Have you read the staggeringly long Sneijder thread? All arguments can be found there.
Sneijder or Modric?
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Have you read the staggeringly long Sneijder thread? All arguments can be found there.
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Hmm.. alright then.
Still.. Do not want
Still.. Do not want
Wesley has more natural talent, but would always be a better fit for us i reckon. We'll get neither. Hopefully clevers will come back injury free for the rest of the season.
There really is no "FAR" in it. I understand the preference of course but still... "far better".
hmm Yeah I know what you mean Sharky, and maybe it because we have more exposure of Modric here, but I honestly feel that Wes is very overated- he is a good player dont get me wrong, but for the fees being banded about I wouldn't say he was better than Modric or VAn Der Vaart.
Im concerned about Wes injury record. We can do without another injury prone player
Modric
i agree devilish. we already have enough injury troubles. i think modric is more effective in a 4-4-2 anyway. He definitely has more work-rate
Modric. Would be a great partner for Carrick and can also play in a three man midfield with either Clev, Giggs or Anderson.
Sneijder is a top player but not sure what Fergie exactly had in mind for him this summer as he's not ideal for a midfield two. At a guess, playing the role Rooney normally does with Rooney the lone front man. Still would take him any day of the week as class is class.
Sneijder is a top player but not sure what Fergie exactly had in mind for him this summer as he's not ideal for a midfield two. At a guess, playing the role Rooney normally does with Rooney the lone front man. Still would take him any day of the week as class is class.
Sneijder
Modric every day of the week and twice on Sunday. He would be tailor-made for our team. Of a dying breed of midfielders who works almost equally well both ways of the play, and thrives in a midfield two.
Sneijder is a more lethal player in the final third, but Modric is overall a better player in my opinion, and a far better fit for us.
We'll never get Modric mind, and I don't think we'll get Sneijder either.
Sneijder is a more lethal player in the final third, but Modric is overall a better player in my opinion, and a far better fit for us.
We'll never get Modric mind, and I don't think we'll get Sneijder either.
I think we have a chance of getting modric. Depends if he decides to sign a new contract. It was offered to him in september and he has yet to commit to it. I didn know this but tottenham have a pretty tight wage structure.
If Spurs get into the Champions League, which I expect them to, I simply can't see him leaving at all. He'll have four more seasons left on his contract after this season, which basically means that they can afford to keep him another two without him signing a new one.
Plus I don't expect he'll kick up much fuss about it either, as long as they reclaim a top four spot. He's already made it clear that he fancies London, as that was the main reason his first choice was Chelsea among the title challengers.
It would take a mastersrtoke of tapping a player up to sign Modric in the current circumastances Spurs do not need/ want and won't sell. And Modric did want to leave in the summer and we know how well it went.
Well I meant more in terms of who would be better for us. In terms of who's more attainable then Sneijder does seem easier to get, certainly for january. However I'm not sure if we particularly need him. If he were to come I reckon he'd play most games wide left and having signed Young, who albeit is an inferior player and hasn't started great, was still a bit outlay and needs more time. Sneijder wouldn't come and play in a two man midfield and I don't think we're looking to play 433 on a regular basis, considering the strikers we have. Having said that if he was available at a good price and with reasonable wages it'd be worth a go.
For the january window though I'd hope if we're doing any business that we bring in a centre mid/defender first, preferably someone with experience. I think we have enough fire-power to compete for the league right now, but we could find ourselves in a tricky situation if our injuries continue. We won't always be able to get away with playing non-defenders at the back, so bringing in someone to boost the numbers is a more pressing matter for me then bringing in sneijder this window.
I reckon the issue with signing Modric will be that the likes of Chelsea and probably City will all be interested if it comes out he's available, considering he could fit into those teams and ours without needing to change. A bidding war will probably not go that well for us. On top of that I think he may want to stay in London if he gets the choice. I'd love to get him but I'd be surprised if we managed it.
Why's that? He done that plenty of times before in his career.
And... you do realize people made the same argument about Modric before he was moved inside at Spurs? And people made the same argument about Cleverley too, just a few months back?
Well of course. But i'm realizing this whole player business is coming more and more down to wages. That's the only reason we didn't get Nasri. That's why it's so hard to compete with City. Their wage bill is astronomical. How can you compete with that?
You make a good point in terms of making the top four but how many players have actually fulfilled their contract before leaving? Let alone the fact that we have a squad more capable of winning the CL than Spurs do. He tried to leave this summer and I wont be surprised if he tries to leave again.
I read the bit about London but I think it's really going to come down to wages. Players will say such things in the public arena but I'm sure it's a bit different when you get into the negotiations.
We'll see where this ends up. Tottenham aren't going to sell him to Chelsea. That's suicide.
Who started this 'midfield two' garbage?
I dont think Spurs will let him go to Chelsea. Levy showed that already. We've bought Berbatov and Carrick from them. What's to say we can't get Modric? He's a valuable player for them but every player has a price. City dont need modric.
I agree. Sneijder was brought up in Ajax, the home of total football. I'm sure he could handle a two man midfield. Let's also take into consideration that the way we play, we dont necessarily need 2 box-to-box midfielders although it is ideal. I think Sneijder would be a great buy but that modric would be an even better fit.
I have no idea, but the caf has taught me one thing.... only 8 players in the football World can play in a midfield 2.Not with much success from what I've seen. I don't reckon he could, maybe for the odd game here and there but not the majority of the time. Some players are different. Cleverley for example clearly has a great work ethic. Having said that he's still got a lot to learn about playing in central midfield. Look at Nani and Ronaldo, both played on the wing for us but Nani has always been much better at his defensive work then Ronaldo was. Some players are happier to get stuck in more than others and from what I've seen of sneijder whilst I don't doubt he's got the quality to play there I don't know if mentally he could the majority of games. Same with players like Kaka, Silva etc
So what have you seen Ash?
I thought most of his best games for Madrid came from that position.
I don't think Spurs will care who they really sell Modric too so long as they get top dollar for him. Carrick was a bit different as we were seemingly the only team in for him. True with Berba we managed to get him but I think what clubs can demand for players has changed a lot in these last few years so I don't think it'll be quite as simple. As for city, well with their more bold approach I reckon replacing Barry for Modric would be a great move for them.
Tbh not a whole lot, I saw bits of him playing some friendlies in a more central role and he didn't look that comfortable. I swear at Real he used to play attacking midfield? At least that's what I remember, he played in a few formations there though. I think I remember seeing him play a couple of games in a deeper role and again he didn't seem that comfortable. If as you say he played at his best there then I'm not sure why Real sold him, certainly for so cheap. Surely sneijder next to alonso with kaka/ozil ahead would have been great, provided sneijder could play there? I know he didn't want to leave Real. At the majority of his clubs and internationally he has played a much more forward position.
Like I said I don't doubt he has the ability to play there but I don't know if he has the mentality. Especially now when he's well formed as a player. With Modric/Cleverley/Scholes it was/is different as these were young players who could be moulded and as I said had that fight in them. Some players don't have the same fight and I think for older players it's harder to adapt anyway. I wouldn't break the bank for sneijder in the hopes that he might adapt. Had we gotten him before signing Young and played him wide, I would have loved it, assuming we didn't pay ott. If we could have signed him straight from Real a few years back and tried to change him, it might have been worth it, but for the type of money being asked for now I wouldn't spend it, in the hope that he can change and as I said I don't think he can anyway.
Plus as others have pointed out he does seem to have a problem with injuries, which isn't ideal, especially given we have Ando/Clev who seem quite injury prone too.
He did play in a good few formations, but for me he always looked best there when he played deeper and was more involved.
And let's not use Real's transfer strategy as evidence of anything
If Ryan Giggs can turn into a CM at 34, without ever having played there, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for Sneijder who has plenty of experience of the role.
It won't ever happen anyway and yes, the injuries would certainly be a worry.
And let's not use Real's transfer strategy as evidence of anything
If Ryan Giggs can turn into a CM at 34, without ever having played there, I'm sure it wouldn't be a problem for Sneijder who has plenty of experience of the role.
It won't ever happen anyway and yes, the injuries would certainly be a worry.
Modric for me..
People on here can forget about either Modric or Bale or any Spurs players if they make the Champions League come the end of the season
Yes they will. Look at where they are in the table. Why strengthen your rivals like that? We're not necessarily rivals with them except in chasing for the title but I cant see them strengthening a rival like that. We havent done that for city and they wont do it for us.
We have 5-6 midfielders with a better scoring threat than Modric has ever showed.. Including Fletcher, Gibson who maybe don't have a future with us but still.. Sneijder please if he's available..
Thought that too watching tonight, he really is piss poor in that department.
He did play in a good few formations, but for me he always looked best there when he played deeper and was more involved.
And let's not use Real's transfer strategy as evidence of anything
Fair enough, I thought and still think that he plays best in a much more advanced position with a lot less responsibilities. If he was younger and the fee more reasonable then I'd be up for trying to change him because although it would require work but it could be possible, but now that he's a bit older and seemingly an expensive player I wouldn't want to pay that much for a project. If we're spending that sort of money and at his age I'd expect him to come in and play at his best, but if he comes in to a two that won't happen.
Fair play about Reals transfer policy, but no one else seems to want to play him in a deeper role, I know for Holland he plays more attackingly and although I've not seen loads of Inter this season, from what i've heard he's playing an attacking role there too.
An old dog can be taught, in fact, when the player is good enough, it often just comes naturally.
I dunno I reckon if we came in with a 30mil offer and chelsea came in with a 40 mil offer they'd take the extra cash. It's a fair argument about chelsea being more direct rivals but tbh if they're going to sell him then there's not much point them thinking about rivals when they're going to sell their best player within the same league. If we were both offering the same amount then they'd probably pick us or city but otherwise I think they'd just sell to whoever offers the most.
An old dog can be taught, in fact, when the player is good enough, it often just comes naturally.
True but it's not always the case, also Giggs is another play who's always had that work rate and desire and not to mention the fact that whilst giggs can be superb their at times he can also be very wasteful. Do you think someone like Kaka or Ronaldinho etc could play centre mid?
It's obviously not his role. That's kinda ridiculous considering our midfielders aren't even tasked to be scorers like that. Although, it is a bonus. If he brings us up to another level, why would it matter that he's not a consistent goalscorer?
No, and I think that's where our disagreement lies. I don't think Sneijder is anything like these players.
Yes it's obviously not his role, but it doesn't excuse how piss poor he is when presented with an opportunity. He's worse than Anderson in front of goal.
25m and 130/wk wages.
Come crawling bitch.
Come crawling bitch.
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