So let's talk about Eddie Howe....

Irrational. said:
My only concern is Howe is whether he'd be able to win the respect of the dressing room prima donnas. Otherwise he'd be a good appointment and I'd be willing to give him time.
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Wipe the slate clean, give the prima donnas worth it time to get into the program or boot them out. The carrot for them would be playing prober attacking football and if that does not do it, kick them out. Back Howe with a strong DOF and for a little fun have Roy Keane on the coaching team as the "bad cop" and let him have the role of keeping the players on their toes.
 
the chameleon said:
So true. This is why we have to go for either Howe or Jardim. Everyone else is a no-go.
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I agree with your general summary, for me there aren't really any options more interesting than the likes of Jardim and Howe. Not entirely sure where i'd place Zidane after his stint at Madrid, not sure what his motivation is.
 
johanovic said:
Wipe the slate clean, give the prima donnas worth it time to get into the program or boot them out. The carrot for them would be playing prober attacking football and if that does not do it, kick them out. Back Howe with a strong DOF and for a little fun have Roy Keane on the coaching team as the "bad cop" and let him have the role of keeping the players on their toes.
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God no.
 
johanovic said:
Guardiola had no manager experince before taking on the Barcelona job
Zidane had no manager expericne before taking on the Madrid job

Eddie Howe has a 10 years experince as a manager and during that time he has taken a club that was forced into administration and became a manager at the age of 31. Since then he has done a remarkable thing with Bournemouth and gave Man City a proper game at the Ethihad that was in stark contrast to what Man Utd were able to do there. He has done if you had bothered to read a little about the man in the articiles I linked by having very high standards in training on top of some very shrewd buy´s for a club with limited finances. Ake,Wilson,Brooks,King,Cook,Fraser are an example of that. His team is at the top of running distances per team, sprints and so on. Saying Howe has to earn a reputation after doing this job the hard way for 10 years is laughable and an example of when people do not want to face facts. We missed a trick by not getting Klopp from Dortmund but I firmly belief that Howe will be a great manager for what ever team he takes next.
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Very insightful post which I fully agree with.
 
Irrational. said:
My only concern is Howe is whether he'd be able to win the respect of the dressing room prima donnas. Otherwise he'd be a good appointment and I'd be willing to give him time.
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Not sure how much of a concern this actually is.
 
johanovic said:
hehehe it would be interesting to see Pogba vs Keane but despite joking about this I think some of these players could do with a prober hairdryer from time to time
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The players need to be put in their place in regards to their awful workrate.

But a hairdryer isn't going to make our players be able to pass a ball quickly or control a football consistently well. They're beyond hope most of them.
 
I’m undecided on the thought of Howe taking charge but one thing he seems to possess is a fantastic temperament. Rarely, if ever, in trouble with the authorities and he always seem to be able to keep a lid on his emotions.
 
UncleBob said:
Not sure how much of a concern this actually is.
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You can see what kind of influence players like Pogba are having on the dressing room. They can make or break the team - he can either be inspirational like he has been for France, or help in creating a toxic atmosphere by turning against the manager like here.

He'd be much more likely to knuckle down under a Zidane than a Howe.
 
Irrational. said:
You can see what kind of influence players like Pogba are having on the dressing room. They can make or break the team - he can either be inspirational like he has been for France, or help in creating a toxic atmosphere by turning against the manager like here.

He'd be much more likely to knuckle down under a Zidane than a Howe.
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I see a manager that's known for creating a toxic atmosphere, and players who are clearly frustrated with the situation and how we are playing and performing.
 
Irrational. said:
My only concern is Howe is whether he'd be able to win the respect of the dressing room prima donnas. Otherwise he'd be a good appointment and I'd be willing to give him time.
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Funny thing is he's arguably a better manager than many of the ones who've managed these players at international level.

You really think Lindelof who was managed for a few years by the woeful Erik Hamren would really turn his nose up at Eddie Howe? Doubt Smalling or Jones would have an issue given they had Hodgson as boss for 4 years. Fellani and Bailley had Marc Wilmots....

Yeah Pogba if he's still there might have issues but he probably will have moved on and he's still only 1 player out of squad of 25. In any case don't indulge him so much like Emery is doing with Ozil.
 
dogwithabone said:
I’m undecided on the thought of Howe taking charge but one thing he seems to possess is a fantastic temperament. Rarely, if ever, in trouble with the authorities and he always seem to be able to keep a lid on his emotions.
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Bit like Moyes.

Another point is that Howe has utterly zero CL experience - he's literally never managed a single CL game in his career...

I'm genuinely stunned that a good number of United fans would actively welcome the Glazers giving Eddie Howe a contract managing United.

As I was with Moyes.
 
CA1 said:
The players need to be put in their place in regards to their awful workrate.

But a hairdryer isn't going to make our players be able to pass a ball quickly or control a football consistently well. They're beyond hope most of them.
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Agree with you but I belive we have the following players able to work out in playing for Eddie Howe:
De Gea,Dalot,Lindelof,Shaw,Tuanzebe,Pogba,Pereira,Lingard,Fred,Herrera,Rashford,Martial,Lukaku
I would belive these players should be moved on:
Bailly,Jones,Smalling,Rojo,Young,Valencia,Darmian,Fellaini,Matic,Sanchez and Mata(like the guy a lot but no mobile enough)
We have a very promising batch of young players in:
O´Connor,Laird,Barlow,Gomes,Chong,Traore,Garner,Greenwood
If we would sign some of the players of the following calibre things would start to look a whole lot better:
De Light (Ajax), Skriniar(Inter),Koulibaly(Napoli), Kante(Chelsea),Ndombele(Lyon),de Jong(Ajax)Lozano(PSV) Malcom(Barca)Dembele(Barca)Sancho(Dortmund)Sessegnon(Fulham)

Having a squad like:
GK: De Gea, J Pereira, Henderson
Right back: Dalot,Laird,O'Connor
Centre back:Koulibaly,Lindlof,Skrinar,Tunzebe
Left back:Shaw,Sessegnon
Midfield:Pogba,Kante,De Jong,Fred,Herrera,Peireira,Gomes,Garner,Traore,Barlow
Wings:Martial,Lozano,Sancho,Lingard,Chong,
Strikers:Lukaku,Rashford,Greenwood
 
I think it's more would he want to come to us, when you look at the state of our club at the moment I think he could hold out for Liverpool or Tottenham, I think one of them will lose their manager to Madrid in the summer and he would be a perfect fit for them.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Bit like Moyes.

Another point is that Howe has utterly zero CL experience - he's literally never managed a single CL game in his career...

I'm genuinely stunned that a good number of United fans would actively welcome the Glazers giving Eddie Howe a contract managing United.

As I was with Moyes.
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I don’t buy it too. I just see Howe similar to Brenton.

Yeah he’s done a great job at Bournemouth. But I’d like to see him do it another club before saying he’s the right man for the job. He should have moved to Everton or Leicester.

I rather go for Jardim if it was a choice of them two.
 
The last thing the new type of pre-madonna players need is managers who shout at their face all the time to show who is in control. These players don't need that type of manager anymore. Social media or not they are professionals that look after themselves most of the time and players that dont such as Depay stick out like a sore thumb when seen smoking for example.

These players have been better with the younger managers in my opinion and have been even better with managers who are young and are previous footballers themselves - almost having something to relate to.

Whilst Howe might not have that; I think the lack of player control is an overrated aspect - players nowadays rather have that team built aspect that is a direct representation of tactics that revolve around getting the best out of a team. They dont need a manager to put them to detention individually - they need to feel in part of a well oiled machine - once that is there; players that do not technically or mentally fit in to such a team becomes clear and can be taken out of the team and club.
 
christy87 said:
I think it's more would he want to come to us, when you look at the state of our club at the moment I think he could hold out for Liverpool or Tottenham, I think one of them will lose their manager to Madrid in the summer and he would be a perfect fit for them.
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Would Eddie Howe want to come to Manchester United...?

I'm thinking yes.

fecking hell, what's going with some of you.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Bit like Moyes.

Another point is that Howe has utterly zero CL experience - he's literally never managed a single CL game in his career...

I'm genuinely stunned that a good number of United fans would actively welcome the Glazers giving Eddie Howe a contract managing United.

As I was with Moyes.
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Well he can learn european football from the europa league....
 
Vadim said:
Well, someone who hasn’t just managed fecking AFC Bournemouth would be a start. You should have some CL experience at least before you manage us.

I’m all for an adventurous appointment. But the risk involved in Edward Howe, well, my ass would be going. Would I take him over Jose right now though? Yes.
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This is such an old school way of looking at things.

Do you know how many top class managers wouldn’t have jobs if they went by your criteria?

Who had Pep managed before he got the Barca job? Who has Zidane managed before he won 3 CL’s in a row with Madrid? Who did Simeone manage before he got Atl Madrid to multiple CL Finals and winning a La Liga title? Who did Klopp manage before getting the Dortmund job? Pochettino? Favre at Dortmund?

I’m not saying Howe should be our manager, I’m just saying I don’t really care much about CL/big club experience.

As long as we have a plan in place first i.e. DoF and the manager has shown they’re good enough, has a philosophy and fit our club, that should be enough IMO.
 
Aloysius's Back 3 said:
The last thing the new type of pre-madonna players need is managers who shout at their face all the time to show who is in control. These players don't need that type of manager anymore. Social media or not they are professionals that look after themselves most of the time and players that dont such as Depay stick out like a sore thumb when seen smoking for example.

These players have been better with the younger managers in my opinion and have been even better with managers who are young and are previous footballers themselves - almost having something to relate to.

Whilst Howe might not have that; I think the lack of player control is an overrated aspect - players nowadays rather have that team built aspect that is a direct representation of tactics that revolve around getting the best out of a team. They dont need a manager to put them to detention individually - they need to feel in part of a well oiled machine - once that is there; players that do not technically or mentally fit in to such a team becomes clear and can be taken out of the team and club.
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I think players respond more to how good training sessions are and the instructions given by manager and his staff. Players quickly suss whether the manager knows what he's doing and of course their day-to-day work has to be enjoyable aswell which it obviously isn't at the minute.

With Moyes alleged stuff like showing Rio and Vidic the Jagielka video isn't obviously going to impress them much.

Main thing for me is Howe is an English coach who plays modern pressing style and that would certainly impress the players.
 
UncleBob said:
I agree with your general summary, for me there aren't really any options more interesting than the likes of Jardim and Howe. Not entirely sure where i'd place Zidane after his stint at Madrid, not sure what his motivation is.
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Same, I'm not sure about Zidane. A - We don't know his track record with signings. He's a great motivator, but he had such an exceptional bunch of players to get the best out of. We don't know if he can build a team up, whoever, takes over will need to be able to build a team and squad. Can he work with the resources we have and get the best out of them (even though we will eventually sell the likes of Jones and Fellaini on, we are not going suddenly change a whole squad. Can Zidane manage a transition? He left Real Madrid before the rebuild.

There are so many unanswered questions about Zidane. With Pep at Barcelona, we already knew he was a world class tactician and man-manager. Zidane is also a great man-manager. I still haven't figured out whether Zidane is just a better version of Kevin Keegan or De Matteo? The kind of bloke who motivates on club status?

If we want a motivator and someone with a status, then why would not look further than our own king? King Eric!

On this logic, I feel Jardim, Howe or Poch have more depth and clear philosophies which would suit Man Utd to a tee.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
I'm sure Klopp got Mainz relegated before he went to BVB
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Yeah and got offered the Bayern job while being in division 2. Can you imagine Bayern fecking Munich giving the job to a freaking division 2 manager??

If the man is right it's not a question about too big or to small. You just splash the cash and let the football do the talking.
 
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johanovic said:
Saying Howe has to earn a reputation after doing this job the hard way for 10 years is laughable and an example of when people do not want to face facts. We missed a trick by not getting Klopp from Dortmund but I firmly belief that Howe will be a great manager for what ever team he takes next.
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I have disagree with this. Woodward approached Klopp but Klopp refused us. Later he went to freaking Liverpool. I used to like the guy but now I cannot say anything good to him. He branded himself as Manchester United's public enemy after refusing to join us only for joining Liverpool later.
 
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Wayne's World said:
I made this thread in the hope that people would agree with me on appointing Eddie Howe and I still stick to what I say. His football style he's brought to Bournemouth is really impressive. He's one of those managers that If he was German or Spanish we would be raving about him.

I'd love for us to give him a shout. We have nothing to lose right now and I don't see him being Moyes. He's a modern day manager with a style of football that would get the best out of better players too
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Same here. I think he's definitely worth considering. Of course you'd have to go through due process, interview him to try and figure whether he's up to a much bigger task. But I think he could end up being a top manager someday.
 
tieunhilang said:
I have disagree with this. Woodward approached Klopp but Klopp refused us. Later he went to freaking Liverpool. I used to like the guy but now I cannot say anything good to him. He branded himself as Manchester United's public enemy after refusing to join us only for joining Liverpool later.
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I'll have to disagree on this one. We did approach him but at that time he was still in the middle of the season with Dortmund and couldn't just leave them like that.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...despite-chance-succeed-Sir-Alex-Ferguson.html
After he left Dortmund we had the chance to get him and I believe we would have gotten him if it weren't for Ed messing up and waiting too long to sack LvG and spouting nonsense like we are Disneyland for adults...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Jurgen-Klopp-dreamed-managing-Man-United.html

I aswell was a big admirer of him before and felt we did a big mistake letting the scousers get him.
 
I think he’d be a good appointment but it’s another total rebuild and it’s going to take a few seasons to get us back near the top consistently. Would he be given that much time by the idiots above him?Are we even really looking at him? Would the fans give him the time? We will probably cock this up anyway whoever we end up hiring. I really hope we don’t go for conte or someone like that. I’d like us to show some imagination and future planning but that has been noticeably absent at our club post Fergie.

Going forward we need some positive vibes here. Sell some players who’ve failed or don’t want to be here and ease the wage bill. Then Get some better players. I would go all in for De Ligt and De jong, Neves, Sancho, pellegrini and
Sessegnon. I think they could play really good football together with good coaching. They are all gettable signings for United with any manager in charge despite the doom and gloom. De jong probably not as he has his choice of clubs but we can pay more than anyone if we really believe in him and he fancies playing the PL.

Howe could bring stability, fresh coaching ideas and energy. Hopefully much less drama and negativity. To compliment this We also really need some leadership on the pitch wherever it comes from. Nobody is taking the game by the scruff of the neck or doing the unexpected anymore. Way too many nice guys and no ruthless streak, I hope the new manager has some solution to that. We are going to have to buy a captain soon it seems. Our youth setup seems to have hit a sweet spot again and I hope the new manager will develop these players as he builds. I also think Howe would probably tick that box.
 
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Bojan11 said:
I don’t buy it too. I just see Howe similar to Brenton.

Yeah he’s done a great job at Bournemouth. But I’d like to see him do it another club before saying he’s the right man for the job. He should have moved to Everton or Leicester.

I rather go for Jardim if it was a choice of them two.
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I would love to see Howe at Leicester but I can't see him leaving Bournemouth for just any club. I think it would have to be a big club capable of big things.
He would do well at United.
 
Vadim said:
Well, someone who hasn’t just managed fecking AFC Bournemouth would be a start. You should have some CL experience at least before you manage us.

I’m all for an adventurous appointment. But the risk involved in Edward Howe, well, my ass would be going. Would I take him over Jose right now though? Yes.
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CL experience is exaggerated and overrated. What difference does it make, what is the benefits of appointing a manager with some?
 
He's an open question in terms of having the temperament for a big club. But he should be a definite option for top 6 clubs.

United's obsession with only ever going for players and managers with CVs so stacked that there is hardly any room left to add more is exactly why they are in this predicament. All the other top clubs around Europe are comfortable making "risky" appointments with managers they believe have the talent for it and have won plenty doing so
 
MouChou said:
Yeah and got offered the Bayern job while being in division 2. Can you imagine Bayern fecking Munich giving the job to a freaking division 2 manager??

If the man is right it's not a question about too big or to small. You just splash the cash and let the football do the talking.
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Exactly - I agree
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Bit like Moyes.

Another point is that Howe has utterly zero CL experience - he's literally never managed a single CL game in his career...

I'm genuinely stunned that a good number of United fans would actively welcome the Glazers giving Eddie Howe a contract managing United.

As I was with Moyes.
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A fairer comparison for Howe would be the up and coming Moyes around 2006 (but with good football). By the time we hired Moyes in 2013, it was very clear that he was not the next big thing.

I agree it is a gamble though, particularly with United’s dysfunctional structure. I’d rather find a happy medium somewhere between taking a big punt on Howe and hiring another “safe pair of hands” has been.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
Managers earning a reputation first has done absolutely feck all for us so far. We've failed miserably with experienced managers. Why do we have so many fans who are insistent on us doing the same thing over and over and repeating past mistakes?
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Why do you want us to repeat the same mistake as Moyes ?
 
I'm slowly leaning towards Howe. I like how he conducts himself. Seems a classy guy.

 
I could get behind Howe if we appointed a good DOF at the same time
 
Comparing him to Moyes is lazy - like night and day between them. Even character wise they're nothing alike.
 
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