Fair enough, I don't think he's exactly like them either, but players like them and silva/ozil etc for me wouldn't be comfortable in a 442. Some players can make the transition, some can't. Maybe Sneijder could have, and possibly when he's older he'll play deeper, but for the money that we'd be spending and the wages etc I wouldn't want to sign a player who might adapt to that role, I'd want to sign someone who can slot right in. Or if I were trying to take on a project, then I would hope they were fairly young. But sneijder is in his prime, has only played central midfield sporadically (and to me looks far happier in an advanced position), and from what I can tell and doesn't seem to have the work rate needed to make this sort of transition. Added to that with Clev and Ando already I don't think we need a project, I think we need someone who can come in now and do a job in that position.
Sneijder or Modric?
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Fair enough, I don't think he's exactly like them either, but players like them and silva/ozil etc for me wouldn't be comfortable in a 442. Some players can make the transition, some can't. Maybe Sneijder could have, and possibly when he's older he'll play deeper, but for the money that we'd be spending and the wages etc I wouldn't want to sign a player who might adapt to that role, I'd want to sign someone who can slot right in. Or if I were trying to take on a project, then I would hope they were fairly young. But sneijder is in his prime, has only played central midfield sporadically (and to me looks far happier in an advanced position), and from what I can tell and doesn't seem to have the work rate needed to make this sort of transition. Added to that with Clev and Ando already I don't think we need a project, I think we need someone who can come in now and do a job in that position.
I'm pretty sure Chelsea offered around that region this summer and they denied it. It seems to me Levy does not want to sell to them. If you apply the same logic if City and Chelsea wanted to buy a player from us, in all actuality, it'd probably be neither but I'd see us selling to Chelsea if we had to make a choice.
It also comes down to wages. I can guarantee you that. I'm not familiar with Chelsea's wage structure but I'd bet it'd be a pretty close race between the two of us.
We don't need a midfielder for goals we need a midfielder for the playmaking ability and Modric fits the bill perfectly.
I don't think Levy wanted to sell at all, I don't think it was just about chelsea. He might not have been happy with them but he can't exactly be on great terms with us either. Like I said if they are going to sell to a club within the league then I think they'd just take the money. Whoever they sell to, they're going to be weakening their team anyway.
Sure if we had to chose between selling to City or Chelsea I'd chose Chelsea, but if City offered more I'd sell to them, again at the end of the day we're weakening our own team anyway and if we're not selling abroad then I'd just take as much cash as I could.
Wages would play a big role. I reckon though Modric wouldn't go nuts and ask for 180k or anything. He'd want around a 100K I'm sure but considering he's on 40k or so atm I think he'd be more reasonable than other players. Tbh he'll get big money wherever, I think the biggest issues will be transfer fees as I can't see Fergie being willing to spend in the 40m range which seems to be wants needed. And I actually think Modric would want to stay in london if given the choice.
Do you remember the goal he had against liverpool this season? I guess you dont. He's got it in his locker.
It's like when I'm talking with my boys about looking to pull a chick. You got to look at the game film and not just the highlights. I know he wasn't great today but I can assure you the boy can shoot.
He may want to do so but considering where both teams of interest are going at the moment, I'd be a bit surprised.
Now we're going into speculation. All we know from this past summer is that Levy had no intention to sell Modric to Chelsea. As you say, Modric wont demand too high of wages which may indeed come down to transfer fees. Then, it's back to the demands from the player and his agent. That's where it all gets convoluted. It's a bit hard to say but my point is, I think we have a good chance of signing him. He may say he wants to stay in London but I know which club I'd choose based on the current situation of each.
Another way to beat out a higher transfer fee is if we can supposedly secure a deal before Chelsea can. Time to put that relationship with Redknapp to good use Frogie
I don't know why, but as much as I've followed Sneidjer and Modric, Sneijder definitely has a better shot, better distribution and better vision...
Modric probably has got more stamina and has already adapted really well to the PL, but if you would want to pick a player I mean with out any circumstances, I'd always pick Sneijder for his setplays, his irresistible long shots and his vision.
As much as I love Modric, I do think Sneijder is a tincy bit better...
Now debating whether he'd fit in a United team is anyone's guess after that for me.
Modric probably has got more stamina and has already adapted really well to the PL, but if you would want to pick a player I mean with out any circumstances, I'd always pick Sneijder for his setplays, his irresistible long shots and his vision.
As much as I love Modric, I do think Sneijder is a tincy bit better...
Now debating whether he'd fit in a United team is anyone's guess after that for me.
He may want to do so but considering where both teams of interest are going at the moment, I'd be a bit surprised.
Now we're going into speculation. All we know from this past summer is that Levy had no intention to sell Modric to Chelsea. As you say, Modric wont demand too high of wages which may indeed come down to transfer fees. Then, it's back to the demands from the player and his agent. That's where it all gets convoluted. It's a bit hard to say but my point is, I think we have a good chance of signing him. He may say he wants to stay in London but I know which club I'd choose based on the current situation of each.
Another way to beat out a higher transfer fee is if we can supposedly secure a deal before Chelsea can. Time to put that relationship with Redknapp to good use Frogie
Oh yeah I'm not saying we can't sign him I just reckon that if it gets to a situation where Spurs become inclined to sell for whatever reason, that they'll open up the bidding to as many clubs as they can and if they do that and the likes of Chelsea and City, who I think would be very keen on Modric if he was available, join in then I'd be surprised if we managed to sign him. Modric hasn't made any hints that he particularly wants to play for us and that's another problem. Modric isn't in a position to make any demands at spurs, he's got ages on his contract, so he can't say he'd only move to x team. If he wants CL football he'll have to go where Spurs accept the bid from and as I said I reckon a lot of teams will be interested and I'm not sure if we'll be willing to match them for transfer fees.
What? I've watched Modric a lot, and my Spurs supporting buddies take the piss out of him the same way we do Anderson.
Ando also "has it in his locker", but let's not kid ourselves, he's generally piss poor in front of goal, as is Modric.
Disclaimer: I think Modric is superb and would be a sensational buy for us, but let's not hide his faults, he does have 1 or 2.
I think this is a very tough one. Sneijder, when he performs is quite clearly the better player. I don't think that part can even be up for dispute. Despite that, they play different roles. Sneijder plays in a role where we're not really looking to buy players for. Modric plays in a role that we really do need to strengthen. Sneijder could adjust his game to fit into a central midfield role, however we need a player who plays there right now, not a player who needs to adapt to play in that role.
I don't really want either player at the club, but Sneijder is the better player. Modric, for me, is a bit of a jack of all trades and master of none. I don't think he's outsatnding in any aspect of midfield play, very good, but not outstanding. He's also a bit lightweight and easy to knock off the ball.
People say we are missing a Scholes type player, others say we are missing a Roy Keane type player. Modric has neither the same creativity or vision as Scholes or the ball winning, never say die attitude of Keane.
Sneijder on the other hand could very well replace the creativity/vision of a Shcoles type player.
Tbh though, I'd like to stick with what we've got. Carrick/Jones and Anderson/Cleverley are two combinations that have been brilliant for us this season. Sneijder wouldn't fit into any of those roles and Modric is no better than what we've got.
People say we are missing a Scholes type player, others say we are missing a Roy Keane type player. Modric has neither the same creativity or vision as Scholes or the ball winning, never say die attitude of Keane.
Sneijder on the other hand could very well replace the creativity/vision of a Shcoles type player.
Tbh though, I'd like to stick with what we've got. Carrick/Jones and Anderson/Cleverley are two combinations that have been brilliant for us this season. Sneijder wouldn't fit into any of those roles and Modric is no better than what we've got.
I'm right there with you sir. In fact a midfield duo of Ando and Modric sounds ace!
Here's to a future partnership. Rise of the Andric!
Good points. Feels good to argue again Ash
Modric and Sneijder are not the same kind of midfielder. And you're not getting Modric either.
Modric and Sneijder are not the same kind of midfielder. And you're not getting Modric either.
Yeah I think that's just about been covered.
Lol cheers, same to you. Yeah it's been a while now!
I'd love to sign Modric, he's perfect for us, just can't see it happening. Under different circumstances maybe but as it is now with so many clubs needing that sort of player and him having such a long time on his contract we'd really have to pull something out of the bag. Only thing I can think of is if we have a player that we'd be willing to give spurs that they'd want as a make way in any deal.
Ah sorry, didn't bother reading through the whole thread. Carry on then.
Definitely Modric, not because of anything wrong with Sneijder.
We could always give them Gibson! Would be a great foil for Parker.
Hmm... I'm not a fan of his and don't think he's all that, but I'll take the younger player (only by a year though) who's already proven in the Premiership. But not at no 40m price tag. Nothing north of 30m IMO, or it's just pissing money away again.
Modric and Sneijder are not the same kind of midfielder. And you're not getting Modric either.
Probably true. Chelsea will sign him.
Why, you thinking of putting up Rooney or Nani for sale soon?
Stump up the 50 million and convince Levy to break a 4 year contract and he is their player.
Why, you thinking of putting up Rooney or Nani for sale soon?
Stump up the 50 million and convince Levy to break a 4 year contract and he is their player.
you gotta be kidding
50 million for Modric ??
And only a club like Chelsea or City would be foolish enough to pay double what he's worth.
you gotta be kidding
50 million for Modric ??
Of course he's not kidding, that was proven over the summer.
Chelsea offered what? 36m or something, and Spurs rejected.
He might not "worth" 50m, but that's what he'd cost at this time.
Kidding about what? He's not worth 50 million but then again, Berbatov wasn't worth 30 million either. We don't want to sell him, we will still have him on a long term contract even at the end of this season and if we're in the CL at the end of the season, have absolutely no financial reason to sell. He's proven that he's willing to play just as well even if we refuse his move.
We still hold the cards.
We still hold the cards.
Yeah they'd love him, throw in Diouf and Bebe though as well, should be fine...
Why, you thinking of putting up Rooney or Nani for sale soon?
Nah, but I'm sure we have a few other non essential players you guys wouldn't mind adding to the squad.
Exactly ! Invite him for a trial ( few friendly games) I don't even think he is worth 25 mill .
Considering we spent 16.5 million on him a few seasons ago and he has since become one of the best midfielders in the league, you think his value has increased by less than 10 million? Especially in the current market?
Even with the shit striking options behind Adebayor, we have thankfully moved on from the dark days when acquiring the likes of Frazier Campbell is necessary.
africanspur, I find that Modric been vastly overrated by quite a few people and thus his value has been inflated superfluously. And Levy gets a boner any time clubs come knocking at his feeder club doorstep asking for this player or that player and he sets a ridiculous fee. It's a massive inferiority complex.
Even with the shit striking options behind Adebayor, we have thankfully moved on from the dark days when acquiring the likes of Frazier Campbell is necessary.
No doubt but I'm sure if we offered someone like Berba/Park/Valencia/Ferdinand etc, you wouldn't mind taking one of them. Some like Valencia/Park might play every game others like Ferdinand/Berba might not, but they're quality experienced players who'd be good additions. I'm not saying it will happen but just that we might have a few players that Spurs would be interested in taking if you decided to sell Modric.
africanspur, I find that Modric been vastly overrated by quite a few people and thus his value has been inflated superfluously. And Levy gets a boner any time clubs come knocking at his feeder club doorstep asking for this player or that player and he sets a ridiculous fee. It's a massive inferiority complex.
He's the best central midfielder in the league and tbh I can't think of many better central midfielders in the world. There might be better attacking midfielders or defensive midfielders out there but as a pure central midfielder I can't think of many better than him so in todays game with transfer fees as they are you can understand why Spurs want around 40mil for him. Especially as quality central midfielders of his type are so rare at the moment.
Fair enough. If you actually watch him for a prolonged period of time and live, I think you'd change your mind though. His fellow professionals and managers (including your own) absolutely rave about him and with good reason.
feck me, how big was your complex when Real came knocking for Ronaldo then?
I'm sorry though, we'll make sure to lay down like a good club next time and drop our shorts for moneybags clubs.
feck me, how big was your complex when Real came knocking for Ronaldo then?
I'm sorry though, we'll make sure to lay down like a good club next time and drop our shorts for moneybags clubs.
United have never been a selling club, only in extreme circumstances (i.e. the player becoming bigger than the club (in his own head)). But fair play.
All good players who would do a great job for the squad without doubt. You have many such players in your squad. Berbatov has burnt his bridges though, Levy won't have him back. We can't afford Ferdinand's wages and we already have King and Gallas as defenders who we can't rely on every match.
And Valencia and Park are very good players imo but I don't think either are necessarily guaranteed starters and aren't important enough players to warrant including in a swap deal. One of the reasons I thought a deal with Chelsea might have been done last summer and maybe next summer if we're not in the CL is because they have a ton of strikers and that is the position we require most. If we do sell him, I can see Levy going for a huge sum of money though or some money with a guaranteed starter.
I do love Park though tbf, one of my favourite non-Spurs players.
Fergie rates him very highly.
they just lost anelka doe
I dunno I can see Valencia/Park being attractive to you guys. Lennon can be lethal on his day but he still lacks that consistency, valencia is much more consistent and is such as asset defensively as well. Park isn't as strong attackingly but his industry helps to compensate for that. Also his ability to play anywhere across the attack would be an asset too. Both obviously have tonnes of experience.
Obviously i'm not suggesting a direct swap but roughly 30mil plus one of these players might be tempting to spurs.
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