we're talking about Sean Dyche there is a manager who thrives at the level he's up and sends out very well drilled sides but he'd be out of his depth at the top level imo, I can't say either way whether Howe would be. He has his good and bad points like vast majority of managers. To not even get the chance though wouldn't be fair.
 
Kag said:
The praise directed at Howe is hardly excessive. Both he and Bournemouth are one of British football’s ultimate cinderellla stories.
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It’s an extraordinary achievement, people underestimate the job he’s done and is doing.

Adisa said:
I'm not saying he should be all Pulis. Even Pep sometimes closes games down and is a bit defensive. Howe seemingly can't do it or doesn't bother to.
He's a good manager but losing 8 away games on the bounce is poor. 6 of their lat 7 losses have been by 2+ goals. That's tells me he has to sort things out tactically as he has problems managing games.
No one is saying he should turn into big Sam. Those are poor statistics under any manager.
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While it’s not great, it’s been a tough run. The 8 away games include Liverpool, Everton, Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea, Wolves and Man City.

Pep might close down games when they’re coming to the end of a game, but he’s not going to fundamentally change the way they play. You can’t prepare playing a certain way and then completely change the foundations of how a team plays in a week by week set up. Howe does change the way he sets his team up to a certain extent when away to superior opposition, it’s just his team is massively outmatched.
 
Hey @K2K Sarriball has lost away against Spurs, Wolves, Arsenal, Bournemouth and Man. City by an aggregate of 17-2.

"Are you Eddie in disguise...." ;)
 
FootballHQ said:
O.k let's move on the debate... are you of the opinion he should automatically get rejected for every single big job and not get chances like Martinez did, AVB, Sarrri (remind me what he's won again) etc?

He's a good manager. The results and seasons Bournemouth have had since 2013 reflect that. Every time they move up a level they apadt and prosper.

Now if we're talking about Sean Dyche there is a manager who thrives at the level he's up and sends out very well drilled sides but he'd be out of his depth at the top level imo, I can't say either way whether Howe would be. He has his good and bad points like vast majority of managers. To not even get the chance though wouldn't be fair.
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I never said that.

I'm saying that it shouldn't be at United. I don't even dislike him. But the hallmark of many a great United teams were great defenses (But not necessarily defensive) . His teams hardly impress in that regards.
 
K2K said:
And that's why he's never won a single trophy and should have never left Napoli.

Hardly a ringing endorsement for anyone. He's a goner. Hopefully only after we play them though.
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Still got the chance to manage Chelsea though, that's part of my point.
 
As a supporter of a club in a similar position I would much rather be watching a side play the way Bournemouth do and have a couple of fantastic results like the Chelsea one although can get trounced by the top clubs than show up each week and look absolutely turd ala Everton while spending much less. In that regard he's doing very well with the club he's at and punching well above his weight in the overall way the club is run and performing. As is continuously said within this thread, the only black mark against him so far is that he is continously thumped by the top sides and until that changes he should keep learning with Bournemouth.
 
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