So Brad has gone and the race is on to take his place!

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MacMUFC said:
He shouldnt have been banned simply because he was a great poster and didnt do anything way out of line. Perhaps some of his infractions were unwarranted...but lets not open that can of worms.

With that said, as good he was, I dont think you have to write a eulogy about the guy.
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I had a look at them, but for one that I couldn't see they all looked pretty fair. You can only berate posters, mods and admins with so much profanity before you get infracted.

He'd have gone sooner but one of his earlier ones was reversed.
 
Parting thoughts from the Drama Llama - commemorative GIANT MERGED thread

Well, seeing he's gone, I'd like to post the post he intended to be his last on here.

Having made the decision earlier today to cease posting on the Caf, I considered sloping off silently into the night sky... but on reflection, and in recognition of having been voted Caf Drama Queen three years running, you gotta give the people what they want, right? So here goes...

First off, I've reposted my blog article, having spent the time writing it now, might as well be published on here. There's no discussion page for it, if you want to leave a comment about it, randomly dump it in the 'Turn the Caf green and gold' thread ta. You'll find some other comments about the blog randomly interspersed within a similarly themed but entirely different topic. I hope it's a good read, and helps to further galvanise the momentum gathering campaign. Hopefully one day, we'll get our club back, and not have to worry about our kids even having a team to support or not

Posters I'll miss. Frankly, the majority of folk I really like on here have either left, or post elsewhere anyway, so no need to address them. There are exceptions. Pogue, class act, I hope to randomly share a beer with you at some point, you live around my neck of the woods anyway. Rubberman, you more than anyone encapsulate this place, don't you (or Kemo) ever change. Mockney, breath of fresh air this last year, don't 'do a Pogue' your second year! Jasonrh, we've had some banter. Mostly in good spirit, sometimes not. Hope your health improves, and maybe one day you get to make it to OT. I'll be there to give you the guided tour. Scandi's, been good chatting with you folk, helped me out plenty as I've shifted across Europe. Poker players, hopefully Nome or Mabs will get off their arses and still set up the monthly tournies, January's was a big success. If they send me the password I'll still be up for games. Sultan. Legend. Thanks for promoting me in the first place! Hope to see you posting a little more often elsewhere. There are others too, you know who you are

Posters I won't miss. FeedingSeagulls, you can come out of hiding now. You ripped an unemployed person off £30 odd quid, well done. Wibble, Bury Red, Marching... I'm not actually classless enough to go off on a rant about you, but needless to say, whatever you think of me, the feelings more than mutual. You are the main reason I'm leaving, I'm sure that'll warm your hearts. Weaste... wrong section. Good luck mate. And start getting behind the green and gold campaign instead of sneering at it. People are trying to make a difference, and trying to do so in the most effective manner available at the present time. Anyone else who suspects I don't like them... you're probably wrong, there weren't too many folk I genuinely crossed swords with on here

Finally. Niall, it's a fine site, and I wish you and your lovely partner every success in the future

If that wasn't befitting the parting drama queen, I apologise, I must be losing my touch. Nani Nana is my protege, vote for him next December...

Ooh Aah Cantona
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Great lad, good luck in your endeavours. Keep in touch through CantonaWife
 
golden_blunder said:
oh come on Nomers, you talk to him on RR as do probably most of the guys he's met up with

Bigger posters than Brad have come and gone, and the place carries on

FWIW, Brad and I had our run-ins but i didn't mind the chap as long as he stuck to football. I know he likes Kevin Costner but his whole Robin Hood act of trying to argue back over the smallest of things gets very irritating. Also FWIW, you cant go around for several years calling an Admin a cnut in every conversation and expect to hang around forever. It takes 15 infraction points to get a perm ban, a difficult feat, but i'm sure Brad can now proudly say he did it
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I know that Geebs, but he's a mate and a great Caf poster and at the end of the day it's the various personalities on here that make the place what it is, so we'll all be missing out.

Can't blame a guy for sticking up for mate.
 
He better finally have realised I was Danish and jammed me in with the "Scandis", otherwise I'm going to take back my "keep him" vote which will make him extra banned.
 
Brad was a good poster in the United and football forums IMO. Generally liked his posts.

His constant need to challenge every single modmin decision was probably an annoyance I can imagine. I can see Mockney is going down a similar path so in answer to the thread's title I nominate Mockney as the new black Brad.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Brad was a good poster in the United and football forums IMO. Generally liked his posts.

His constant need to challenge every single modmin decision was probably an annoyance I can imagine. I can see Mockney is going down a similar path so in answer to the thread's title I nominate Mockney as the new black Brad.
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We have a winner.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Brad was a good poster in the United and football forums IMO. Generally liked his posts.

His constant need to challenge every single modmin decision was probably an annoyance I can imagine. I can see Mockney is going down a similar path so in answer to the thread's title I nominate Mockney as the new black Brad.
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Mockney's black? Wow that changes my view of him!


As for Brad, it's a sad moment. In my dealings with him, he's been nothing but a genuinely nice bloke who would help and pay interest in anyone. However he has brought this on himself, if he had just learned to pick his battles rather than trying to fight all causes, he'd still be here. This site is definitely following the PC crowd more and more, but the mods and admins deserve respect for their efforts and work, regardless of whether or not you agree with some of the decisions.
 
Redlambs said:
Mockney's black? Wow that changes my view of him!


As for Brad, it's a sad moment. In my dealings with him, he's been nothing but a genuinely nice bloke who would help and pay interest in anyone. However he has brought this on himself, if he had just learned to pick his battles rather than trying to fight all causes, he'd still be here. This site is definitely following the PC crowd more and more, but the mods and admins deserve respect for their efforts and work, regardless of whether or not you agree with some of the decisions.
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As you say, he brought it on himself.
 
moses said:
You are right, but this conversataion has been going on for over a year now. The final infraction was then one that prompted the discussion among the admins, not the one that got him permed. He was permed for constantly needing modding and not really being happy with the way it was run nd never ceasing to tell the mods. You may feel that he was slapped down for dissent, but the forum is more for the silent happy majority than one unhappy poster.

He had pages of infractions, enough for a few perm bans if he wasn't such a good contributor to the forum. Those contributions are well ackowledged by the mods and the forum does suffer as a result, but not enough for the moderation of the site to be held to ransom over is my interpretation.
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If you acknowledge that then it seems like a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face - I would have thought that the most important thing was the Caf and quality of the forums.

My main gripe is that accumulation of X number of infraction points does not seem a good reason to permaban long time posters - I didnt even know there was such a thing as permanent infractions until now, I had always assumed they expired after a certain period of time.
If Brad had done something major that was worthy of a permaban then fair enough, but all this petty name calling is hardly a big deal - half of it is just toungue in cheek to play upto the Drama Queen label that the Caf gave him anyway.

Did it have to be all or nothing anyway?
Most seem to agree that Brad is a valued poster in the football forums and all the problems were in the General, so why not just ban from the General? Seen this type of thing done successfully with other posters before.
 
T2000 said:
Anyone who has been here a long time or has made as many decent posts as brad does is bound to say something that isnt going to please everyone. The way i see it is that he made alot of bloody brilliant posts compared to the ones that he shouldn't of done.

His posts are long and he has gone out of his way to write them. He's not like the other percentage of people on here who get 15,000 post within a year due to just posting a smiley or a 'lol' comment.
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Nobody said otherwise, but he's fecking hard work and has been asked to not do certain things over and over and over again. But he ignores these requests. It's not as if he didn't have a choice in the matter, he did, multiple multiple times!
 
Rood said:
If you acknowledge that then it seems like a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face - I would have thought that the most important thing was the Caf and quality of the forums.

My main gripe is that accumulation of X number of infraction points does not seem a good reason to permaban long time posters - I didnt even know there was such a thing as permanent infractions until now, I had always assumed they expired after a certain period of time.
If Brad had done something major that was worthy of a permaban then fair enough, but all this petty name calling is hardly a big deal - half of it is just toungue in cheek to play upto the Drama Queen label that the Caf gave him anyway.

Did it have to be all or nothing anyway?
Most seem to agree that Brad is a valued poster in the football forums and all the problems were in the General, so why not just ban from the General? Seen this type of thing done successfully with other posters before.
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Its not hard to be a poster here. Just post, don't break the rules, and don't disrupt the moderation of the site; oh and don't repeatedly call the Admins cnuts. Brad was pretty good at the former, but not at the latter three.
 
Rood said:
If you acknowledge that then it seems like a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face - I would have thought that the most important thing was the Caf and quality of the forums.

My main gripe is that accumulation of X number of infraction points does not seem a good reason to permaban long time posters - I didnt even know there was such a thing as permanent infractions until now, I had always assumed they expired after a certain period of time.
If Brad had done something major that was worthy of a permaban then fair enough, but all this petty name calling is hardly a big deal - half of it is just toungue in cheek to play upto the Drama Queen label that the Caf gave him anyway.

Did it have to be all or nothing anyway?
Most seem to agree that Brad is a valued poster in the football forums and all the problems were in the General, so why not just ban from the General? Seen this type of thing done successfully with other posters before.
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The bit you highlighted was half the point. And thus you are basically arguing that if you contribute positively to any part of the forum then any negativity should be ignored. That wouldn't be what's best for the caf and the quality of the forums surely? The caf suffers when the mods are being led a repetitive merry and sometimes not so merry dance because of one constantly disgruntled poster. It's all about the ones that are silently enjoying the boards.

The fourm is as it is, there are numerous forum on the net that would piss me off, so rather than convince them to bend to my will I just post here instead.

And why are you still ignoring the explanation that it was cumilative and not anything major?
 
moses said:
The bit you highlighted was half the point. And thus you are basically arguing that if you contribute positively to any part of the forum then any negativity should be ignored. That wouldn't be what's best for the caf and the quality of the forums surely?

And why are you still ignoring the explanation that it was cumilative and not anything major?
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Well I never said that any negativity should be ignored - more I would say that if you have contributed positively and for a long time, then some negativity should be ignored - there does seem to be general agreement on this as we are repeatedly told that Brad was given leeway. I guess the disagreement is over how much he should be given and where the line should be drawn - obviously I think it has been drawn too quickly

Not ignoring the explanatation - just dont think that the policy of cumulative infractions leading to a permaban for a long time posters is a good one.

Personally I would say what was best for the Caf was letting a poster who contributed positively to Football Forums remain there, if there is negativity elsewhere then perhaps exclude from those sections.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Nobody said otherwise, but he's fecking hard work and has been asked to not do certain things over and over and over again. But he ignores these requests. It's not as if he didn't have a choice in the matter, he did, multiple multiple times!
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Fair point. I dont know what he said or did tbh. I just miss his posts on here. If what he said was way over the top and it kept pissing off the admins well then he only has himself to blame.
 
Rood said:
Well I never said that any negativity should be ignored - more I would say that if you have contributed positively and for a long time, then some negativity should be ignored - there does seem to be general agreement on this as we are repeatedly told that Brad was given leeway. I guess the disagreement is over how much he should be given and where the line should be drawn - obviously I think it has been drawn too quickly
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all fair enough

Rood said:
Not ignoring the explanatation - just dont think that the policy of cumulative infractions leading to a permaban for a long time posters is a good one.
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Maybe, but it is monitored and rarely allowed to go that far without a poster just being manually canned. And I can't think of a better way, because even at that , the total being reached, it is discussed further.

Rood said:
Personally I would say what was best for the Caf was letting a poster who contributed positively to Football Forums remain there, if there is negativity elsewhere then perhaps exclude from those sections.
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Maybe that would have worked, but then we are getting to the realms of kindergarten. Not letting certain kids play certain games because they won't do what they are asked for the good of the forum, to use your phrase. He's a grown man, who needed constant asking to stop, surely that should be enough? You think he'd just say OK and suddenly not do what he has done since he joined? How many chances or admins changes should have been made to keep his football posts? He was passionate and articulate but not exactly a visionary. My point being that few of us are.

Personally I think his real loss is as a matchgoer and someone who sourced tickets for the lads on the forum. Nobody on the forum could wholly dislike Brad if they took a step back IMO.
 
Brad was despised by less posters than the majority of us

sadly, that small number chiefly consisted in moderators and administrators

rip in peace
 
Everyone on here is the most serious person in the world these days. That's what's taking the fun out of it for me.

If it's not bitching about bannings, it'll be some cnut getting their ego in a knot over a pointless football debate, or some other cnut dragging their weird glazer/fanboi/political agendas into discussions they have nothing to do with.

Just stop being a bunch of uptight wankers and talk about football, you gimps

I'm not sure what this has to do with Brad
 
That'd still be slightly less disturbing than the two pictures I've seen you post of yourself.
 
moses said:
Maybe that would have worked, but then we are getting to the realms of kindergarten. Not letting certain kids play certain games because they won't do what they are asked for the good of the forum, to use your phrase. He's a grown man, who needed constant asking to stop, surely that should be enough? You think he'd just say OK and suddenly not do what he has done since he joined? How many chances or admins changes should have been made to keep his football posts? He was passionate and articulate but not exactly a visionary. My point being that few of us are.

Personally I think his real loss is as a matchgoer and someone who sourced tickets for the lads on the forum. Nobody on the forum could wholly dislike Brad if they took a step back IMO.
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Well this isnt the real world is it? This is Cafdom - it would be a blander place if all the internet gayness was wiped out!
If acting like a reasonable grown man was a prerequisite for being a member then it looks like quite a few have slipped through the net :wenger:

Agree completely with your last comments.
When i was talking about positive contribution to the football forums then the matchgoing and ticketing side is a big part of it - will be a shame to lose that due to a few petty disagreements.
 
Rood said:
If acting like a reasonable grown man was a prerequisite for being a member then it looks like quite a few have slipped through the net.
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As someone said above it's choosing your battles ... or when to behave like a child if that's the metaphor we are going with.


Rood said:
When i was talking about positive contribution to the football forums then the matchgoing and ticketing side is a big part of it - will be a shame to lose that due to constant and needless petty disagreements.
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Bit more accurate now?


edit - I'm just shooting the breeze here, feck all I can do except offer a different perspective.
 
moses said:
As someone said above it's choosing your battles ... or when to behave like a child if that's the metaphor we are going with.




Bit more accurate now?


edit - I'm just shooting the breeze here, feck all I can do except offer a different perspective.
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Your edit doesnt really make any difference to the general point being made, permaban from all forums seems overly harsh in the circumstances - I have seen several posters being banned from certain parts of the caf so it wouldnt be a first, and I think it could have been a solution for the good of the forum

Anyway I've said my bit and made my point, I havent heard anything which convinces me otherwise - whether it makes any difference I dont know, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
 
Rood said:
Your edit doesnt really make any difference to the general point being made, permaban from all forums seems overly harsh in the circumstances - I have seen several posters being banned from certain parts of the caf so it wouldnt be a first, and I think it could have been a solution for the good of the forum

Anyway I've said my bit and made my point, I havent heard anything which convinces me otherwise - whether it makes any difference I dont know, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
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Aye, just two ways of seeing the same thing I suppose.
 
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